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I know from my colleague in Dublin that they have been asked to clarify their press release by Irish Govt. DOT pending clarification of their operations under DenimAir AOC ex Galway. Also IAA has queried Thursday safety and thresholds on use of RJ to Malaga off the 1350m runway at GWY. They are expected to bid now for the PSO routes on GWY and KIR using the AOC of Denim. Irish Govt. is not interested in seeing airlines fail and passengers losing money. Particulary when the Dept's moeny is being used to support this operation.
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DW11 and runwayedge I refer you to the brother's post above, you really think this game can continue for much longer, wake up
I don't think its my knowledgae of the industry you should be questioning.
I don't think its my knowledgae of the industry you should be questioning.
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I have just re-read all the posts on this thread and the same thing as the brother mentioned struck me - bidding for a PSO. Why else would Euromanx be interested in expanding into Ireland ? Their name has been mentioned on other threads ( I think) as a possible for the PSOs up for grabs with the Irish Gov. I wonder if their interest in Irish expansion is dependant on getting some of the cash being promised. They announce new routes from Galway to CDG, AGP and LCY. I'd love to see their proposed rotations - they dont fly to three of these at present.
As for Galway Airport, they would welcome anyone with open arms as long as it lessens their dependance on RE - remember the spats with the RE bosses last year. Galway is almost a one airline airport - the only other airline at present is BA to GLA and even that was supposed encouraged to get up RE noses, wjo were interested but who ended up with EDI instead. As far as I remember Air Wales were the first mentioned for that route.
Someone would want to show Euromanx a map of the west of Ireland and show them how close Galway is to NOC and SNN. There are really good charters at present from NOC (fog permitting) to AGP - which Euromanx would find it hard to match. NOC is one hour from Galway City (most of the time). Likewise with SNN and Ryanair flying to BVA it's only an hour away too.
Why do you think RE have stuck to flying to Lorient in Brittany instead ?
The Highwayman.
P.S. I don't know a lot about RJs - but could they do Galway to Malaga on a full load with a short runway ?
Forgot to include EUjet from SNN to AGP once a week as well - more competition for Euromanx
As for Galway Airport, they would welcome anyone with open arms as long as it lessens their dependance on RE - remember the spats with the RE bosses last year. Galway is almost a one airline airport - the only other airline at present is BA to GLA and even that was supposed encouraged to get up RE noses, wjo were interested but who ended up with EDI instead. As far as I remember Air Wales were the first mentioned for that route.
Someone would want to show Euromanx a map of the west of Ireland and show them how close Galway is to NOC and SNN. There are really good charters at present from NOC (fog permitting) to AGP - which Euromanx would find it hard to match. NOC is one hour from Galway City (most of the time). Likewise with SNN and Ryanair flying to BVA it's only an hour away too.
Why do you think RE have stuck to flying to Lorient in Brittany instead ?
The Highwayman.
P.S. I don't know a lot about RJs - but could they do Galway to Malaga on a full load with a short runway ?
Forgot to include EUjet from SNN to AGP once a week as well - more competition for Euromanx
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Again another contributor who cannot get facts right. 3W currently fly LCY. If you have an opinion try and make it fact based. Try getting from GWY to SNN in one hour...impossible. This thread is becoming boring. Knock, Knock, Knock, and that's not referring to an airport. I would love to be so opinionated, but I suppose it's boring when you have to trade in facts! Some people cannot handle SNN, NOC and GWY developing their business...good luck to them!
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One would suspect any airline bidding for a European PSO route would have an AOC, a piece of paper Euromanx are alas missing at the moment. For the moment, it remains a travel agency selling tickets on behalf of Denim Air and wet leasing aircraft from a variety of airlines to perform its flights. Lots of rumblings about an Austrian AOC being imminent but, as of now, they do not have an AOC or an "AOC of convenience" to allow them operate in their own right and be called an airline. After the Euroceltic mess, the likelihood of any Irish civil servant letting Euromanx through the door with a PSO proposal is remote as, well, the Isle of Man really!
I have no doubt their services from Galway will be successful if they start on the right footing, specifically if they turn up on April 18th with the jet as promised and operate all the services promised. Delivering on announcements has not been their strong point of late, and the paucity of specifics about the Galway operation is a tad concerning. If they start well, they will succeed and also put pressure on RE to get their LTN schedules consistent and good. If euromanx do not deliver, they may kiss the west of Ireland good bye. Arriving on RE's patch with a jet is a coup, arriving with a wet leased turboprop when everyone wants to see the promised jet would be bad form.
One hopes that they will get the little AOC complication sorted out soon and start flying the RJ70's. How many remains to be seen but, unless the boffins in BAe managed to get the RJ70's bi-location capability sorted out, at least three units are to be assumed up and running by April 18th, although it may be that Flightline are retained until Euromanx-the airline sort out LCY certification for their own aircraft, crews and training?.
I have no doubt their services from Galway will be successful if they start on the right footing, specifically if they turn up on April 18th with the jet as promised and operate all the services promised. Delivering on announcements has not been their strong point of late, and the paucity of specifics about the Galway operation is a tad concerning. If they start well, they will succeed and also put pressure on RE to get their LTN schedules consistent and good. If euromanx do not deliver, they may kiss the west of Ireland good bye. Arriving on RE's patch with a jet is a coup, arriving with a wet leased turboprop when everyone wants to see the promised jet would be bad form.
One hopes that they will get the little AOC complication sorted out soon and start flying the RJ70's. How many remains to be seen but, unless the boffins in BAe managed to get the RJ70's bi-location capability sorted out, at least three units are to be assumed up and running by April 18th, although it may be that Flightline are retained until Euromanx-the airline sort out LCY certification for their own aircraft, crews and training?.
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Anyone got any idea what's happening with the proposed MAN route? It all seems to have gone quiet in that direction since Glway was mentioned.
Has it been quietly sidelined?
I notice it still does not appear on the timetable,
skiddy
Has it been quietly sidelined?
I notice it still does not appear on the timetable,
skiddy
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Guys Jetmagic couldn't do once a day LCY from ORK, I know there are so many more options from ORK, however I think Euro manx are being incredibly nieve if they think they will make a go of LCY and CDG from Galway. FR have already got a foothold in the West of Ireland and now EZY also, and with fares so low Euromanx cannot compete.
They will also have trouble selling AGP, as it will be cheaper to fly from Shannon with EUjet, twice a week from 27th march onwards. I usually don't come out against decisions by airlines to have a go, but I cannot even see the promise in this enterprize!!
They will also have trouble selling AGP, as it will be cheaper to fly from Shannon with EUjet, twice a week from 27th march onwards. I usually don't come out against decisions by airlines to have a go, but I cannot even see the promise in this enterprize!!
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Ye, Ye, Ye, Ye, GWY is the third largest City in Ireland, fastest growing in Europe, two hours drive from SNN, next wealthiest and educated outside DUB. Two reasons CRK failed, one rotation to LCY a day was always a non runner, considering they were competing with EI and FR, frequency works, secondly Jet Magic never got their brand penetration right. Hopefully, 3W will. RE have managed it very well out of GWY and continue to grow. Niche market my man, not many of them left, just surprised it has taken so long, 3W are on to a winner if the package is right!
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runwayedge - think GWY is a lot less than 2 hours from SNN, and that will be a lot more certain post Ennis bypass.
In fact - aaireland.ie records the distance between GWY and SNN as 84.5km taking 1h 12mins. This will probably be more like 1hour dead with Newmarket on Fergus open and the Ennis bypass open (which takes a more direct eastern route than the existing road through the town).
In fact - aaireland.ie records the distance between GWY and SNN as 84.5km taking 1h 12mins. This will probably be more like 1hour dead with Newmarket on Fergus open and the Ennis bypass open (which takes a more direct eastern route than the existing road through the town).
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MarkD, thanks for that. I use same route regularly, up and down from Donegal to Cork and I agree it can be done in 1hr 10mins, and I have done it in that time myself, but if I was travelling to catch a flight I would allow 3 hours, as it does often take up to two hours on the road, and a further hour to park, check-in and move to gate. The bypass at Ennis will take a long time to complete though. Still negates from the main point that GWY has an ample population to support its own niche market, be it RE, BA, 3W or whomever.
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Runawayedge- I am Irish too and now alot about the Irish market- Jetmagic started at 3 a day, except Tuesdays, went down to two a day and then at the end one a day!! and we can all wish for companies to do well and I hope I'm wrong and that another service starts from an Irish airport and is a success, but the truth of the matter is you are talking about London City, and CDG from Galway. It's a non starter with FR and EZY now in that part of the country and for their AGP flights they will get hammered by VE. VE have 30million in the bank, and have not spent in Ireland yet- I am sure if they need to they will and AGP, the only route that has any chance will also be a non-runner. But I do say- I hope I'm wrong and this is from somebody who really wanted GX to work, an airline that had much more of a chance from a niche airport!
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Can't find any reference to VE either. Well it looks like this is doomed to failure, if you believe all the postings. There is no market to London from or to Galway or indeed Paris. Well, well, well and Knock on the top of a mountain with no catchment area (no disprespect) is going to thrive. Let's all fly loco! Niche markets don't exist any more, they are a thing of the past. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
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Runwayedge,
Re my previous post - I'm not knocking Galway Airport - it's just that there's lots of local politics involved. As regards 3W and LCY I'm not in dispute with you - you'll notice that I said they don't fly to three of the airports mentioned (GLY, AGP and CDG) at present. I have seen them in LCY previously.
At least half of the catchment area of Galway Airport is on the eastern/southern side of the city and well within an hour (or an hour and a half) of SNN especially if you are heading for an early morning flight with FR or EI to London. I do it often enough to know what I'm talking about. I do accept that the check-in times for Galway are a lot less than SNN so you don't need to be there as early.
I believe that there is possibly loads of room for Euromanx from Galway - if they do turn up on time with a jet instead of a turbo-prop and market it properly. People in Galway know about RE and their routes to the UK and France because they market them - in the papers (and even on the side of an articulated truck at Oranmore near the airport). If Euromanx want to succeed they need to do the same - and get people to think about them first (and then pitch their prices at somewhere reasonable - and then make sure they are reliable about turning up). Niche markets are all very well - but they dont give you good load factors all year round.
One other thing - in Ireland we tend to think about where we can fly to from here (and not necessarily the other way round). MOL for all his faults has recognised this - he is more interested in getting people to fly into SNN from Europe than in getting people to fly from SNN to places like Sweden and Germany - why ? Because there are larger population bases there to tap into than the total population of the West of Ireland. If Euromanx want to make these routes succeed they may need to work on this idea too. I still reckon they have an eye on a PSO or two.
P.S. A friend of mine who worked for sometime for an airline who use NOC used to tell stories about knowing SNN better than it - because of the number of times he was diverted there.
Re my previous post - I'm not knocking Galway Airport - it's just that there's lots of local politics involved. As regards 3W and LCY I'm not in dispute with you - you'll notice that I said they don't fly to three of the airports mentioned (GLY, AGP and CDG) at present. I have seen them in LCY previously.
At least half of the catchment area of Galway Airport is on the eastern/southern side of the city and well within an hour (or an hour and a half) of SNN especially if you are heading for an early morning flight with FR or EI to London. I do it often enough to know what I'm talking about. I do accept that the check-in times for Galway are a lot less than SNN so you don't need to be there as early.
I believe that there is possibly loads of room for Euromanx from Galway - if they do turn up on time with a jet instead of a turbo-prop and market it properly. People in Galway know about RE and their routes to the UK and France because they market them - in the papers (and even on the side of an articulated truck at Oranmore near the airport). If Euromanx want to succeed they need to do the same - and get people to think about them first (and then pitch their prices at somewhere reasonable - and then make sure they are reliable about turning up). Niche markets are all very well - but they dont give you good load factors all year round.
One other thing - in Ireland we tend to think about where we can fly to from here (and not necessarily the other way round). MOL for all his faults has recognised this - he is more interested in getting people to fly into SNN from Europe than in getting people to fly from SNN to places like Sweden and Germany - why ? Because there are larger population bases there to tap into than the total population of the West of Ireland. If Euromanx want to make these routes succeed they may need to work on this idea too. I still reckon they have an eye on a PSO or two.
P.S. A friend of mine who worked for sometime for an airline who use NOC used to tell stories about knowing SNN better than it - because of the number of times he was diverted there.
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The discussion (thankfully) is now returning to a civil realistic level.
According to sources (taxi drivers mainly !) Denim may alledgedly now be asking for payment before they fly!
What news on the RJ's.
According to sources (taxi drivers mainly !) Denim may alledgedly now be asking for payment before they fly!
What news on the RJ's.
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Hansol....for purposes of clarity what taxi drivers and where....in GWY (where you allegeldy live) in DUB or IOM. An alleged banker who listens to taxi drivers......thanks highwayman....good post