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Quote"I think that serviceair are mainly to blame for this not the people but their manning system which is way to low. Stand on that bus and listen to the lass going on about how many people they had to cover this and that and I sympathize cause they were hugely undermanned."
Here we go again.... blame servisair..... If Jet2 paid the going rate then the staff would be available but sadly as servisair are not a charity service to Jet2 then they get exactly the service they pay for... The airport has 7 parking stands where the pax need to be brought in/out of the terminal by bus but only have three buses and the staff most of the time to drive two but I dont hear you guys moan about that!!!! There is only one walkway from stand 9 to stand 11 so only one flight can board at a time !! who's fault is that ! not servisairs .... Its not all servisairs fault .. Sure they have problems but for gods sake stop blaming everything thing on them..
Here we go again.... blame servisair..... If Jet2 paid the going rate then the staff would be available but sadly as servisair are not a charity service to Jet2 then they get exactly the service they pay for... The airport has 7 parking stands where the pax need to be brought in/out of the terminal by bus but only have three buses and the staff most of the time to drive two but I dont hear you guys moan about that!!!! There is only one walkway from stand 9 to stand 11 so only one flight can board at a time !! who's fault is that ! not servisairs .... Its not all servisairs fault .. Sure they have problems but for gods sake stop blaming everything thing on them..
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Duesseldorf seems to be a strange destination for Jet2, assuming PM takes up the slot.
Venice and Milan certainly would be a welcome return, was surprised VCE was in doubt as LS even managed to operate it during the winter last year, so one would think the summer flights are popular. Will BGY be the chosen Milan airport? Seems most likely, but then again LS have chosen FCO rather than CIA for Rome so perhaps we can dream that the much handier LIN can be offered for Milan.
As for CDG, an increase in flights could provide an interesting response from Bmi.
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Dusseldorf - even if the slots are LBA-DUS you can bet your bottom dollar the flights will be moved to Manchester when PM does his little shuffle with those old routes. Or to put it another way think back to when he obtained LBA-LGW slots.
The Double daily CDG will probably come to Leeds, but again I wouldn't be over supprised for the slots to be used from Manchester, given that it would not be the first time PM has started flights to an already over subscribed route. The other theory is that the midday slot could go to say BLK and the twice daily slots to LBA.
Whatever happens LBA need not worry, PM always pulls something out of the wood work for this side of the Pennines.
The Double daily CDG will probably come to Leeds, but again I wouldn't be over supprised for the slots to be used from Manchester, given that it would not be the first time PM has started flights to an already over subscribed route. The other theory is that the midday slot could go to say BLK and the twice daily slots to LBA.
Whatever happens LBA need not worry, PM always pulls something out of the wood work for this side of the Pennines.
Exactly Loop,
Perhaps the airlines there do need to sort out there dealings with serviceair. Till both or all companies do that it will continue to be a crap airport to transit through.
Perhaps the airlines there do need to sort out there dealings with serviceair. Till both or all companies do that it will continue to be a crap airport to transit through.
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Hi
LBA has launched is master Plan.
Its calling for the following.
New Road Links
New Rail Links
More Car parking spaces
Extra Aircraft Apron spaces
Terminal expansion
New Taxi-way
No Runway Expansion call for until after 2016.
Anyway the full report is on the LBA's website. http://www.lbia.co.uk/masterplan.php
LBA has launched is master Plan.
Its calling for the following.
New Road Links
New Rail Links
More Car parking spaces
Extra Aircraft Apron spaces
Terminal expansion
New Taxi-way
No Runway Expansion call for until after 2016.
Anyway the full report is on the LBA's website. http://www.lbia.co.uk/masterplan.php
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Airport Master Plan
Leeds Bradford International Airport releases details of its expansion as it reveals its long awaited masterplan. Is it enough to propel the Yorkshire airport into new hights or is it just another damp sqid? You decide.
Proposals included in the Masterplan include the following:
*New road link from the A65 near the Leeds ring road
*Improved terminal facilities
*Construction of a parallel taxiway
*New hotel and office development
*Increase short-term carpark spaces from 733 to 1,633
*Increase long-term carpark spaces from 2,100 to 5,100
*Increase the number of aircraft parking stands from 18 to 29
*A new landscape 'buffer' zone between Scotland Lane and the airport
*ferther studies into the feasability of a new rail-link beween Horsforth and the airport
Proposals to extend the runway are to be looked at again at a later date.
drat double drat.....you beat me to it LBIA
Proposals included in the Masterplan include the following:
*New road link from the A65 near the Leeds ring road
*Improved terminal facilities
*Construction of a parallel taxiway
*New hotel and office development
*Increase short-term carpark spaces from 733 to 1,633
*Increase long-term carpark spaces from 2,100 to 5,100
*Increase the number of aircraft parking stands from 18 to 29
*A new landscape 'buffer' zone between Scotland Lane and the airport
*ferther studies into the feasability of a new rail-link beween Horsforth and the airport
Proposals to extend the runway are to be looked at again at a later date.
drat double drat.....you beat me to it LBIA
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Quote"21-11-05
Remember that date when they all complain about LBA on it's mist shrouded hill top!!
Diversion from BHX, MAN, LPL, BLK, EMA, HUY in 12 hours of madness"
Remember the date because the next morning while 8 diverts were parked any where there was a space (BY posn had to hold 30 mins till space was made for him @ 0600) LBA flights were being disrupted & sourthwest cancelled due to the mist on the ' mist shrouded hilltop'
Remember that date when they all complain about LBA on it's mist shrouded hill top!!
Diversion from BHX, MAN, LPL, BLK, EMA, HUY in 12 hours of madness"
Remember the date because the next morning while 8 diverts were parked any where there was a space (BY posn had to hold 30 mins till space was made for him @ 0600) LBA flights were being disrupted & sourthwest cancelled due to the mist on the ' mist shrouded hilltop'
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Has anyone noticed that the low fare finder on Air Wales website is listing both LBA and MAN services from Plymouth.
There is no flight times or info given at the moment.
Is this the start Compertition against Air Southwest. After all they are launching services from Cardiff. Which was announced last week.
Has anyone noticed that the low fare finder on Air Wales website is listing both LBA and MAN services from Plymouth.
There is no flight times or info given at the moment.
Is this the start Compertition against Air Southwest. After all they are launching services from Cardiff. Which was announced last week.
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Firstly I have to say that this is a DRAFT proposal and the airport has asked for public opinion.
Passenger numbers to increase
I think all in all the proposals look quite reasonable. The only thing that I feel doesn't add up are the expected passenger figures of 4.7 milion by 2016. The airport handled around 1.4 million passengers just two or three years ago, with 2.7 million expected this year rising to 3 million in 2006. So the airport has doubled its passengers in three years but it doesn't expect passenger figures to double again for another ten years. It is my opinion that the airport will probably handle 4.7 million passengers by the year 2009 rising to 7 million by 2016. I have based this growth on Leeds and other airports of similar size and catchment.
Proposed future runway extension
The report says this is to be looked at again every five years. Land has been set asside at both ends of the runway for upto aproximately 550 metres in total. Although an extension would be advantageous, the airport has a list of other priorities that must be addressed prior to this. Technical advances are available at less cost to effectively increase the available runway for landings without extending the actual concrete.
Proposed parallel taxiway and extended tunnel
This project is a must if the airport is to carry on increasing the number of aircraft using the airfield. It is not an ideal setup at the moment where aircraft have to make full back-tracks of the runways before take off and after landing. This proposal is fundermental to the airports future growth and it must be carried out as soon as possible.
Additional aircraft parking stands
The proposals are to increase the aircraft parking stands from 18 to 29. Again the timescale for this looks wrong. The airport often has all stands in use during the night time in the summer months. Extra parking stands are needed now if the airport is to attract additional based aircraft.
Additional carpark space
I think the number of serface carparks needs to be addressed, the airport must look at multistorey carparking medium to long-term.
New rail links from Horsforth to Guiseley with a station at the airport
This is a fantastic proposal if it ever gets of the ground. The service could be used by people from Yeadon and Rawdon as well as airport passengers. Guiseley could also have a new station incorperated into these proposals.
New road link from the Leeds Ring Road to the airport
The airport needs a link road. The A658 and the A65 in the Aireborough area are very busy even off peek. The DfT has said in the White Paper for airports that without a new link road it cannot see how the A658 can cope without making it into a dual carrigeway. The proposed link road is also fundermental to the future growth of the airport.
Proposed areas for airport related employment
There are two main areas earmarked the this, Airport West is already under construction and will generally be used for light industrial. The other main area will be opposite the main terminal and will probably be used for additional hotel developments. Projects such as these should help the airport to maximise its income.
Additional terminal developments
Although the plans appear non-specific, the land set asside for future development to the terminal covers over half a mile of land. Enough land has been set asside for a sunstantially sized terminal to be built.
My summary
I think the airports plans for sustainable growth incorperating various environmental measures is the correct way forward. Whilst I feel the timescale for some of the proposals need adjusting, the projects proposed are reasonable. Overrall the proposals will allow for greater flexibility by airlines to operate to destinations further afield. The airport must try and meet its goals sooner if its proposals are to propel the airport into the next division.
Leodis
Passenger numbers to increase
I think all in all the proposals look quite reasonable. The only thing that I feel doesn't add up are the expected passenger figures of 4.7 milion by 2016. The airport handled around 1.4 million passengers just two or three years ago, with 2.7 million expected this year rising to 3 million in 2006. So the airport has doubled its passengers in three years but it doesn't expect passenger figures to double again for another ten years. It is my opinion that the airport will probably handle 4.7 million passengers by the year 2009 rising to 7 million by 2016. I have based this growth on Leeds and other airports of similar size and catchment.
Proposed future runway extension
The report says this is to be looked at again every five years. Land has been set asside at both ends of the runway for upto aproximately 550 metres in total. Although an extension would be advantageous, the airport has a list of other priorities that must be addressed prior to this. Technical advances are available at less cost to effectively increase the available runway for landings without extending the actual concrete.
Proposed parallel taxiway and extended tunnel
This project is a must if the airport is to carry on increasing the number of aircraft using the airfield. It is not an ideal setup at the moment where aircraft have to make full back-tracks of the runways before take off and after landing. This proposal is fundermental to the airports future growth and it must be carried out as soon as possible.
Additional aircraft parking stands
The proposals are to increase the aircraft parking stands from 18 to 29. Again the timescale for this looks wrong. The airport often has all stands in use during the night time in the summer months. Extra parking stands are needed now if the airport is to attract additional based aircraft.
Additional carpark space
I think the number of serface carparks needs to be addressed, the airport must look at multistorey carparking medium to long-term.
New rail links from Horsforth to Guiseley with a station at the airport
This is a fantastic proposal if it ever gets of the ground. The service could be used by people from Yeadon and Rawdon as well as airport passengers. Guiseley could also have a new station incorperated into these proposals.
New road link from the Leeds Ring Road to the airport
The airport needs a link road. The A658 and the A65 in the Aireborough area are very busy even off peek. The DfT has said in the White Paper for airports that without a new link road it cannot see how the A658 can cope without making it into a dual carrigeway. The proposed link road is also fundermental to the future growth of the airport.
Proposed areas for airport related employment
There are two main areas earmarked the this, Airport West is already under construction and will generally be used for light industrial. The other main area will be opposite the main terminal and will probably be used for additional hotel developments. Projects such as these should help the airport to maximise its income.
Additional terminal developments
Although the plans appear non-specific, the land set asside for future development to the terminal covers over half a mile of land. Enough land has been set asside for a sunstantially sized terminal to be built.
My summary
I think the airports plans for sustainable growth incorperating various environmental measures is the correct way forward. Whilst I feel the timescale for some of the proposals need adjusting, the projects proposed are reasonable. Overrall the proposals will allow for greater flexibility by airlines to operate to destinations further afield. The airport must try and meet its goals sooner if its proposals are to propel the airport into the next division.
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Re Master plan and Rail link
From the look of the rather simple map it seems that proposed route is a spur off the Horsforth line and onto the Ilkely line near Guiseley that can then route through Baildon and on to Bradford Foster Square or up to Skipton.
This certainly fits with the calls from the Aire Valley rail users group (or whatever it's called) to have rail access to LBA not just from central Leeds. These potential routes could just make a through service viable, where a dead-end route to LBA only would be a total non-starter.
Alternate trains from Leeds could go to Ilkely, Skipton, and Bradford via LBA with a fairly small increase in journey time for through passengers but still expand the catchment area for public transport to LBA by a vast proportion.
Having been previously very skeptical of a rail link to LBA (until it hits 5+ million pax) I have to say this proposal has a slight chance of success.
Re Pax number predictions - send for some private management with a bit more ambition as soon as possible, & some ability to get more investment in quickly or it really will be an 11 year plan.
Re Eggs and baskets - other regional airports have survived the nervous years of being a base for a single dominant LCC.
PTH
This certainly fits with the calls from the Aire Valley rail users group (or whatever it's called) to have rail access to LBA not just from central Leeds. These potential routes could just make a through service viable, where a dead-end route to LBA only would be a total non-starter.
Alternate trains from Leeds could go to Ilkely, Skipton, and Bradford via LBA with a fairly small increase in journey time for through passengers but still expand the catchment area for public transport to LBA by a vast proportion.
Having been previously very skeptical of a rail link to LBA (until it hits 5+ million pax) I have to say this proposal has a slight chance of success.
Re Pax number predictions - send for some private management with a bit more ambition as soon as possible, & some ability to get more investment in quickly or it really will be an 11 year plan.
Re Eggs and baskets - other regional airports have survived the nervous years of being a base for a single dominant LCC.
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Rail link to LBIA
Alas I differ a little on the rail link to LBIA PTH.
The link to Guiseley would be the non-starter in the short-medium term because the additional capital costs of construction from LBIA to Guiseley would not justify the additional pax/revenue from Bradford.
The big bucks are from Leeds and the link from Horsforth to LBIA is shorter than the link from LBIA to Guiseley.
Having looked at the OS map I think it would be quite an engineering challenge to get up from Horsforth to LBIA but I think there is bigger challenge dropping the 60 odd-metres in to Guiseley.
That said - if one could ignore the cost of construction having a through route from Horsforth to Guiseley WOULD be better and more flexible but it just won't justify itself.
The leeds facing terminal might be a goer in the medium term when pax are up to 5m plus so don't get too excited everybody.
The link to Guiseley would be the non-starter in the short-medium term because the additional capital costs of construction from LBIA to Guiseley would not justify the additional pax/revenue from Bradford.
The big bucks are from Leeds and the link from Horsforth to LBIA is shorter than the link from LBIA to Guiseley.
Having looked at the OS map I think it would be quite an engineering challenge to get up from Horsforth to LBIA but I think there is bigger challenge dropping the 60 odd-metres in to Guiseley.
That said - if one could ignore the cost of construction having a through route from Horsforth to Guiseley WOULD be better and more flexible but it just won't justify itself.
The leeds facing terminal might be a goer in the medium term when pax are up to 5m plus so don't get too excited everybody.
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The Bridgetown flight by Thomson B767-300 Today went direct from LBA with out a fuel stop.
Thomsonfly have also comfirmed that they will once again be basing a Boeing 767-200 at LBA for the first 3 months of the summer 2006 season. The B767-200 will change to a B757-200 on July 28th 2006.
Astraeus have now comfired that they will be opertaing a B737-700 for next summer. I guess this won't have the same problems as the B737-300 reaching places in Greece, Cyprus and The canery islands??
Looks like its going to be a good one next summer for charter flights from LBA.
Thomsonfly have also comfirmed that they will once again be basing a Boeing 767-200 at LBA for the first 3 months of the summer 2006 season. The B767-200 will change to a B757-200 on July 28th 2006.
Astraeus have now comfired that they will be opertaing a B737-700 for next summer. I guess this won't have the same problems as the B737-300 reaching places in Greece, Cyprus and The canery islands??
Looks like its going to be a good one next summer for charter flights from LBA.
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Germany's leading broadsheet FAZ today runs an longish article on DUS and Jet2 is explicitly mentioned as one of a number of new carriers that will benefit from the recent decision by the state department of transport to increase the number of slots.
A LBA-DUS route has been looked into a couple of times in the past. BMI has repeatedly requested slots for LBA at DUS in the past. There should be a market, given that LH and BA both have a couple of daily flights from DUS to MAN.
A LBA-DUS route has been looked into a couple of times in the past. BMI has repeatedly requested slots for LBA at DUS in the past. There should be a market, given that LH and BA both have a couple of daily flights from DUS to MAN.
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A few questions
1.Anybody know if the Bridgetown flight was full or not?.2.Why if Thomsonfly can fill a 767 in the quieter months,why change to smaller a/c in peak summer season?.3.What problems did Astraeus have?.I flew with them to LPA no problem.Although it was a bit of a drag,with no IFE,do the 700's have this fitted?.
Why if Thomsonfly can fill a 767 in the quieter months,why change to smaller a/c in peak summer season?
Who knows
