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EXT is way to cosy with FLYBE thats the answer, no comp for WOW at NQY and PLY, and carefully chosen routes from BRS that EZY are not intrested in, WOW seem to have a good business plan and to go into an airport that is dominated by an airline that chooses similar routes that WOW would want to do would be daft, as you said it is a shame that they dont operate from EXT but what would be the point for them really, FLYBE have the monopoly in EXT and have made it very hard for any other airlines to go in there, FCA are obviously an exception because they are a completely different type of airline, BE and WOW are too similar.
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Watabench- spot on. You will not see WOW at EXT simply because the airport has sold it's soul to Flybe, and EXT will in time regret it- at the very least the sale price of EXT will reflect the Flybe monopoly effect, which was one of the major factors recently in trashing the bid from McQuarrie. At the time of the last attempted sale, Flybe withdrew their support for the deal at the last minute because they had not been able to re-negotiate their own long term deal.
Watch this space, but forget competition at EXT unless it is BIG, i.e Ryanair- forget EZY who are well esconsed up the road at BRS
Watch this space, but forget competition at EXT unless it is BIG, i.e Ryanair- forget EZY who are well esconsed up the road at BRS
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Cheers Dingo, No other carrier will come in with a proper programme until the airport has a new terminal and facilities to back it up, even FCA after a few years of winter dont want to come in during the summer with a programme, and EXT has offered them everything, No offence to EXT because deep down i think its a great little airport and people working there are some of the friendliest i've ever met and i work at BRS/CWL/EXT and even BHX now and again, its just an airline will not be attracted because of FLYBE and a lack of terminal space and facilities not only for the airline but for its pax as well - damn shame
Picture this......
The report on Plymouth tells us what everyone already new that unless the airport gets a decent runway extension it will become commercially unviable. As Exeter grows all the traffic would migrate there. If PLH did close what would this do to Air Southwest NQY-PLH-LGW service? If NQY-LGW did not stand on its own perhaps it would then have go NQY-EXT-LGW or NQY-BRS-LGW?
What if a NEW challenger started a real low cost service to London from NQY, either direct or via EXT and took on Ryanair ( hardly a major route for them) and Air Southwest ( backbone route and even BA made a profit on it) then suddenly the whole picture changes.
Since this is the Exeter thread the only thing is for sure it will continue to grow and thrive and is logically the airport for the South West and for now anyway Flybe is (probably) the airline.
The report on Plymouth tells us what everyone already new that unless the airport gets a decent runway extension it will become commercially unviable. As Exeter grows all the traffic would migrate there. If PLH did close what would this do to Air Southwest NQY-PLH-LGW service? If NQY-LGW did not stand on its own perhaps it would then have go NQY-EXT-LGW or NQY-BRS-LGW?
What if a NEW challenger started a real low cost service to London from NQY, either direct or via EXT and took on Ryanair ( hardly a major route for them) and Air Southwest ( backbone route and even BA made a profit on it) then suddenly the whole picture changes.
Since this is the Exeter thread the only thing is for sure it will continue to grow and thrive and is logically the airport for the South West and for now anyway Flybe is (probably) the airline.
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Originally Posted by Air Hop
With the loads that Eastern seem to have out of BRS I would have thought that perhaps a transit stop to include EXT could work for some destinations, or pehaps someone like Jet 2 or BMI Baby. If MME can work for Summer to NQY there must be some interest to EXT with the 'business' use alone?
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BRS has in fact been pursuing a deliberate policy for some time (as far as competition legislation permits) of balancing their portfolio of airline customers- EZY are becoming big but by no means dominant, whilst other carriers are growing quietly- this being the main reason why they were the perfect partners for EXT. BRS is one of the few regional airports where BA CON has actually grown in the last year or so and the airport has also encouraged WOW and Eastern to do more regional flying- although today's news of Easten of stopping MME-BRS so soon is not exactly helpful. If you want to understand the pervasive influence of Flybe speak to SOU and NWI who are wondering what they have taken on !
BRS has in fact been pursuing a deliberate policy for some time (as far as competition legislation permits) of balancing their portfolio of airline customers- EZY are becoming big but by no means dominant, whilst other carriers are growing quietly- this being the main reason why they were the perfect partners for EXT. BRS is one of the few regional airports where BA CON has actually grown in the last year or so and the airport has also encouraged WOW and Eastern to do more regional flying- although today's news of Easten of stopping MME-BRS so soon is not exactly helpful. If you want to understand the pervasive influence of Flybe speak to SOU and NWI who are wondering what they have taken on !
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Whilst I agree that some airports have significant presences from specific airlines I strongly believe that an airline, particularly a low cost airline must be dominant at an airfield in order for it to make financial sense.
Economically the cost of advertising one route from and airport is the same as advertising 10 routes. Lets not forget that airlines like Flybe or EZY need to build critcal mass at an airport in order to suceed, equally these airlines have made loss making and inefficient airports sucessful simply by increasing services.
Each low cost carrier has their significant bases whether they be Flybe at EXT/NWI/SOU/BHD. JET2 at LBA, EZY at LGW/LTN or BRS or Ryanair at STN/EMA or DUB. There are some airfields at which no airline is the dominant carrier such as MAN, EDI/GLA but you will normally find that these airports are served from a base where the above carriers are dominant.
BAConnect will suffer from having no defensible bases. It will not take much to push them from SOU or BRS. They may be expanding right now with new routes, but what do you do with aircraft that have 2yrs leases left to run.....park them and suffer from unions?
Economically the cost of advertising one route from and airport is the same as advertising 10 routes. Lets not forget that airlines like Flybe or EZY need to build critcal mass at an airport in order to suceed, equally these airlines have made loss making and inefficient airports sucessful simply by increasing services.
Each low cost carrier has their significant bases whether they be Flybe at EXT/NWI/SOU/BHD. JET2 at LBA, EZY at LGW/LTN or BRS or Ryanair at STN/EMA or DUB. There are some airfields at which no airline is the dominant carrier such as MAN, EDI/GLA but you will normally find that these airports are served from a base where the above carriers are dominant.
BAConnect will suffer from having no defensible bases. It will not take much to push them from SOU or BRS. They may be expanding right now with new routes, but what do you do with aircraft that have 2yrs leases left to run.....park them and suffer from unions?
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Jobsa - Understand completely what your saying re dominant airlines, however I cant agree with your statement re BA at BRS, if they were to go they would have gone a few years ago when CWL/LBA went, BA in the face of an on slaught from EZY have weathered the storm well and come out smelling of roses if you ask me, they've added routes in the past year such as ZRH, MXP and a new route of DUS starting soon, plus they have the ground contracts for SN,WOW and Eastern, so I find it hard to believe that BA would be pushed very easily from BRS, they still compete with EZY on routes such as GLA/EDI and have the upper business market who do not wish to fly with BA, Sorry i know this is an EXT thread so i'll leave my rambling to that.
Fact to me remains that as i said earlier until EXT has better facilities it will not attract another based carrier, i mean even the terminal is painted inside in flybe colours!
Fact to me remains that as i said earlier until EXT has better facilities it will not attract another based carrier, i mean even the terminal is painted inside in flybe colours!
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Re the proposed EXT sale issue. I think it's been sort-of said before, but the heavy presence of FlyBe at EXT would be a big turn-off for many potential investors - an airport basically reliant on the fortunes of one carrier, and an airport which is unlikely to get much other airline interest when it's FlyBe's home base.
I do think BRS is entirely different. They've had a conscious strategy of balancing full service/loco/niche carriers - and that strategy has worked well and has allowed the airport to thrive and prosper without any one airline or business model being dominant.
I do think BRS is entirely different. They've had a conscious strategy of balancing full service/loco/niche carriers - and that strategy has worked well and has allowed the airport to thrive and prosper without any one airline or business model being dominant.
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Exeter Sale
Hey guys, interesting thread. Do you think Exeter is a viable sale? and if so, who do you think would buy it? SOme kind of investment group or perhaps another airport?
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Whats the prob at EXT today 08/07/06? Flight from Guernsey that becomes the flight to EDI came in fine, then the EDI showed a huge delay and the JER flight is going to SOU and pax being bussed back to EXT. Anyone any ideas??
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Exeter Strike Action
According to local news the Fire section at Exeter have opted for strike action commencing next week. This cannot be good for the airport, especially with the much noted sale process.
What effect do is this likely to have? Are the staff at Exeter really as hard done by as claimed compared to other airports? Is there likely to be support from others in industry as a whole?
What effect do is this likely to have? Are the staff at Exeter really as hard done by as claimed compared to other airports? Is there likely to be support from others in industry as a whole?
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What i have read they are on around 18,500pa when you will find most airport fire fighters are on around atleast 22/23000pa.Basically the bigger the airport the better the wage ie Cardiff 25,500pa or Luton i believe to be around 30,000pa,as usual areas will effect the living standards/pay rate.What effect will it have?Well,by withdrawing fire cover the airport will close unless they can draft in cover.Not that anyone ever wants it to reach such a point of closing.Good luck to all at Exeter fire section.
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£18,500 for a firefighter! If that is what local management value them at, good luck to those UNISON members, after all, they are the one's that might just save your life should an accident occur. Would you want to do their job?
Folk seem to think that all firefighters do is sit on their backsides doing nothing? Wrong! You need a licence and therefore a medical standard. You have to maintain competency and peak performance and then you have to undergo regular horrid smoke training etc. £18,500 for that! You could earn more working at ASDA!
Firefighters an an integral part of safety that is aviation and should be rewarded accordingly!
I think that you will find that firefighters at other civil airports earn considerably more than this after training, and so they should!
Folk seem to think that all firefighters do is sit on their backsides doing nothing? Wrong! You need a licence and therefore a medical standard. You have to maintain competency and peak performance and then you have to undergo regular horrid smoke training etc. £18,500 for that! You could earn more working at ASDA!
Firefighters an an integral part of safety that is aviation and should be rewarded accordingly!
I think that you will find that firefighters at other civil airports earn considerably more than this after training, and so they should!