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Is it worth mentioning again that HUY carries only half a million pax annually, and DSA carries 1.3 million?!
DSA has a shiny new terminal, motivated staff (from what I have seen), it has bars and shops (with more to come post Summer), it has regular and fairly comprehensive bus services, and what can be called a REAL link to a PROPER railway station.
In my opinion, HUY has an ugly terminal, minging leftover from EMA seats and a horrid yellow smokers corner, it has a mini bar airside, that sells homemade sandwiches, it has a tiny alpha store, and, that's it! oh, and I forgot to mention, horrid 'i wish i worked at dsa' staff - and an MD that thinks if he keeps saying 'things will only get better' then they will. No transport links (apart from that stagecoach thing that not many people go on), and the joke they call a rail link - huh! This is all my opinion.
You are not the voice of everyone, many people local to HUY love it! The staff on my experiences are very proffesional!
He added that within two years, he was "very hopeful" a major 'flag carrier' airline such as British Airways could be flying from Finningley.
Why would the likes of BA even take the risk of operating from DSA? If you remember they pulled most of their regional services and palmed them off to Eastern!
Why can you believe the crap Mr Ryall is feeding you but were not to believe, in your opinion, what Mr Goldsmith tells us?
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I've read all these posts and live @30 miles from both DSA and HUY so would use either airport. I don't understand the amount of sniping going on between supporters of each airport. IMO each has it's own pros/cons and I think each will grow in the future. But we have to be realistic here; HUY will probably get another scheduled service in the next 2-3 years; my money would be AF to Paris. I doubt that a loco will open a base here; Flybe seemed only the likely one and the rumours seem to have died away. Any loco service will be wih a non-based a/c ie. Monarch from/to Malaga? The Excel news offers a big advantage with a based a/c as (I'm suprised no-onelse has mentioned) you get much longer at your holiday destination when using a a/c based at the UK departure airport.
Regards DSA, I hope it grows to offer a balanced range of services i.e Some long haul scheduled flights. But any idea of BA launching services is dreaming; just look at MAN. (BA seem happy to feed most passengers on the shuttle to LHR for medium/long haul and BACX offer limited choice on small a/c).
These are my predictions for new DSA services over next 2 years:
CO to EWR (or AA to JFK)
EK to DXB
A German loco and an East European one.
Flybe base
Regards DSA, I hope it grows to offer a balanced range of services i.e Some long haul scheduled flights. But any idea of BA launching services is dreaming; just look at MAN. (BA seem happy to feed most passengers on the shuttle to LHR for medium/long haul and BACX offer limited choice on small a/c).
These are my predictions for new DSA services over next 2 years:
CO to EWR (or AA to JFK)
EK to DXB
A German loco and an East European one.
Flybe base
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Well said DC10
I think as much as we would like a lo-co at HUY it is very unlikely to happen BUT definately a couple more scheduled routes are likely to crop up in the future!
If Excel up their frequency on the main ALC PMI and AGP routes then i dont think we would need a lo-co anyway IMO.
Good news from both airports should be seen only as great for the region! There is no need to slate each other as has been said and people need not be bitter! Lakeside 84 and Holidaymax, listen to what we have to say and dont try and knock HUY down at every oppertunity!
Found this on a website for airport advertisement opertunities! May be of interest to some! IMO they realy need to concentrate on the Hull area and Lincs!
I think as much as we would like a lo-co at HUY it is very unlikely to happen BUT definately a couple more scheduled routes are likely to crop up in the future!
If Excel up their frequency on the main ALC PMI and AGP routes then i dont think we would need a lo-co anyway IMO.
Good news from both airports should be seen only as great for the region! There is no need to slate each other as has been said and people need not be bitter! Lakeside 84 and Holidaymax, listen to what we have to say and dont try and knock HUY down at every oppertunity!
Passenger Origination Total %
Hull / East Yorkshire 180,969 36
Grimsby / Cleethorpes 125,673 25
Scunthorpe / North Lincs 90,484 18
South Yorkshire 25,135 5
Lincolnshire 55,296 11
West Yorkshire 15,081 3
North Yorkshire 10,053 2
Hull / East Yorkshire 180,969 36
Grimsby / Cleethorpes 125,673 25
Scunthorpe / North Lincs 90,484 18
South Yorkshire 25,135 5
Lincolnshire 55,296 11
West Yorkshire 15,081 3
North Yorkshire 10,053 2
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listen to what we have to say and dont try and knock HUY down at every oppertunity!
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You will find that most of us 'HUY supporters' are very accomodating when it comes to DSA. When have i knocked DSA?
You must understand that as soon as some good news comes out at HUY (Ok so it may not be as big as whats happening at DSA) we will shout about it! I would just the same if, say, CO come in to DSA and start up a Newark route! That would be great! And i suspect most of us on here would be quite chuffed too!
Please dont forget though that this is a Humberside happenings page NOT a DSA happenings page, we will be talking about the goings on at HUY and to some people your coming on here ranting and raving about how rubbish (in your possibly biased opinion) it may be and yes poeple do get annoyed!
I would be greatful if you could be more supportive of us on here, afterall as ive said we do support DSA and i know that HUY has a hell of a tough job than DSA ever will in supporting the region it serves!
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You must understand that as soon as some good news comes out at HUY (Ok so it may not be as big as whats happening at DSA) we will shout about it! I would just the same if, say, CO come in to DSA and start up a Newark route! That would be great! And i suspect most of us on here would be quite chuffed too!
Please dont forget though that this is a Humberside happenings page NOT a DSA happenings page, we will be talking about the goings on at HUY and to some people your coming on here ranting and raving about how rubbish (in your possibly biased opinion) it may be and yes poeple do get annoyed!
I would be greatful if you could be more supportive of us on here, afterall as ive said we do support DSA and i know that HUY has a hell of a tough job than DSA ever will in supporting the region it serves!
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There is no need to slate each other as has been said and people need not be bitter! Lakeside 84 and Holidaymax, listen to what we have to say and dont try and knock HUY down at every oppertunity!
As long as the baiting and sniping doesn't result in personal attacks or insults then I say carry on...we all love a good debate. and I bet you guys can't wait to view the boards to see who said what and why to your message etc.
At the end of the day just look at the choices available to us all from next year in the area.
But let's all agree to keep this board at the top.
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Lakeside84 since when has DSA carried 1.3 million people?
Don't say things that aren't true.
Also Peel hasn't really achieved anything at MME yet and don't seem to be bothered with the place, they haven't finished playing with the new toy yet (DSA). Also ask the Liverpool controllers about the radar situation at DSA and you'll find out that Peel are being short sighted.
One final thing Leeds is Yorkshires premier airport. Making a statement like that on a HUY board is a bit strange you should of made it on a LBA board.
Don't say things that aren't true.
Also Peel hasn't really achieved anything at MME yet and don't seem to be bothered with the place, they haven't finished playing with the new toy yet (DSA). Also ask the Liverpool controllers about the radar situation at DSA and you'll find out that Peel are being short sighted.
One final thing Leeds is Yorkshires premier airport. Making a statement like that on a HUY board is a bit strange you should of made it on a LBA board.
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Well said onion!
What i said about immigration and the airport staff was to tell of an experience as a paying customer and how it should be sorted out.
Lakeside suggested that you cant believe a word MR Goldsmith says, i was making a poin that every MD will always twist the truth including your very own M Ryall
BA wont come in! That is not knocking DSA either that is nothing to do with how good or bad DSA is that is down to the fact that BA pulled out of most regional short-haul routes due to competition from the lo-cos!!
I cant understand for the life of me why you have to go and spread doom over this thread like your suggeating bitterness and ill will everytime some good news comes out!
DSA will always be ahead of HUY now BUT HUY is striving to claw back the many pax that have, for many years, left this area to go to LBA, NEMA and MAN for their flights. HUY has always faced stiff competition! Why should it be doomed? Or are you lot from DSA scared of competition from HUY?
Well you've knocked.....
Immigration
The airport manager
The airport staff
BA coming in.....
Immigration
The airport manager
The airport staff
BA coming in.....
Lakeside suggested that you cant believe a word MR Goldsmith says, i was making a poin that every MD will always twist the truth including your very own M Ryall
BA wont come in! That is not knocking DSA either that is nothing to do with how good or bad DSA is that is down to the fact that BA pulled out of most regional short-haul routes due to competition from the lo-cos!!
I cant understand for the life of me why you have to go and spread doom over this thread like your suggeating bitterness and ill will everytime some good news comes out!
DSA will always be ahead of HUY now BUT HUY is striving to claw back the many pax that have, for many years, left this area to go to LBA, NEMA and MAN for their flights. HUY has always faced stiff competition! Why should it be doomed? Or are you lot from DSA scared of competition from HUY?
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OK, let's look at this.
DSA has a big runway, therefore will be able to offer transatlantic without a fuel stop, HUY cannot offer this.
DSA has established itself as a lo-co airport, HUY offers 95% charter, a 'Flag Carrier' Scheduled and Eastern to ABZ.
DSA is likely to have given landings etc away, HUY from my understanding charges full whack. Two different business thoughts here. 5-1 or 1-5 sales (5 seats for a pound or a seat for 5 pounds). Not slagging off, just making economic assumptions about lo-co methodology in airport terms.
Maybe DSA will become the equivalent of MAN and the other Peel airports will be like HUY.
STN is a classic example of lo-co. A nothing airport, then Go enters the frame and STN gets busy, now LGW & LHR landing fees etc are being cranked up to subsidise STN, coz STN are not in a position to do it. To do so would mean the lo-co's would go away however a cross subsidy would keep the price down and boy has that upset the major carriers!!!Not sure what the profit profile of LPL is (ignoring their Business Park, which is Peel Developments not Peel Airports), but I gather the deal with Easy is an LTR for profit. But LPL also has Objective 1
MME, how many pax? 750,000 and a lot of that is lo-co. Dunno how much Peel have invested there but MME is growing at the pace one would expect, slow and steady, similar to HUY (if there was buckets of EU money at MME things might be different, who knows?)
Other strange comments recently have been about the coach service at HUY. If people have a problem with that take it up with the Gloag's (Stagecoach, one of the biggest coach firms in the UK). Trains, last time I looked DSA did not have a rail station. Small halt at Finningley, but the big station is about 20 minutes away. DSA rail station (Very unlikely, given present Government policy [check with the rail authority if you doubt])
HUY has the regular Trans-Pennine Express at Barnetby, some 5 minutes by taxi. (East-West mainline, it is not the rail operator's fault that someone put the Pennines in the way, or that the rail link carries all the industrial stuff from the ports, this also slows the service)
Road access to DSA.
Minor roads, off the M18 into Doncaster, wiggle out of Doncaster, twist turn, then do a right.(but of course they will have a link from the M18 [in about 10 years! -check this with the Highways Agency])
Road access to HUY
Off M180 onto A18, 5 minutes, park up.
trying, as best as possible to keep to the facts here.
One thing that people miss in the DSA/HUY arguement is PROFIT. DSA is unlikely to profit for some time, as an airport, as the business plan is no doubt similar to LPL, relying on the adjacent hectares of Business Park and development loans available, to support the Airport.
Someone mentioned£500,000 for Peel to pay out to Sheffield on the old airport. The development opportunites are worth millions. What are Peel...Developers!
DSA and HUY are two different markets, I suggest all the DSA protaganists that take pleasure in slagging HUY, try the same trick on the MAN thread coz that is your target market surely...transatlantic, Asia, Oz South Africa... not a few poxy destinations to southern Spain et al?
Watch out for the real competition,
"it's behind you!!!"
DSA has a big runway, therefore will be able to offer transatlantic without a fuel stop, HUY cannot offer this.
DSA has established itself as a lo-co airport, HUY offers 95% charter, a 'Flag Carrier' Scheduled and Eastern to ABZ.
DSA is likely to have given landings etc away, HUY from my understanding charges full whack. Two different business thoughts here. 5-1 or 1-5 sales (5 seats for a pound or a seat for 5 pounds). Not slagging off, just making economic assumptions about lo-co methodology in airport terms.
Maybe DSA will become the equivalent of MAN and the other Peel airports will be like HUY.
STN is a classic example of lo-co. A nothing airport, then Go enters the frame and STN gets busy, now LGW & LHR landing fees etc are being cranked up to subsidise STN, coz STN are not in a position to do it. To do so would mean the lo-co's would go away however a cross subsidy would keep the price down and boy has that upset the major carriers!!!Not sure what the profit profile of LPL is (ignoring their Business Park, which is Peel Developments not Peel Airports), but I gather the deal with Easy is an LTR for profit. But LPL also has Objective 1
MME, how many pax? 750,000 and a lot of that is lo-co. Dunno how much Peel have invested there but MME is growing at the pace one would expect, slow and steady, similar to HUY (if there was buckets of EU money at MME things might be different, who knows?)
Other strange comments recently have been about the coach service at HUY. If people have a problem with that take it up with the Gloag's (Stagecoach, one of the biggest coach firms in the UK). Trains, last time I looked DSA did not have a rail station. Small halt at Finningley, but the big station is about 20 minutes away. DSA rail station (Very unlikely, given present Government policy [check with the rail authority if you doubt])
HUY has the regular Trans-Pennine Express at Barnetby, some 5 minutes by taxi. (East-West mainline, it is not the rail operator's fault that someone put the Pennines in the way, or that the rail link carries all the industrial stuff from the ports, this also slows the service)
Road access to DSA.
Minor roads, off the M18 into Doncaster, wiggle out of Doncaster, twist turn, then do a right.(but of course they will have a link from the M18 [in about 10 years! -check this with the Highways Agency])
Road access to HUY
Off M180 onto A18, 5 minutes, park up.
trying, as best as possible to keep to the facts here.
One thing that people miss in the DSA/HUY arguement is PROFIT. DSA is unlikely to profit for some time, as an airport, as the business plan is no doubt similar to LPL, relying on the adjacent hectares of Business Park and development loans available, to support the Airport.
Someone mentioned£500,000 for Peel to pay out to Sheffield on the old airport. The development opportunites are worth millions. What are Peel...Developers!
DSA and HUY are two different markets, I suggest all the DSA protaganists that take pleasure in slagging HUY, try the same trick on the MAN thread coz that is your target market surely...transatlantic, Asia, Oz South Africa... not a few poxy destinations to southern Spain et al?
Watch out for the real competition,
"it's behind you!!!"
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Small halt at Finningley
DSA rail station (Very unlikely, given present Government policy [check with the rail authority if you doubt])
One optimistic view is in Rail Express Magazine. They say any station may be built with a turnback facility do a shuttle service to Doncaster could operate (sensible idea so wont happen). In the long term they talk of diverting existing trains, including GNER ones to any airport station. Cant see this working, particularly as only about one GNER service starts/terminates at Doncaster.
This highlights the problem with giving the airport a decent rail service. Most trains at Doncaster are through services so cant easily be diverted. Main exception is the Leeds shuttles but that would require electrification to the airport
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A-H.
There is now a big yellow sign on the Business Park frontage advertising build opportunities. Sometime ago the ScunnyT ran an article indicating N Lincs Council were developing the site, but the board has the Manchester's developer on it. (MADL)
maybe things are about to happen...and about time too.
Regards the station at Finningley, you are right (made the mistake of mixing up a railway crossing with a station on the map!!)
There is now a big yellow sign on the Business Park frontage advertising build opportunities. Sometime ago the ScunnyT ran an article indicating N Lincs Council were developing the site, but the board has the Manchester's developer on it. (MADL)
maybe things are about to happen...and about time too.
Regards the station at Finningley, you are right (made the mistake of mixing up a railway crossing with a station on the map!!)
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Things have seemed to be moving realy slow on the business park side of things! There was always tlk of a hotel and petrol station but has still not happened! The only business i remember going on site is the one next to the A18!
Do you think HUY will ever build a new terminal? I think it needs one, although the current one can handle up to 1.5 mall p/a and the apron 3 mill (Not sure what type of a/c they are basing that on though 737?)
Maybe it will never reach 1.5 mill but a more comfortable and spacious terminal would be nice!
Wont happen until an airline makes a big investment in HUY though i suppose!
Do you think HUY will ever build a new terminal? I think it needs one, although the current one can handle up to 1.5 mall p/a and the apron 3 mill (Not sure what type of a/c they are basing that on though 737?)
Maybe it will never reach 1.5 mill but a more comfortable and spacious terminal would be nice!
Wont happen until an airline makes a big investment in HUY though i suppose!
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I cant understand for the life of me why you have to go and spread doom over this thread like your suggeating bitterness and ill will everytime some good news comes out!
Don't throw your toys out of the pram just yet
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Holidaymax.
Before casting aspertions please ensure your statements are correct. My response was to the NikNak statement.
Copy below.
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As HUY continues to struggle against competition at DSA, (and despite the "good news" of the extra flights - they will suffer), customers will become more choosy about the flights they take alongside the value for money offered.
Because they have to lower airport fees to attract the trade, many of HUYs flights will be evening or even night flights, which means the first and last day of your holiday is spent travelling to the airport, and when you get to you destination, at least another hour on the coach to your chosen resort.
DSA can, and will, offer flights aimed at all levels of disposable income, and will always have the upper hand, they will (if not already) will be discounting car parking fees, purely because that side of things costs them virtually nothing to run.
I sincerely hope that the expansion at HUY continues, but I would seriously question if the income and subsequent profit is proportionate to growth.
P.S Any truth in the rumour that Eastern have been offered "preferential terms" to move head office and Ops to another east of england airport, "not too far away"?.
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Also some verbage from Lakeside84, note especially the last 5 words. (is it any wonder!)
HERE'S SOME COPY FROM LAST NIGHTS DONCASTER STAR NEWSPAPER, I include it in this post on this thread as it refers to HUY and might help us start a debate over what you HUY supporters really think is the future for your waste of space airport.
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As I mentioned earlier, the DSA commentators need to turn thier guns on their real competition, MAN and EMA. Can't wait to see the same comments pertaining to HUY being thrown by DSA at MAN and EMA!
MAN for the flag carrier routes and EMA for all that freight.
Before casting aspertions please ensure your statements are correct. My response was to the NikNak statement.
Copy below.
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posted 28th July 2005 22:55
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As HUY continues to struggle against competition at DSA, (and despite the "good news" of the extra flights - they will suffer), customers will become more choosy about the flights they take alongside the value for money offered.
Because they have to lower airport fees to attract the trade, many of HUYs flights will be evening or even night flights, which means the first and last day of your holiday is spent travelling to the airport, and when you get to you destination, at least another hour on the coach to your chosen resort.
DSA can, and will, offer flights aimed at all levels of disposable income, and will always have the upper hand, they will (if not already) will be discounting car parking fees, purely because that side of things costs them virtually nothing to run.
I sincerely hope that the expansion at HUY continues, but I would seriously question if the income and subsequent profit is proportionate to growth.
P.S Any truth in the rumour that Eastern have been offered "preferential terms" to move head office and Ops to another east of england airport, "not too far away"?.
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Also some verbage from Lakeside84, note especially the last 5 words. (is it any wonder!)
HERE'S SOME COPY FROM LAST NIGHTS DONCASTER STAR NEWSPAPER, I include it in this post on this thread as it refers to HUY and might help us start a debate over what you HUY supporters really think is the future for your waste of space airport.
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As I mentioned earlier, the DSA commentators need to turn thier guns on their real competition, MAN and EMA. Can't wait to see the same comments pertaining to HUY being thrown by DSA at MAN and EMA!
MAN for the flag carrier routes and EMA for all that freight.
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Got to agree with holidaymax. There was no animosity until 7006fan started his slagging. None of the other humberside fans have used such vitriolic language (and I am talking about DSA board as well). We at DSA have no animosity towards HUY,although we were more than annoyed at ther antics of MAG,in trying to stop the development of DSA.
I think that is behind us now,and we should drop the vitriol,most of which is simply retaliation due to 7006fan.
I think that is behind us now,and we should drop the vitriol,most of which is simply retaliation due to 7006fan.