Another bmibaby route going to Air Wales
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Another bmibaby route going to Air Wales
Looks like Air Wales are taking on the Cardiff-Paris CDG schedule this summer fro bmibaby, with flight times increasing to 2 hours duration, and the introduction of a second weekday flight mon-fri departures from CWL at 0700 and 1520, Saturdays at 1340 and Sundays at 1550.
With more and more routes going to 6G, Air Wales should come to an arrangement to take over the 2 CWL based 737s and let bmibaby concentrate on it's activities elsewhere. CWL's low fares airline should be Air Wales, not bmibaby. 737s and ATR42s.
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With more and more routes going to 6G, Air Wales should come to an arrangement to take over the 2 CWL based 737s and let bmibaby concentrate on it's activities elsewhere. CWL's low fares airline should be Air Wales, not bmibaby. 737s and ATR42s.
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I think that 6G are doing the extra rotation not taking the route.
There are rumblings of third 737 for CWL but personally I think that is a pipe dream, this year. Capacity would be increased with 2 300s, which I think is the plan from suumer 05 onwards.
There are rumblings of third 737 for CWL but personally I think that is a pipe dream, this year. Capacity would be increased with 2 300s, which I think is the plan from suumer 05 onwards.
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If you do a test booking for on the bmibaby website for CWL-CDG in the summer schedule it clearly states that all flights are operated by Air Wales on this route.
CWL does have two based baby 737s and a look at the summer timetable means this will continue, unless they are to use Air Wales ATRs for ALC and AGP. Don't think so somehow.
CWL does have two based baby 737s and a look at the summer timetable means this will continue, unless they are to use Air Wales ATRs for ALC and AGP. Don't think so somehow.
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Why on earth would BMIbaby commit suicide and go to BRS. They would have to take on U2, probably the most dominant LCC in the UK.
Plus, CWL is doing very well for them; however due to an Aircraft shortage they are transferring the shorter routes to Air Wales with also increased route frequency on some routes.
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Plus, CWL is doing very well for them; however due to an Aircraft shortage they are transferring the shorter routes to Air Wales with also increased route frequency on some routes.
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Chris
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Plus, CWL is doing very well for them; however due to an Aircraft shortage they are transferring the shorter routes to Air Wales with also increased route frequency on some routes.
Baby is lacking direction, focus and leadership. What low cost 737 carrier dampleases flights onto an ATR operation? How much time is spent worrying about these routes rather than the huge problems they must be having in EMA and BHX with all the additional competition. What low cost carrier has a 1 aircraft base?
Why on earth would BMIbaby commit suicide and go to BRS. They would have to take on U2, probably the most dominant LCC in the UK.
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According to Sir Michael, Baby is the only profitable part of BMI. Every time the management comment on performance, they say how well Baby and CWL in particular, is doing.
Whatever the reason for Baby's birth, it is still here and GO a fond memory. This may or may not be the case in future, who knows.
The reasons for CWL doing well may be varied but it seems that there is growth (if only by going to 300s and extra ATR rotations).
Why do some people want to have a go at Baby at all costs?
'Baby lacks focus, leadership.....' have to say you are right there.
Whatever the reason for Baby's birth, it is still here and GO a fond memory. This may or may not be the case in future, who knows.
The reasons for CWL doing well may be varied but it seems that there is growth (if only by going to 300s and extra ATR rotations).
Why do some people want to have a go at Baby at all costs?
'Baby lacks focus, leadership.....' have to say you are right there.
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Copenhagen has it about right, IMHO. baby is just playing at being a LCC. It needs considerably more expansion in the right places otherwise it can only end up one way.....absorbed by another operator or out of business.
The CWL reshuffle is a climb down/cut back.
EMA is crumbling as a baby base. Easyjet and Ryanair have just about won at EMA. The scrap is now between those two.
Once again, Copenhagen has the correct reason for baby's birth. It was a "copy cat" reaction by a management which, up to that point, had been spouting on about falling passenger figures at EMA and a need to downsize from Fokker 100 and 70 types to Embraer "tiddlers"!!!!!! bmi Mainline pilots had already been warned, some years earlier, of a relocation to LHR, lock, stock and barrel.
GO is a "fond memory", because it was effectively Easyjet with a GO paint scheme when it turned up at EMA. GO did'nt fail as an operator at EMA, it was the same operator which just shed one paint scheme and put on another when hangar time and downtime was available. The beast under the skin was the same carnivore we see there today
To imply that GO failed at EMA is the reverse of the truth, therefore. GO/Easyjet is currently seeing off baby at EMA.
The CWL reshuffle is a climb down/cut back.
EMA is crumbling as a baby base. Easyjet and Ryanair have just about won at EMA. The scrap is now between those two.
Whatever the reason for Baby's birth, it is still here and GO a fond memory.
GO is a "fond memory", because it was effectively Easyjet with a GO paint scheme when it turned up at EMA. GO did'nt fail as an operator at EMA, it was the same operator which just shed one paint scheme and put on another when hangar time and downtime was available. The beast under the skin was the same carnivore we see there today
To imply that GO failed at EMA is the reverse of the truth, therefore. GO/Easyjet is currently seeing off baby at EMA.
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Well if baby are making money out of CWL it shows what a good decision it is to involve Air Wales on the leaner services thereby maximising revenue potential rather than operating at a loss.
With the success of Flybe with the Dash8-400, and the ATR with Air Wales, perhaps it is becoming clear that turbo props CAN fly successfully for loco airlines.
Well done to the operating partnership of Air Wales and Baby
With the success of Flybe with the Dash8-400, and the ATR with Air Wales, perhaps it is becoming clear that turbo props CAN fly successfully for loco airlines.
Well done to the operating partnership of Air Wales and Baby
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Speedbird Heavy,
It would show that BMI baby are struggling to fill the 737 on these routes. However, lets say for arguments sake they are 1/2 filling the 73s many even 1/3 filling them, by changing the route to an ATR, they are changing a loss making route into a profit making route.
It would seem that people want to slate baby for making what would seem like a good business decision. After all, a nearly full ATR is much better for the books than a half full 73.
And the routes cant be that bad anyway, rumour is that there are two AT72 on order for Air Wales and that primarily these will be used for the paris route. I belive the first arrives in May?
It would show that BMI baby are struggling to fill the 737 on these routes. However, lets say for arguments sake they are 1/2 filling the 73s many even 1/3 filling them, by changing the route to an ATR, they are changing a loss making route into a profit making route.
It would seem that people want to slate baby for making what would seem like a good business decision. After all, a nearly full ATR is much better for the books than a half full 73.
And the routes cant be that bad anyway, rumour is that there are two AT72 on order for Air Wales and that primarily these will be used for the paris route. I belive the first arrives in May?
I agree with Vont Phood and Turn it off, I think Baby's use of Air Wales shows their commitment to operating out of CWL and a desire to gorw routes. If they didn't care about it as a base they'd simply drop the routes and pull out having made a loss, but by using Air Wales for example they are able to match their costs and earnings far better; plus it's good for Air Wales as well.
Win Win really.
Win Win really.
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Loads on most routes are pretty good.
CDG and EDI most times over the 100 mark. Spanish & PRG routes far better than this, most of the time. Guess with additional summer rotations and FARO being added 2 A/C could not do all the routes and putting BFS onto an ATR with more rotations does seem to make some sense. Sure Baby could fill 3 737s but could not crew No:3 with only 7 COs and hige retention problems. Already lots of Hotac & taxiing from EMA/BHX.
Company needs to find it's way, that's true. Many chances have been squandered by management.
CDG and EDI most times over the 100 mark. Spanish & PRG routes far better than this, most of the time. Guess with additional summer rotations and FARO being added 2 A/C could not do all the routes and putting BFS onto an ATR with more rotations does seem to make some sense. Sure Baby could fill 3 737s but could not crew No:3 with only 7 COs and hige retention problems. Already lots of Hotac & taxiing from EMA/BHX.
Company needs to find it's way, that's true. Many chances have been squandered by management.
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do u mean there is a problem with pilots wishing to re-locate to Cardiff/Wales?
The EDI route seems to be doing incredibly well. Its as if they are cutting and handing over routes that attract high costs i.e Paris CDG etc.
The cardiff market is a tricky one though. Not too affluent (im being serious here) and so routes to places like Nice, Biaritz, Milan, Geneva and Scandinavia may not work.
However, Bucket and spade and Spanish/southern med routes are under-served!
The EDI route seems to be doing incredibly well. Its as if they are cutting and handing over routes that attract high costs i.e Paris CDG etc.
The cardiff market is a tricky one though. Not too affluent (im being serious here) and so routes to places like Nice, Biaritz, Milan, Geneva and Scandinavia may not work.
However, Bucket and spade and Spanish/southern med routes are under-served!
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Nakata77,
I am very offended by your reply. Maybe you should actually take a look at the amount of affluence and money in South Wales.
The majority of South Wales is growing economically with many home grown companies being based here along with foreign investment, for example Sony.
Cardiff is one of the most sought after places to live in the United Kingdom and is booming housing and economically wise.
Cardiff is becoming one of the finest and prosperous maritime cities in Europe. I am not even going to mention the tourism factor that Wales and Cardiff has, especially with huge sporting events taking place.
As for routes to Nice, Milan, Geneva and Scandinavia routes. Many of these routes are not operated by BMIbaby, e.g. Milan, Oslo, Helsinki, Copenhagen from any of their bases. Are you saying that Manchester is not affluent and that the Midlands are not?
Yes, there are less well off areas in Wales, but that is the same anywhere in the UK..
As for the routes to the Med, yes they should be increased in frequency, however BMIbaby do not seem to be making note of this.
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Chris
I am very offended by your reply. Maybe you should actually take a look at the amount of affluence and money in South Wales.
The majority of South Wales is growing economically with many home grown companies being based here along with foreign investment, for example Sony.
Cardiff is one of the most sought after places to live in the United Kingdom and is booming housing and economically wise.
Cardiff is becoming one of the finest and prosperous maritime cities in Europe. I am not even going to mention the tourism factor that Wales and Cardiff has, especially with huge sporting events taking place.
As for routes to Nice, Milan, Geneva and Scandinavia routes. Many of these routes are not operated by BMIbaby, e.g. Milan, Oslo, Helsinki, Copenhagen from any of their bases. Are you saying that Manchester is not affluent and that the Midlands are not?
Yes, there are less well off areas in Wales, but that is the same anywhere in the UK..
As for the routes to the Med, yes they should be increased in frequency, however BMIbaby do not seem to be making note of this.
Regards,
Chris
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unfortunately you have taken my comment personally. It is a fact im afraid that GDP and Propensity to fly in Wales is low, (not the lowest in the UK though) and the CAA have just released information indicating that it is actually affluent people making more journeys rather than less well-off people starting to fly that is helping LCC prosper. Probably why Teeside remains a 1 aircraft base as well. Second homes owners account for a large number of low cost passengers too and in Wales, the number of second home owners abroad is not as substantial as in other areas.
Sorry if my comment caused offence.
Sorry if my comment caused offence.