BA Unofficial Strike ( Merged)
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Why has the TGWU been so quiet about this, nothing on their website condoning or decrying the actions of the baggage handlers bus drivers etc.
This is absolutely bizarre, get a grip and get back to work.
This is absolutely bizarre, get a grip and get back to work.
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Makes me absolutely sick to think about all those stranded passengers........
Just glad to see most people adopting the voice of reason here with little sympathy for what is an illegal strike........
Lets keep thinking about the plight of BA's customers....... and hold the union accountable......don't think Mrs. Thatcher would stand for this......
UTTER DISGRACE....
Just glad to see most people adopting the voice of reason here with little sympathy for what is an illegal strike........
Lets keep thinking about the plight of BA's customers....... and hold the union accountable......don't think Mrs. Thatcher would stand for this......
UTTER DISGRACE....
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Given the sensitivities of all this I guess you very carefully choose the thread title to gain maximum attention - Can you substantiate your claims? I'm available, < 200 metres from Crew Report and my phone hasn't rung.
More likely you are TGWU Rep trying to raise the temperature or perhaps a journo on a fishing expedition?
Given the sensitivities of all this I guess you very carefully choose the thread title to gain maximum attention - Can you substantiate your claims? I'm available, < 200 metres from Crew Report and my phone hasn't rung.
More likely you are TGWU Rep trying to raise the temperature or perhaps a journo on a fishing expedition?
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Just got home from terminal 1 and I have a message for any of the BA staff who may be reading this and were responsible for my weekend being fu*ked up!
You small minded little hitlers, you have no thought or concern for others, and don't try to justify your actions up as the result of GG bad management. You are responsible for the mess that you created no one else.
What? you think that because that you hold the company to ransom that that makes you big and clever...no one that I spoke to had any support for your actions. You disgraced your company and to the majority of people that were not British you disgraced your country and made us look silly and stupid.
Your lucky that I don't have an airside pass, I would have shoved the baggage up your fat lazy arse.
About time you realised that the world doesn't owe you anything and work for a living.
Oh and its ok when it not you suffering isn't it? but guess if your weekend had been ruined then you wouldn't be so fu*king smart and clever would you?
Piss*d off!!!!!!!!!!!!
You small minded little hitlers, you have no thought or concern for others, and don't try to justify your actions up as the result of GG bad management. You are responsible for the mess that you created no one else.
What? you think that because that you hold the company to ransom that that makes you big and clever...no one that I spoke to had any support for your actions. You disgraced your company and to the majority of people that were not British you disgraced your country and made us look silly and stupid.
Your lucky that I don't have an airside pass, I would have shoved the baggage up your fat lazy arse.
About time you realised that the world doesn't owe you anything and work for a living.
Oh and its ok when it not you suffering isn't it? but guess if your weekend had been ruined then you wouldn't be so fu*king smart and clever would you?
Piss*d off!!!!!!!!!!!!
TGWU support-staff members at GG and BA with their working practices and rewarded idleness seem reminiscent of the print unions of old. Because of this they are looking down the gun barrel right now. Reality is closing on them as surely as the truck bearing down on the blinded rabbit in its headlights. This might be the beginning of their end. Have you seen the passenger comments and experiences currently posting on the BBC news website? It's not GG that's taking the brunt of it - it's BA whose only fault was putting its catering out to a contractor. Whatever its faults - and God knows they are many - BA are barely to blame. This is like the bad old days of British Leyland, Grunwick and Wapping all over again. When will some of these no hopers come into the 21st century. It might not be easy here - but if you play a fair game, and return a fair day's effort for a fair day's pay -almost all of us are better off than our forefathers could ever have dreamed of being.
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Thanks for ruining my travel plans BA Heathrow ground crew...
Absolutely disgraceful tactics, they should be ashamed and not allowed to get away with this. I have to add however the staff out the front were very helpful and apologetic, atmosphere was not hostile towards them as a few TV journalists came out the front and explained what happened with GG, after which everyone knew their hands were tied.
To the BA scabs that have gone on this wildcat strike, you deserve everything Willie Walsh is going to throw at you - hopefully P45s.
And to make it worse the only flight available with alternate airline was with RYANAIR from Stanstead, which I'll be taking early tomorrow morning!
Absolutely disgraceful tactics, they should be ashamed and not allowed to get away with this. I have to add however the staff out the front were very helpful and apologetic, atmosphere was not hostile towards them as a few TV journalists came out the front and explained what happened with GG, after which everyone knew their hands were tied.
To the BA scabs that have gone on this wildcat strike, you deserve everything Willie Walsh is going to throw at you - hopefully P45s.
And to make it worse the only flight available with alternate airline was with RYANAIR from Stanstead, which I'll be taking early tomorrow morning!
A friend rolled up to operate a long haul flight tonight(pilot) to be told absolutely foxtrot alpha.Cabin crew consoled at great expense and put up in hotels(on allowances?) whilst he couldnt get any information including being barred from current ops.Gave up and pissed off home.Still, as long as the platelayers are comfortable.And by the way,the aircraft sitting for hours for somewhere to park,the cabin crew are coining it in with the overtime ticking along merrily while they hide in the gallies.What a fu...ng joke
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Disappointed,
Have you been informed about the unions stance on the illegal BA strike action and what the TGWU is proposing to do about it.
I think the fact that it's members have caused huge amounts of disruption to thousands of people and dragged a company whose staff are that unions members through the myre. The TGWU really ought to open it's big dinosaur mouth and let these people know what it intends to do and whether it does indeed support illegal strike action.
Have you been informed about the unions stance on the illegal BA strike action and what the TGWU is proposing to do about it.
I think the fact that it's members have caused huge amounts of disruption to thousands of people and dragged a company whose staff are that unions members through the myre. The TGWU really ought to open it's big dinosaur mouth and let these people know what it intends to do and whether it does indeed support illegal strike action.
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I 'll second your report, I was there.......whilst the Cabin Crew were being adressed en-masse, being referred to as "our community", being told HOTAC would be arranged/provided, the Flight Crew were getting on with being grown up and making their own arrangements..............
For some there's always a silver lining.
I 'll second your report, I was there.......whilst the Cabin Crew were being adressed en-masse, being referred to as "our community", being told HOTAC would be arranged/provided, the Flight Crew were getting on with being grown up and making their own arrangements..............
For some there's always a silver lining.
I think in the UK the local Reps are liable for damages.....which would be lots in this case and would explain why you always hear tales of the Reps "desperately trying to get their members to get back to work" but somehow always failing.
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First of all, dock their salaries during the illegal walkout and then fire them all for illegally walking out. Like someone posted earlier, there would be a hell of a lot of London bus drivers applying for those positions.
As far as baggage handlers are concerned, that's way beyond my competence. I imagine that all the times I've been through Heathrow, at least one bottle has gone missing, especially now with the no-lock policy.
As far as baggage handlers are concerned, that's way beyond my competence. I imagine that all the times I've been through Heathrow, at least one bottle has gone missing, especially now with the no-lock policy.
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There is a lesson to be learned here. Outsource the services on which you depend and be prepared to accept the consequences. The moment you do this you expose yourself to all these complications. At the end of the day all these problems are the fault of BA management.
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From my understanding of events:
GG staff sacked were mostly ex BA staff when BA divested itself of catering, so those sacked were presumably were once part of the T&G within BA.
The BA union representing the catering staff were anti sell off and have come out with GG staff in sympathy for the ex BA staff being shafted twice!
What do folk on five/six quid an hour have to lose, certainly thier loyalty and hard work over the years has come to nothing.
If you pay folk the minimum wage, you cannot blame them for standing up for themselves. Folk can only take so much shafting!
The current labour market rules in the staff favour as they only get paid under six quid per hour, what do they have to lose?
Instead of blaming the staff....focus attention on those cost cutting, for thier actions yesterday could have caused this fiasco.
Issue redundancy notices to staff presumably those transfered under TUPE? Then replace with temps and seasonal. No wonder they had a meeting to discuss thier options, but as a result got imprisoned, then sacked!
I have never quite seen eye to eye with the T&G, but on this, based upon my knowledge of events, BA must reap, what it has sown in the past!
Sadly the media will probably not report a balanced view and seek the REAL facts, they just show pi$$ed off pax. Has anyone interviewed the BA ground handling staff as to why they walked out?
If BA sack thier ground handling staff probably a lot of them on the min wage, there will be jobs going in GG!
Slag the unions off at your peril. Picture this, you arrive at work tomorrow, efficincies mean you will be made redundant with your friends. You are gutted, then you find the company you work for is replacing you with temps/seasonal. You have a meeting in the canteen, get locked in, no chance of a leak, then you get sacked!
Those complaining about events today therefore in this situation would welcome thier future job taker with open arms!
Who is to blame?
All the comments above are based upon information freely available within the public domain.
GG staff sacked were mostly ex BA staff when BA divested itself of catering, so those sacked were presumably were once part of the T&G within BA.
The BA union representing the catering staff were anti sell off and have come out with GG staff in sympathy for the ex BA staff being shafted twice!
What do folk on five/six quid an hour have to lose, certainly thier loyalty and hard work over the years has come to nothing.
If you pay folk the minimum wage, you cannot blame them for standing up for themselves. Folk can only take so much shafting!
The current labour market rules in the staff favour as they only get paid under six quid per hour, what do they have to lose?
Instead of blaming the staff....focus attention on those cost cutting, for thier actions yesterday could have caused this fiasco.
Issue redundancy notices to staff presumably those transfered under TUPE? Then replace with temps and seasonal. No wonder they had a meeting to discuss thier options, but as a result got imprisoned, then sacked!
I have never quite seen eye to eye with the T&G, but on this, based upon my knowledge of events, BA must reap, what it has sown in the past!
Sadly the media will probably not report a balanced view and seek the REAL facts, they just show pi$$ed off pax. Has anyone interviewed the BA ground handling staff as to why they walked out?
If BA sack thier ground handling staff probably a lot of them on the min wage, there will be jobs going in GG!
Slag the unions off at your peril. Picture this, you arrive at work tomorrow, efficincies mean you will be made redundant with your friends. You are gutted, then you find the company you work for is replacing you with temps/seasonal. You have a meeting in the canteen, get locked in, no chance of a leak, then you get sacked!
Those complaining about events today therefore in this situation would welcome thier future job taker with open arms!
Who is to blame?
All the comments above are based upon information freely available within the public domain.
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EXACTLY BUSTER!!
and for those who asked
i have been kept informed on who is staging an ILLEGAL walk out AND why support has been granted to those treated so badly in CERTAIN ways.
and for those who asked
i have been kept informed on who is staging an ILLEGAL walk out AND why support has been granted to those treated so badly in CERTAIN ways.
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Frangatang and Wiggy,
Sorry that our airline looking after it's own people upsets you so much (Cabin Crew being told what's going on and offered HOTAC etc).
Thing is, if they want crews in place to use at short notice to help get the operation back on it's feet, much better to have them across the road in the Arora on QRS than sat at home, no?
In any event, during the last 'wildcat' ground staff strikes, I operated all over that period, and on one notable evening went well into discretion, going over proscribed duty times etc. and faced pi$$ed off pax to get them back to London, would have been quite within rights to have not operated. Got back to LHR so late there was no transport. No hotel for me, might have been a 14hour day, but I had to then spend 2 hours getting 3 nightbuses to get back across London.
But, as usual, i'm probably speaking to a brick wall as an increasing number of the pilot community on here seem to love perpetrating this kinda stuff in this 'us against them' culture.
Sorry that our airline looking after it's own people upsets you so much (Cabin Crew being told what's going on and offered HOTAC etc).
Thing is, if they want crews in place to use at short notice to help get the operation back on it's feet, much better to have them across the road in the Arora on QRS than sat at home, no?
In any event, during the last 'wildcat' ground staff strikes, I operated all over that period, and on one notable evening went well into discretion, going over proscribed duty times etc. and faced pi$$ed off pax to get them back to London, would have been quite within rights to have not operated. Got back to LHR so late there was no transport. No hotel for me, might have been a 14hour day, but I had to then spend 2 hours getting 3 nightbuses to get back across London.
But, as usual, i'm probably speaking to a brick wall as an increasing number of the pilot community on here seem to love perpetrating this kinda stuff in this 'us against them' culture.
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Just been announced hot off the BBC News....a statement from BA "No Flights ex LHR till at least (NOTE - At Least) 1800lt Friday
Now what happened to all the well hammered out dispute resolution procedures between Unions and Management.??
Supposed to sit round the table and air their grievances....Yeah.?
GG sack several hundred people....a reasonable move, and the staff react by eliciting the help of fellow unionists....also reasonable. Meanwhile the punters sitting with squalling kids and fractious fellow travellers who swear they will never fly BA again.....whether or not it's BA's fault. Reason goes out the window, a stronger, leaner BA spirals back down to square one again, and xxxx "Wins" Who "xxxx" is lord alone knows, but I do know it isn't the employer, or the employee.
What a waste....what a bloody silly stupid unecessary waste.
Foreign Airlines 25 - BA Nil. game over. 
As if all this wasn't bad enough, the number of Crews out of hours and out of position will take at least a week to clear even when they can begin to shift them. Bet their families aren't too chuffed either. If anybody has any ideas on who the winner is, answer on a Postcard please to..........
Nice farewell for Rod isn't it.? Hello Slick Willie...over to you.
The Floggings will continue until Morale improves. Anon
Now what happened to all the well hammered out dispute resolution procedures between Unions and Management.??
Supposed to sit round the table and air their grievances....Yeah.?
GG sack several hundred people....a reasonable move, and the staff react by eliciting the help of fellow unionists....also reasonable. Meanwhile the punters sitting with squalling kids and fractious fellow travellers who swear they will never fly BA again.....whether or not it's BA's fault. Reason goes out the window, a stronger, leaner BA spirals back down to square one again, and xxxx "Wins" Who "xxxx" is lord alone knows, but I do know it isn't the employer, or the employee.
What a waste....what a bloody silly stupid unecessary waste.
Foreign Airlines 25 - BA Nil. game over.
As if all this wasn't bad enough, the number of Crews out of hours and out of position will take at least a week to clear even when they can begin to shift them. Bet their families aren't too chuffed either. If anybody has any ideas on who the winner is, answer on a Postcard please to..........
Nice farewell for Rod isn't it.? Hello Slick Willie...over to you.
The Floggings will continue until Morale improves. Anon
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I would like to add to my comments above:
I understand a heavy hitter from across the pond used 'bully boy tactics' to force this situation as the negotiations with the unions relating to the shocking performance of GG and the need to reduce costs were becoming protracted even though redundancy notices had been agreed?
Look, if you are a BA bod or passenger, dont blame Mrs Singh or Smith for the strike, she is probably only on six quid an hour to produce gormet food, or if she is on more, it will be legal and and accepted cost to the GG business for assuming BA staff on TUPE, which is the law!
This strike, walk out, call it what you like, has years of deep routed shafting within. Tip of the iceberg?
I understand a heavy hitter from across the pond used 'bully boy tactics' to force this situation as the negotiations with the unions relating to the shocking performance of GG and the need to reduce costs were becoming protracted even though redundancy notices had been agreed?
Look, if you are a BA bod or passenger, dont blame Mrs Singh or Smith for the strike, she is probably only on six quid an hour to produce gormet food, or if she is on more, it will be legal and and accepted cost to the GG business for assuming BA staff on TUPE, which is the law!
This strike, walk out, call it what you like, has years of deep routed shafting within. Tip of the iceberg?