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Yes, looks pretty good Buster, and still at least two more new routes to come from Wizz by mid/late summer.
Wizz, definately one of the better success stories to happen at LTN. They already operate more flights than out of LTN than MON sch, so long may it continue.
Wizz, definately one of the better success stories to happen at LTN. They already operate more flights than out of LTN than MON sch, so long may it continue.
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Not saying whether this is good or not but just an observation. There has been a major influx of Eastern Europeans living in Luton over the last 18 months. I guess the town will need even more new houses now as many of the new arrivals don't seem to make it out of the town.
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Originally Posted by King Pong
Not saying whether this is good or not but just an observation. There has been a major influx of Eastern Europeans living in Luton over the last 18 months. I guess the town will need even more new houses now as many of the new arrivals don't seem to make it out of the town.
Good news for Luton and Wizz, I guess the LZ- A320 kind of states where one of the routes will be from?
Wizz bigger than Monarch Scheduled.......If I was living in the Alps, I would want to know why my airline has not achieved all it might have done? I would like to shake the 'so and so's' at Monarch and wake them up to their home base, London Luton!
Nice one Wizz, I guess powerjet1, 1,000,000 plus pax then?
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Is it likely that they will bring thier own aircraft, the flight deck might like a 'Landing without fear' course prior to arrival at Luton?
Virgin Atlantic launches new Flying Without Fear course at Luton & Newcastle Airport
Virgin Atlantic is pleased to announce that its Flying Without Fear course (FWF) is to take place at Luton Airport on the 22 January and Newcastle Airport on the 12 February. Virgin Atlantic, in association with FWF Limited, offers one day courses throughout the year, aimed at teaching sufferers...
Virgin Atlantic launches new Flying Without Fear course at Luton & Newcastle Airport
Virgin Atlantic is pleased to announce that its Flying Without Fear course (FWF) is to take place at Luton Airport on the 22 January and Newcastle Airport on the 12 February. Virgin Atlantic, in association with FWF Limited, offers one day courses throughout the year, aimed at teaching sufferers...
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The minutes of various airport meetings can be found at http://www.llacc.com/CurrentMeeting.asp
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Just some of the many questions and answer from the document entitled Draft Master Plan Questions from the LLACC debated on the 5th December. Interesting that the airport states that the capacity of the existing terminal will be 10m after it is expanded next year. So what will happen after next year until a new terminal is built in around 5 years time?
Question. What is the expected capacity of the terminals once completed and the estimated runway capacity of both runways?
Answer. North Terminal – 10mppa
South Terminal – 20mppa
As previously stated, LLAOL’s draft Master Plan outlines how a 3,000 metre replacement runway, and associated development could be delivered at London Luton Airport, in line with the Government’s White Paper. Therefore, capacity of both runways has not been modelled.
Question. Is the new runway to be a replacement runway or not?
Answer. As previously stated, LLAOL’s draft Master Plan outlines how a 3,000 metre replacement runway, and associated development could be delivered at London Luton Airport, in line with the Government’s White Paper.
Question. The Master Plan refers on several occasions to the proposed southern runway as a replacement runway, but it also suggests continuing use of the current runway as well. Paragraph 5.18 even manages to include both concepts within a single sentence:
“Limited continued use of the existing runway for these aircraft movements, beyond 2015, would mean that London Luton Airport could continue to offer services to business aviation customers and maintenance, whilst dedicating use of the replacement runway to commercial passenger traffic and cargo.”
Surely it is either an additional runway or a replacement – how can it be both?
Answer. LLAOL’s ‘reference case’ answers the challenge laid down by the Government in the White Paper:
‘we will expect airport operators to produce master plans or, where appropriate, to update existing master plans to take account of the conclusions on future development set out in this White Paper’
However, the Government has not considered the future development of business aviation, of critical importance to the UK economy. LLAOL has simply flagged this up to the Government as a consideration for the future. It does not form part of the reference case.
Question. Who will own the new runway and associated infrastructure?
Answer. Detailed financial arrangements between LLAOL and London Luton Airport Limited are not, as far as LLAOL is concerned, a matter for the public record.
Question. LLAO proposes to acquire land that is outside the current concession area (and within the boundaries of other Local Authorities) and to build the new facilities on it. Once that ‘new airport’ is fully operational, there is no prospect of a separate existence for LBC’s current one.
Answer. This statement makes no sense. If the implication is that LLAOL would be able to open a new airport outside of the existing concession arrangements, this is a factual inaccurate and misleading. LLAOL intends to make full use of the north and south terminals in the future.
Question. What would happen to LBC’s passenger levy?
Answer. Detailed financial arrangements between LLAOL and London Luton Airport Limited are not, as far as LLAOL is concerned, a matter for the public record.
Question. What is the expected capacity of the terminals once completed and the estimated runway capacity of both runways?
Answer. North Terminal – 10mppa
South Terminal – 20mppa
As previously stated, LLAOL’s draft Master Plan outlines how a 3,000 metre replacement runway, and associated development could be delivered at London Luton Airport, in line with the Government’s White Paper. Therefore, capacity of both runways has not been modelled.
Question. Is the new runway to be a replacement runway or not?
Answer. As previously stated, LLAOL’s draft Master Plan outlines how a 3,000 metre replacement runway, and associated development could be delivered at London Luton Airport, in line with the Government’s White Paper.
Question. The Master Plan refers on several occasions to the proposed southern runway as a replacement runway, but it also suggests continuing use of the current runway as well. Paragraph 5.18 even manages to include both concepts within a single sentence:
“Limited continued use of the existing runway for these aircraft movements, beyond 2015, would mean that London Luton Airport could continue to offer services to business aviation customers and maintenance, whilst dedicating use of the replacement runway to commercial passenger traffic and cargo.”
Surely it is either an additional runway or a replacement – how can it be both?
Answer. LLAOL’s ‘reference case’ answers the challenge laid down by the Government in the White Paper:
‘we will expect airport operators to produce master plans or, where appropriate, to update existing master plans to take account of the conclusions on future development set out in this White Paper’
However, the Government has not considered the future development of business aviation, of critical importance to the UK economy. LLAOL has simply flagged this up to the Government as a consideration for the future. It does not form part of the reference case.
Question. Who will own the new runway and associated infrastructure?
Answer. Detailed financial arrangements between LLAOL and London Luton Airport Limited are not, as far as LLAOL is concerned, a matter for the public record.
Question. LLAO proposes to acquire land that is outside the current concession area (and within the boundaries of other Local Authorities) and to build the new facilities on it. Once that ‘new airport’ is fully operational, there is no prospect of a separate existence for LBC’s current one.
Answer. This statement makes no sense. If the implication is that LLAOL would be able to open a new airport outside of the existing concession arrangements, this is a factual inaccurate and misleading. LLAOL intends to make full use of the north and south terminals in the future.
Question. What would happen to LBC’s passenger levy?
Answer. Detailed financial arrangements between LLAOL and London Luton Airport Limited are not, as far as LLAOL is concerned, a matter for the public record.
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WOW, it was just like watching my customers traipsing around Whipsnade in their welly boots. Caught a glimpse of the local TV news and saw lots of folk walking around a muddy field, in the middle of 'No where', claiming that their lives will be made hell due to a new runway, likely to be situated in the 'middle of No Where'!
I assume all those folk regularly walk in the mud on a Thursday morning for health reasons?
Now I wonder just how many of these folk fly from Luton airport, derive a living from a service attributable to the airport, or have relative or sibling that eek out a living from working on site?
Do not get me wrong, I am not knocking those that oppose Luton airport's proposal, but a 'mob' wielding placards traipsing through a seldom used muddy field, made me giggle a tiny bit! Those poor toddlers feet must be aching!
If that was a 'real demonstration' from the Anti-Luton Airport Expansion Lobby, I would hate to see them in anger!
Now can someone replicate the 'muddy field' press coup with folk that stand to gain employment wise, from a regulated expansion of Luton airport? My guess is that the fields would be too small to cope?
If I thought for one single moment that the new runway was going to be built on regularly used countryside, I would join those campaigners on TV. Sadly, most have never got their feet muddy in those Fields prior to today? Most probably needed assistance to find the campaign location?
I assume all those folk regularly walk in the mud on a Thursday morning for health reasons?
Now I wonder just how many of these folk fly from Luton airport, derive a living from a service attributable to the airport, or have relative or sibling that eek out a living from working on site?
Do not get me wrong, I am not knocking those that oppose Luton airport's proposal, but a 'mob' wielding placards traipsing through a seldom used muddy field, made me giggle a tiny bit! Those poor toddlers feet must be aching!
If that was a 'real demonstration' from the Anti-Luton Airport Expansion Lobby, I would hate to see them in anger!
Now can someone replicate the 'muddy field' press coup with folk that stand to gain employment wise, from a regulated expansion of Luton airport? My guess is that the fields would be too small to cope?
If I thought for one single moment that the new runway was going to be built on regularly used countryside, I would join those campaigners on TV. Sadly, most have never got their feet muddy in those Fields prior to today? Most probably needed assistance to find the campaign location?
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I see that the council will be removing bushes, trees and general vegetation along the A505 next month in preparation for the commencement of construction work for the duelling of the road into the airport. Work will start around February 6th before the nesting season starts. So does this mean that the government has finally agreed to cough up the money for the road?
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Luton Borough Council (LBC) is allegedly shi**ing itself over LLAO's Project 2030 plans because it can see the construction of a major airport facility outside its boundaries and so unlikely to generate the sort of income that it presently enjoys.
Although the projected capacity of the existing (and what will become the 'North') Terminal will be capped at 10m ppa, the reality is that 80% to 90% of passengers post-2012 will initially be routed via the 'South' Terminal and therefore, outside LLAO's sphere of influence.
Negotiations are ongoing between the two parties regarding the existing Concession and its future, meantime LBC has reportedly sought to have the Airport valued on the 'open' market presumably with a medium-term view of selling it as a going concern, should the negotiations not reach a satisfactory outcome.
ACDL could then of course, be one of those in the runnning to purchase LTN outright either singly or as part of a consortium.
Although the projected capacity of the existing (and what will become the 'North') Terminal will be capped at 10m ppa, the reality is that 80% to 90% of passengers post-2012 will initially be routed via the 'South' Terminal and therefore, outside LLAO's sphere of influence.
Negotiations are ongoing between the two parties regarding the existing Concession and its future, meantime LBC has reportedly sought to have the Airport valued on the 'open' market presumably with a medium-term view of selling it as a going concern, should the negotiations not reach a satisfactory outcome.
ACDL could then of course, be one of those in the runnning to purchase LTN outright either singly or as part of a consortium.
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Although the projected capacity of the existing (and what will become the 'North') Terminal will be capped at 10m ppa, the reality is that 80% to 90% of passengers post-2012 will initially be routed via the 'South' Terminal and therefore, outside LLAO's sphere of influence.
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If pax numbers are currently running at 9.25m, with a projected 10.1m (LLAO's fig taken from MP's doc) for 2006, then the capped figure may well be exceeded by this time next year. I know an extension of the terminal will form part of the first stage planning permission to be submitted in March, so will then a new figure come into force, otherwise what happens in the years 2007-2010 prior to the proposed south terminal being built ?.
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A limit of 5 million? I know the terminal was orginally designed in 1999 but how short sighted were the airport/LBC (I know short sightedness is a characteristic of LBC) to only design a terminal for 5 million people when the airport was already operating around 2/3 milion ppa?
I read in a magazine I've got at home from 2000 that Luton airport hoped to make 10 million passengers by 2004 so surely the design of the terminal must have been for more?
I read in a magazine I've got at home from 2000 that Luton airport hoped to make 10 million passengers by 2004 so surely the design of the terminal must have been for more?
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Planning permission is required for any expansion that will facilitate in excess of 10m pax ~ but the Council acknowledges that it's almost impossible to control this figure (you can hardly turn away the 10 millionth and one passenger!!).
However, in order to expand the existing terminal which can only be southwards, the drop-off area would need to be used up. Since the interim (i.e. until 2012) plans envisage an additional 'southeast apron' on the short-term car park area, plus piers 'B' and 'C', it's difficult to see just where any terminal building expansion could take place.
However, in order to expand the existing terminal which can only be southwards, the drop-off area would need to be used up. Since the interim (i.e. until 2012) plans envisage an additional 'southeast apron' on the short-term car park area, plus piers 'B' and 'C', it's difficult to see just where any terminal building expansion could take place.
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Road planning and car parking hardly appear to be a priority for the airport, especially considering the current mess of the road layout and the holes big enough to dissapear in located in the short term. If they need to expand the south terminal they will without a moments hesitation uproot the short term and plonk it somewhere else, then they'd proberly whack a shuttle bus from the carpark to the carpark.
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The Phase 1 draft plans seem to show the edge of the existing terminal being extended southwards, as CAP 493 has stated, across the drop-off area, finishing approx 150mtrs short of the alpha taxiway. The extension would be of reasonable size. Easyland seems to be earmarked for carparking, but can't imagine this area being the location of the short-term multi-storey, due to the closeness of the taxiway. As for any new drop-off area, bus station,taxi area etc, it must be a planner's nightmare.
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A limit of 5 million? I know the terminal was orginally designed in 1999 but how short sighted were the airport/LBC (I know short sightedness is a characteristic of LBC) to only design a terminal for 5 million people when the airport was already operating around 2/3 milion ppa?
As for any new drop-off area, bus station,taxi area etc, it must be a planner's nightmare.
“Members questioned the growth of the airport to 10 mppa next year (now at 9.2m) and the capacity of the drop off area, car parks and in particular the spread of off airport car parking to accept the loading. The M.D. acknowledged that the outcome of the survey of the drop off area had proved that this was a key area for improvement and confirmed that the budget for 2006 included a £1m project covering this area"
The terminal will be expanded south but the bigger the expansion the bigger the problem will be with the gradients of the new drop off area as the land already drops away from the existing edge of the terminal. Of couse the answer could be to put the extension in at a slightly lower level to the existing level but this will cause its own problems.
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Expanding the terminal southwards will also be a major challenge. At the moment the undercroft service road descends from the entrance to the drop off area and takes a sharp left hand turn passing under the taxi rank before taking a sharp right hand turn and follows a path under the front of the terminal. The existing terminal is actually a 4 story building although most people only consider it to be on two floors. The two lower floors contain amongst other things the baggage belts and baggage shoots to the baggage trucks and is classed as airside.
The expansion will allow the construction of additional check-in desks but what will happen to the luggage? The taxi rank is actually a bridge so for the luggage to descend to apron level and remain airside I can’t see any other option than closing the existing route and creating a new one. The existing service road will need to remain open to service the terminal while a new route is created.
So job number one before any terminal construction work can take place will be to build a new drop off area away from the terminal, which will end up fronting the terminal when the terminal is complete.
The last time the airport shifted the drop off area the great British public decided they preferred the roundabout as a drop off area as they didn’t like heading in the opposite direction to the terminal. This will then stop construction traffic from getting in as well as causing more congestion.
Maybe the solution will be to set up a drop off area and short term car park on the other side of the tunnel and bus the passengers in while the building work is taking place. Project 2030 does show that the final solution will be a drop off area and short term car park in what is now the mid term car park.
A simple solution would be to make the bus station the drop off area and shift the busses and coaches.
The expansion will allow the construction of additional check-in desks but what will happen to the luggage? The taxi rank is actually a bridge so for the luggage to descend to apron level and remain airside I can’t see any other option than closing the existing route and creating a new one. The existing service road will need to remain open to service the terminal while a new route is created.
So job number one before any terminal construction work can take place will be to build a new drop off area away from the terminal, which will end up fronting the terminal when the terminal is complete.
The last time the airport shifted the drop off area the great British public decided they preferred the roundabout as a drop off area as they didn’t like heading in the opposite direction to the terminal. This will then stop construction traffic from getting in as well as causing more congestion.
Maybe the solution will be to set up a drop off area and short term car park on the other side of the tunnel and bus the passengers in while the building work is taking place. Project 2030 does show that the final solution will be a drop off area and short term car park in what is now the mid term car park.
A simple solution would be to make the bus station the drop off area and shift the busses and coaches.
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I would say it was a very clever move by the council. Design a terminal with a capacity of 10m but claim it has a capacity of 5m. The result of this was that there was no public enquiry. By the time the anti Luton brigade had figured out that the wool had been pulled over their eyes it was too late.
