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If Thomson were so unhappy with LBA why would they put a 757/767 in there when they could put a 733 or 738 instead?
The anti-Thomson brigade at LBA on these forums are getting a wee bit boring now, Tour Ops drop destinations if flights aren't selling well, after all they are a business trying to survive in a harsh environment. If it means more money consolidating at one airport, then so be it.
The anti-Thomson brigade at LBA on these forums are getting a wee bit boring now, Tour Ops drop destinations if flights aren't selling well, after all they are a business trying to survive in a harsh environment. If it means more money consolidating at one airport, then so be it.
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RE: JER and ORK services.
Bmi fares are completely uncompetitive to JER and ORK from LBA in comparison to WW's fares at MAN and TOM's from DSA (to JER). Why pay £130 return when you can get the same flights at £35 return an hour down the motorway, with better frequencies?
Whilst I'm sure Jet2 could offer lower fares on these routes, a 733 would likely restrict the frequency they could operate viably to maybe 3 or 4 times weekly, even during the summer. For a competitive year-round schedule, I'd prefer to see Air Southwest take the intiative as their fare structure and efficient Dash 8's would possibly offer a better opportunity at maintaining a daily, year-round schedule to ORK whilst JER could be daily during the summer with a reduced frequency during winter.
Bmi fares are completely uncompetitive to JER and ORK from LBA in comparison to WW's fares at MAN and TOM's from DSA (to JER). Why pay £130 return when you can get the same flights at £35 return an hour down the motorway, with better frequencies?
Whilst I'm sure Jet2 could offer lower fares on these routes, a 733 would likely restrict the frequency they could operate viably to maybe 3 or 4 times weekly, even during the summer. For a competitive year-round schedule, I'd prefer to see Air Southwest take the intiative as their fare structure and efficient Dash 8's would possibly offer a better opportunity at maintaining a daily, year-round schedule to ORK whilst JER could be daily during the summer with a reduced frequency during winter.
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Originally Posted by ManchesterMan
Get your family to hop on a train to Manchester and
get the Jet2 flight to Gatwick.
With any luck they might be able to get a straight
through train to the airport.
Its only half an hour by train methinks.....
Problem solved!
MM
get the Jet2 flight to Gatwick.
With any luck they might be able to get a straight
through train to the airport.
Its only half an hour by train methinks.....
Problem solved!
MM
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Found out today that a friend was supposed to fly from LBA to somewhere in the canaries. When arrived at LBA they were told that they were flying from DSA given a taxi ride for the inconvenience plus £100.
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Originally Posted by POL1W
Just to add some interesting figures regarding the TUI LPA flight from LBA which has been cancelled from JAN for the remainder of the winter, and pax told to make their way to DSA.
In DEC 2237 pax used the LBA/LPA flight. that's 95% sold on a weekly 757.
In DEC 2193 pax used the DSA/LPA flight, thats 77% sold on a twice weekly 737-800.
And they cancelled the LBA flight?
Does that make sense?
Figures from CAA website.
In DEC 2237 pax used the LBA/LPA flight. that's 95% sold on a weekly 757.
In DEC 2193 pax used the DSA/LPA flight, thats 77% sold on a twice weekly 737-800.
And they cancelled the LBA flight?
Does that make sense?
Figures from CAA website.
BTW GrahamK, keep your nose out, Ill talk about Thomson and LBA as much as I want
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RobT100, I'll second that. Why did Thompsons cancel the LBA flight not the DSA ones? Hmmn oh yes DSA must be a success as Thompsons have moved in and based multiple ac there so we can't be seen to have made a poor decision can we?! LBA is a crappy airport anyway, on a hill with low cloud and fog and a runway 90 degrees out of wind. DSA however only needs a CAT 1 ILS on one end as it's never foggy! and it's runway is, oh yes 90 degrees out of wind too!
Still at least Thompsons have a reasonable presence now in one Yorkshire airport sadly just not the one nearest the main Yorkshire conurbations.
Still at least Thompsons have a reasonable presence now in one Yorkshire airport sadly just not the one nearest the main Yorkshire conurbations.
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Originally Posted by HOODED
RobT100, I'll second that. Why did Thompsons cancel the LBA flight not the DSA ones? Hmmn oh yes DSA must be a success as Thompsons have moved in and based multiple ac there so we can't be seen to have made a poor decision can we?! LBA is a crappy airport anyway, on a hill with low cloud and fog and a runway 90 degrees out of wind. DSA however only needs a CAT 1 ILS on one end as it's never foggy! and it's runway is, oh yes 90 degrees out of wind too!
Still at least Thompsons have a reasonable presence now in one Yorkshire airport sadly just not the one nearest the main Yorkshire conurbations.
Still at least Thompsons have a reasonable presence now in one Yorkshire airport sadly just not the one nearest the main Yorkshire conurbations.
Now that would be interesting
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Originally Posted by ManchesterMan
Ive just checked and it appears we are both wrong!!!!
The average time for the journey appears to be 1Hr (+/-).
(National rail enquiries)
MM
The average time for the journey appears to be 1Hr (+/-).
(National rail enquiries)
MM
As for Robt and Hooded - come on boys, it's not a playground, it's business. I imagine TUI haven't the faintest interest in airport A being bigger or better than airport B and this will not be a motivating factor in their planning. The fact is that TUI have, initially, a 290 seat a/c in Leeds and a 189 seater in DSA. If the projected forecasts for seat bookings to say DLM are that 120 will be sold ex-Leeds and 69 ex-DSA, then it makes commercial sense to consolidate the flight onto the DSA machine and send it out full rather than consolidate into Leeds and send it out 65% full. Arguably the right commercial decision even though Leeds has outsold DSA by 30%.
The question for TUI surely is whether basing 2 smaller aircraft at Leeds would give them the operational flexibility to serve thinner routes whilst still being able to maintain 767 capacity levels by operating a higher frequency on the proven 'thick' routes.
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682, a balanced and well thought out post as always. Perhaps my frustration with Thompsons is starting to show. Surely though there must be greater cost in moving the larger amount of people from airport A to airport B than moving less people from airport B to A. Lets not forget they are also anoying more customers this way and many, like me will never use them again after being bitten by this more than once. What price a loyal customer base? The movement from IT to buld your own using a LoCo's is not going to be helped by doing it this way!
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I just thought i'd point out that only the Cyprus Thomson flight was advertised in the latest LBAirmail. That advertisement must have been finalised at least two months ago, so they must have known much earlier that the other flights would be cancelled. Infact I would even say that they planned to cancel them right from the word go. They even have the cheek and mordacity to have an advert on the terminal front saying "your holiday starts here!" So who's kidding who?
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Originally Posted by Leodis
I just thought i'd point out that only the Cyprus Thomson flight was advertised in the latest LBAirmail. That advertisement must have been finalised at least two months ago, so they must have known much earlier that the other flights would be cancelled. Infact I would even say that they planned to cancel them right from the word go. They even have the cheek and mordacity to have an advert on the terminal front saying "your holiday starts here!" So who's kidding who?
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Originally Posted by wawkrk
Why not divert the empty TUI flights from DSA through LBA to collect the bulk of their passengers?
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Perhaps DSA is not the success story that people thought
DSA has to work and it will be made to at the expense of LBA and HUY. Too many politicians and companies that invested in the venture will lose money and face if it doesn't. Although as a last resort Peel could probably turn it into another shopping centre which is far more lucrative for them.
DSA (Doncaster-Sheffield) as the name implies is not attracting the half million or so Sheffield pax, who appear to be sticking with NEMA which is obviously easier to get to, and MAN which has the destinations.
TUI have too much invested in DSA to let their operation fail, but there surely comes a point at the end of the year when although the pax loads on the Med IT's look OK, the yields from them were low, just to get the pax on the seats., and they may decide to cut back even more than they have done already. The Tax that TUI add to their DSA flights is extremely high too at £23.50 per person, per flight, when LBA is only £12 with Jet 2, and £15 from MAN. Why is this?
The Easy GVA is carrying loads of 30 and 40 a flight, which can't be sending them signals for a return next winter or indeed add new flights for the future.
At the end of the day, LBA has a great future and more expansion to come taking their 2.6 million pax well over 3 million and beyond, even with its poor range of IT flights especially in the winter months.
I just need that Jet 2 LGW/MAN flight switching to LBA where it would far better serve the South East, instead of competing with BA. On a route they are losing hands down to BA at the moment from MAN.
DSA (Doncaster-Sheffield) as the name implies is not attracting the half million or so Sheffield pax, who appear to be sticking with NEMA which is obviously easier to get to, and MAN which has the destinations.
TUI have too much invested in DSA to let their operation fail, but there surely comes a point at the end of the year when although the pax loads on the Med IT's look OK, the yields from them were low, just to get the pax on the seats., and they may decide to cut back even more than they have done already. The Tax that TUI add to their DSA flights is extremely high too at £23.50 per person, per flight, when LBA is only £12 with Jet 2, and £15 from MAN. Why is this?
The Easy GVA is carrying loads of 30 and 40 a flight, which can't be sending them signals for a return next winter or indeed add new flights for the future.
At the end of the day, LBA has a great future and more expansion to come taking their 2.6 million pax well over 3 million and beyond, even with its poor range of IT flights especially in the winter months.
I just need that Jet 2 LGW/MAN flight switching to LBA where it would far better serve the South East, instead of competing with BA. On a route they are losing hands down to BA at the moment from MAN.