BA Unofficial Strike ( Merged)
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Baron Rouge. You make me laugh. You talk about the superiority of French social justice, etc. I'm sure the 12% of your population that is unemployed would probably take issue with that..... Oh, and why is it that thousands of your best and brightest are now living and working in London....could it be because they see a better future for them and their families in the UK, than continuing to live in what is slowly and surely in threat of becoming one of the great 'failed states' of all time, France.
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Out of interest, when was the last time easyjet crew went on strike? Or Ryanair?
Can't speak for TGWU, but my company's union is Amicus. By and large, those who are members know how to work the system, how to work as little as possible and how to leave the real work to non-members like me.
Can't speak for TGWU, but my company's union is Amicus. By and large, those who are members know how to work the system, how to work as little as possible and how to leave the real work to non-members like me.
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If the BA workers who have walked out on strike cannot be sacked then why not remove their staff travel privileges for a few years.
Might make life a bit easier for those wanting to travel using staff travel at peak times of the year.
Might make life a bit easier for those wanting to travel using staff travel at peak times of the year.
Baron Rouge, the French should really stop telling people what to do, thinking they have the answer to everything. Like stated before, you really aren't an example to follow these days.
When it comes to employment, standard of living and general civility, the UK comes out far ahead of France.
Des vrais donneurs de leçons...
On topic, from the BA website
When it comes to employment, standard of living and general civility, the UK comes out far ahead of France.
Des vrais donneurs de leçons...
On topic, from the BA website
British Airways has extended its flight cancellation programme at London Heathrow airport until 8pm tonight (UK time)Friday 12 August.
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BA strike, PAX could not leave plane
Heard today on NPR (WBUR) that PAX had to wait up to 7 hrs in their plane before they could leave as nobody moved the bridges. Though I certainly do not know if this is true it sounds pretty tough. Imagine you are with a baby or not felling that well (to avoid upcoming comments - good enough to fly, lets say with a cold or so). Being a PAX myself I remember times I had to sit on BOS on the gate as INS did not yet clear the plane for arrival. This was only 30 minutes but already annoying.
Can you sue BA for being held for 7hrs on a plan at the gate for illegal restraint? You could argue that this is force majeure and it was out of BAs hands but was it really? Certainly there must be someone who is able to move the bridge or something to let people out of the plane? Other airlines are operating currently as far as I know out of LHR. Just a thought.
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Can you sue BA for being held for 7hrs on a plan at the gate for illegal restraint? You could argue that this is force majeure and it was out of BAs hands but was it really? Certainly there must be someone who is able to move the bridge or something to let people out of the plane? Other airlines are operating currently as far as I know out of LHR. Just a thought.
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What's really funny about Baron's comments is that they are completely and totally irrelevant.
First off the strike is not about 'social conditions' or oppression etc etc. Its about the fact that Gate Gourment, having realised the seasonal nature of the demand for their product decided the best way to cater for this variation was to hire 'seasonal' staff to service additional demand.
This was percieved by the Union as a potential way fo reducing the permant staff's rights and priviledges in the future. After all if seasonal staff can do the job why pay extra for permanent.
So instead of sitting down with the management and asking them to consider the seasonal nature of the demand and ways of ensuring this seasonal staff was protected and supported to the same extent as permanent they did the usual Union response of striking... hence the sackings.....
Secondary action is Union promoted action not necessarily originating from the work force.
The real gripe is that Unions are seeing hteir power base erroded by their own often reactionary stance on working practices, worker education and flexibility etc etc....
So Baron's comments are not only based on limited knowledge of the situation but also limited knowledge of current UK working practices.....
First off the strike is not about 'social conditions' or oppression etc etc. Its about the fact that Gate Gourment, having realised the seasonal nature of the demand for their product decided the best way to cater for this variation was to hire 'seasonal' staff to service additional demand.
This was percieved by the Union as a potential way fo reducing the permant staff's rights and priviledges in the future. After all if seasonal staff can do the job why pay extra for permanent.
So instead of sitting down with the management and asking them to consider the seasonal nature of the demand and ways of ensuring this seasonal staff was protected and supported to the same extent as permanent they did the usual Union response of striking... hence the sackings.....
Secondary action is Union promoted action not necessarily originating from the work force.
The real gripe is that Unions are seeing hteir power base erroded by their own often reactionary stance on working practices, worker education and flexibility etc etc....
So Baron's comments are not only based on limited knowledge of the situation but also limited knowledge of current UK working practices.....
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ITN news just had the following information;
"The following airlines are affected by the strikes; Quantas, Air Lanka, BM Airways flights".
Poor old jorno's. ITN must have pulled the best looking teenager to write the headline of the day for them.
Qantas, SriLankan & BMED
"The following airlines are affected by the strikes; Quantas, Air Lanka, BM Airways flights".
Poor old jorno's. ITN must have pulled the best looking teenager to write the headline of the day for them.
Qantas, SriLankan & BMED
I am a BA shareholder.
One of BA's suppliers (GG) is in breach of its supply contract. As a result of that, the contract should be terminated and re-tendered as soon as practical, with a view to changing supplier and reducing costs. The breach of contract by the supplier makes its terms unenforceable by them.
I hope my airline sues TGWU for all of its lost revenue, and if necessary, the illegally striking employees as individuals. A few personal bankruptcies amongst these industrial terrorists might focus their 'minds'.
Buster talks about £5-6 per hour. Later in the thread a minimum of £7 per hour is quoted. That'll be plus the perks of the job and potential overtime earnings. Not bad earnings in anyone's book, unless of course you're a Union militant.
I trust my management team will take control of this situation and restore BA's fortunes after this debacle.
One of BA's suppliers (GG) is in breach of its supply contract. As a result of that, the contract should be terminated and re-tendered as soon as practical, with a view to changing supplier and reducing costs. The breach of contract by the supplier makes its terms unenforceable by them.
I hope my airline sues TGWU for all of its lost revenue, and if necessary, the illegally striking employees as individuals. A few personal bankruptcies amongst these industrial terrorists might focus their 'minds'.
Buster talks about £5-6 per hour. Later in the thread a minimum of £7 per hour is quoted. That'll be plus the perks of the job and potential overtime earnings. Not bad earnings in anyone's book, unless of course you're a Union militant.
I trust my management team will take control of this situation and restore BA's fortunes after this debacle.
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Without making any comment on the illegal strike as I’ve absolutely no idea on the facts, since when is £5-6 per hour “Not bad earnings in anyone's book”?
£10Kish a year assuming a 40 hr week seems pretty dismal to me.
Without making any comment on the illegal strike as I’ve absolutely no idea on the facts, since when is £5-6 per hour “Not bad earnings in anyone's book”?
£10Kish a year assuming a 40 hr week seems pretty dismal to me.
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My comments related to unskilled labour, not the whole labour market. Have a look at employment agencies in Uxbridge, Hounslow, Feltham etc then tell me the average wage for unskilled staff is over £14,000.
My comments related to unskilled labour, not the whole labour market. Have a look at employment agencies in Uxbridge, Hounslow, Feltham etc then tell me the average wage for unskilled staff is over £14,000.
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LGS6753 - The (official) data on gross average hourly earnings suggests that the averages for the 33 London boroughs are as follows:[list=1][*] City of London £28.20[*] Tower Hamlets £23.98[*] Islington £21.66[*] City of Westminster £20.14[*] Camden £18.47[*] Lambeth £17.58[*] Hammersmith and Fulham £17.04[*] Southwark £16.95[*] Kensington and Chelsea £15.75[*] Hounslow £15.62[*] Hackney £15.56[*] Barnet £15.37[*] Harrow £14.99[*] Hillingdon £14.98[*] Richmond upon Thames £14.94[*] Kingston upon Thames £14.82[*] Wandsworth £14.53[*] Ealing £14.46[*] Enfield £14.42[*] Barking and Dagenham £14.35[*] Newham £13.77[*] Lewisham £13.56[*] Merton £13.50[*] Croydon £13.22[*] Greenwich £13.19[*] Sutton £12.90[*] Redbridge £12.89[*] Bromley £12.74[*] Haringey £12.67[*] Brent £11.92[*] Waltham Forest £11.80[*] Bexley £11.12[*] Havering £10.46[/list=1]
For the (London) region as a whole, the average hourly pay is £17.51 - which is £4.76 per hour above the UK average of £12.75 per hour.
Please remind us once again what the staff at GG where being paid per hour ?
LGS6753 - Just how the !*£ˆ$! is somebody living in a London borough supposed to live on £14k pa, as you suggest - and / or indeed could you ?!
My Cousin is a scaffolder / labourer in London (unskilled?!) and he takes home more than me !
If you pay peanuts and you get monkeys !
Nb. Posted out of sequence with LGS6753 previous response due me deleting and reposting ... somewhat as ships in the night
For the (London) region as a whole, the average hourly pay is £17.51 - which is £4.76 per hour above the UK average of £12.75 per hour.
Please remind us once again what the staff at GG where being paid per hour ?
LGS6753 - Just how the !*£ˆ$! is somebody living in a London borough supposed to live on £14k pa, as you suggest - and / or indeed could you ?!
My Cousin is a scaffolder / labourer in London (unskilled?!) and he takes home more than me !
If you pay peanuts and you get monkeys !
Nb. Posted out of sequence with LGS6753 previous response due me deleting and reposting ... somewhat as ships in the night
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Sorry, but – the equivalent of a gallon and a half of petrol an hour just cannot be called “Not bad earnings in anyone's book”
As I stated, I have no idea on the strike and therefore I make no comments on it, but to make statement that £5-6 or even £7 is a good salary is IMHO just not right and perks?
Perks are cars, medical insurance etc..NOT unlimited overtime, shiftwork etc…
Certainly these workers would not be shareholders in any company!!
Sorry, but – the equivalent of a gallon and a half of petrol an hour just cannot be called “Not bad earnings in anyone's book”
As I stated, I have no idea on the strike and therefore I make no comments on it, but to make statement that £5-6 or even £7 is a good salary is IMHO just not right and perks?
Perks are cars, medical insurance etc..NOT unlimited overtime, shiftwork etc…
Certainly these workers would not be shareholders in any company!!
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LGS6753 - Just how the !*£ˆ$! is somebody living in a London borough supposed to live on £14k pa, as you suggest - and / or indeed could you ?!
by living 14 to a house with wife kids and mother in law, having picnics on restaurant forecourts and blowing all the collective money on a garish boy racer version of a BMW, oh and having a van to get eveyone to the airport to see a minor relative off on staff travel who isnt entitled but shares the same name.
When work gets too hard ,ie more thn 2 bags an hour or you cant con a tourist out of 10 quid to move a siutcase 10 feet, or your housesharing relatives get laid off , you can always go on strike.
Country is on its arse.
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Guys, as a skiled worker having paid around £50,000 for my qualification and worked hard for it I am lucky to earn £7.50 per hour. My actual average in that part of my work is likely to be less than £5 per hour. That is the market. If they have skills that are worth more, resign and take that better-paid job.
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We are getting away from the issue entirely. The end result will be that the illegal strikers at BA will be welcome back to work and an increase in the costs of GG will also have to be met by BA. For those travellers and share holders I apologise unreservedly but suggest for the latter you purchase sensible shares. The CAS flt is a GB operation no doubt loaded by GB staff.