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Old 28th Jul 2005, 17:04
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I will try and sum up what I know about the new flights and the respective tour operators.

Monastir is being offered by the Mytravel group which includes Airtours and Panorama. The Mytravel group also appear to be offering Kos and Zakynthis according to the booking engine on the Airtours website.

Thomas Cook's 2nd edition brochure is showing Corfu, Heraklion, Paphos, Rhodes and Zakynthos out of the proposed and confirmed new flights.

I haven't been able to get hold of the second edition First Choice brochure yet, and so am unsure as to their commitment.

Tui are sticking with DSA, and have not altered from their frist edition brochures.

As Corfu, Kos, a 2nd Heraklion, Rhodes, Zakynthos and Paphos are being offered or planned, I would expect the likes of Libra and Olympic to maybe come on side.

The airport is close to finalising the main plan for summer 2006, and these new destinations are set to be announced when the final deal with the tour operators and airlines has been reached.

It would seem the most logical thing to base the XL all week to cover the KGS on Sat, ZTH on Sun, CFU on MON and HER on tue. We will hopefully find out soon. It is looking like HUY will have around 35 weekly IT flights next year, which is a huge increase over this year. Apparently, the tour operators' HUY programme for summer 2005, and so far for summer 2006, has been one of the best selling in the country.

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Apparently, the tour operators' HUY programme for summer 2005, and so far for summer 2006, has been one of the best selling in the country.
That will be down to a lack of lo-co ops at HUY to contend with! HUY could become a haven for the traditional I.T companies so i expect these to expand dramaticaly over the next few years! I feel low cost is doubtful now though but at the end of the day some of the prices on offer for next year beat those at DSA!
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Crikey Mike,

35 flights plus AMS and ABZ and fish makes 88 per week, 12 a day average. Can Humberside cope

Course it can!

It could handle double that, no sweat. (not sure about the handling agent though )

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As HUY continues to struggle against competition at DSA, (and despite the "good news" of the extra flights - they will suffer), customers will become more choosy about the flights they take alongside the value for money offered.

Because they have to lower airport fees to attract the trade, many of HUYs flights will be evening or even night flights, which means the first and last day of your holiday is spent travelling to the airport, and when you get to you destination, at least another hour on the coach to your chosen resort.

DSA can, and will, offer flights aimed at all levels of disposable income, and will always have the upper hand, they will (if not already) will be discounting car parking fees, purely because that side of things costs them virtually nothing to run.

I sincerely hope that the expansion at HUY continues, but I would seriously question if the income and subsequent profit is proportionate to growth.

P.S Any truth in the rumour that Eastern have been offered "preferential terms" to move head office and Ops to another east of england airport, "not too far away"?.
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As HUY continues to struggle against competition at DSA, (and despite the "good news" of the extra flights - they will suffer), customers will become more choosy about the flights they take alongside the value for money offered.
Its blatently obvious that its not struggling though! I can tell you that people from the 'Humber' area would much prefer HUY than DSA! Flew from DSA last week, will use it again but will continue to use HUY if at all possible!

Because they have to lower airport fees to attract the trade, many of HUYs flights will be evening or even night flights, which means the first and last day of your holiday is spent travelling to the airport, and when you get to you destination, at least another hour on the coach to your chosen resort.
For now that may be the case but in a couple of years i think we wil see a change, like we di with many other services in the past!

DSA can, and will, offer flights aimed at all levels of disposable income, and will always have the upper hand, they will (if not already) will be discounting car parking fees, purely because that side of things costs them virtually nothing to run.
Why would i want to park at DSA when i can get a lift to HUY?

I sincerely hope that the expansion at HUY continues, but I would seriously question if the income and subsequent profit is proportionate to growth.
I believe that the new services announced by excel will not force the airport into expanding, like a lo-co would! At the end of the day HUY is in the red! Which is more than you can say for its ever expanding counterparts!

P.S Any truth in the rumour that Eastern have been offered "preferential terms" to move head office and Ops to another east of england airport, "not too far away"?.
Very much doubt it! The whole point in setting up at HUY is because its not that busy! This does not interupt at all with the maintenance of the fleet and therefore why move to an airport that is 'destined for big things'? Utter rubish if you ask me! Heard this one all before, just another doom mongers story! Get a life!
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I would bet money on the fact that Excel and HUY will be able to offer Sharm el Sheikh for Winter 2006/7.
A strong possability as rob goldsmith has hinted at this in recent news articles! Keep em coming!!!
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I think I have now read everything!!!
ROFL@ NikNak. What utter drivel. I think you should concentrate more on the delays at DSA and the dreadful dangers that airport puts it's SLF through every day. 3 of the reported airprox incidents of the last 10 where at DSA! (and that is posted at CAA web-site and on the DSA alternative chat room) Stones and glass houses.

As to flight times/fees, again what tosh. By that statement DSA's Paris flight fits the bill, who wants to land in Paris at about midnight.. Have you never heard of slots at airports. Not HUY, but at the extremely busy holiday destinations. We would all love a 10am departure landing at 2pm, but the cost of slot at Costa Del Plonka would add £££ to the trip. Just look in the charges at the back of the holiday brochures to see the fees added by the tour ops. And look at business flights departing 6/7am from major airports. Check the fare compared to a 2pm departure!

As to the Eastern thing, is that the way DSA does business, stack it high sell it low. (not a reflection on Eastern, but the 'everything a pound' DSA business plan!)

Heard there is now a pay freeze at DSA?! HUY staff are getting bonuses, not the act of a failing business surely!

Why not rejoice in the fact that another business in the Yorkshire and Humber region is creating jobs for local people boosting the local economy and helping to increase the standard of living in the area.

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Look everybody the good ol' 7006fan is back in business!

There are a lot of accusations you level at DSA but can you back them up with something other than "I heard"?
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This DSA v HUY issue is better reading than Leeds United and Manchester United knocking lumps of each other on their respected boards.
I have said before that DSA will be the making or breaking of HUY, and it seems that it is going to be the making. Manchester, particularly next year, will lose a degree of custom to DSA, so consequently if passengers from this side of the Pennines chose to fly local then it's in the Manchester group's interest to promote HUY, rather than lose out totally to DSA.
I have no doubt that DSA will flourish big style, as I am sure in their heart of hearts most ardent HUY fan will agree. But so will HUY flourish. I am absolutely chuffed to bits that at last the tide is turning for HUY. I still reckon (although 7006fan might disagree) within two years HUY will get a Lo-Co, and all this Lo-Co knocking from some HUY supporters might come back to haunt them. What DSA has done, is to raise the commercial aviation profile of the area. Like it or lump it, in the grand scheme of aviation, HUY is just down the road to DSA. DSA is closer to HUY than it is to some parts of Sheffield, a city it represents.
Like someone has said, both DSA and HUY doing well is great news for the economy and job creation for the area. If this intense rivalry sends a kick up the arse to respected airport management and positively motivates them, then long may it continue. If nothing else, the 'buzz' is addictive.
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Well said Mr Dearne!

I still reckon (although 7006fan might disagree) within two years HUY will get a Lo-Co, and all this Lo-Co knocking from some HUY supporters might come back to haunt them.
Not sure about that any more though mate. I may have to go back on what ive said on previous posts and agree with the nay sayers, such operations probably arnt viable and i think the management at HUY knows this hence not taking the risk. Excel will offer seat only options, some cheaper than at DSA, albeit restricted to the holiday hotspots.

Do hope to see London and CDG services in the future though.

There are a lot of accusations you level at DSA but can you back them up with something other than "I heard"?
That was one accusation, the others are facts.

Flew DSA last week to Prague. Great going out albeit very expensive, ill take my own sarnies and a flask of coffee next time, but awful coming back in! Had to wait at least 30 mins (half of that time stood outside in the quite cold weather) just to be greeted by a very over zeleous immigrations officer! I hate to think what it will be like when it gets busier....

Having said that though i will be using it again, just as we got back i booked a flight to AMS for December!
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What's this a HUY supporter shunning the KLM AMS service for the overpriced late night DSA service?
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What's this a HUY supporter shunning the KLM AMS service for the overpriced late night DSA service?
Who said the new AMS service was over priced and late at night? Get a grip mate! Just because i am a 'HUY supperter' does that mean i cant use DSA? Dont be pathetic mate!

I would not pay the price of a ticket that KLM charge rtn HUY to AMS! I use that service for long-haul and find it very useful.
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I'm just simply refering to 7006fans description of DSA services.

P.S I'm not your mate
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He was simply refering to the CDG service! And the timing is inconveniant!

Sorry for using the generalised term 'mate' that people tend to use when they are trying to be friendly with someone whether they know them or not!
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What's this a HUY supporter shunning the KLM AMS service for the overpriced late night DSA service?
Horses for courses as they say. I'd sooner use DSA but I'll have no hesitation using HUY if I could get better value. I can get people to take me and the family to DSA or HUY so car parking etc isn't an issue. Anywhere else and your talking of a hundred quid plus just for airport parking or taxis.


Flew DSA last week to Prague. Great going out albeit very expensive, ill take my own sarnies and a flask of coffee next time, but awful coming back in! Had to wait at least 30 mins (half of that time stood outside in the quite cold weather) just to be greeted by a very over zeleous immigrations officer! I hate to think what it will be like when it gets busier....
It's not local cafe prices but most airports are expensive, just like your ferries.
Regards to the immigration. I think that is par for the course as Doncaster goes. Doncaster is a transport interchange hub and armed police are not unusual in the town and rail station of late. I appreciate it's a separate issue to immigration, but I dare say immigration officers have been warned to be more vigilant. If this climate continues it'll get worse next year with more flights and long haul.
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Sorry folks, but Holidaymax has asked for this....

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...etail&nid=1092

http://www.caa.co.uk/application.asp...etail&nid=1090

http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/di...entPK=12920899

Or maybe the ScunnyT and CAA are rumour-mongers as well? Of course what is failed to be mentioned in the report is that the control is at Liverpool.!!! Just what you need for final approach.

As to the wage freeze, I am going on hearsay, based on someone who knows someone at DSA.

Mr Dearne,
I have no problem with a couple of lo-co routes at HUY, but I would have thought they (HUY) would not want to put 'all their eggs in one basket', to me that is a very risky strategy and possibly jepordise the existing charter market the airport has (something DSA did not have when it commenced service). Call it old fashioned but I believe in their eyes diluting risk and getting a more secure but maybe lower return is better, than rapid expansion at great risk. By adopting the policy MAG/HUY they have made very good figures for 2004/5. What would have happened at HUY if they taken EU Jet big time? They would have likely invested millions to service the non-existent 500,000 pax promised by EU Jet, which I gather had only carried 70,000 when the receivers were called in. Sorry but I agree with the steady growth plan at HUY.
Blow up a balloon too quickly and it explodes in your face!

I am happy to see both airports more than flourish if they help to stop the 5 hour grind down to LGW/LHR.

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As to the wage freeze, I am going on hearsay, based on someone who knows someone at DSA
There is no wage freeze at DSA, not as far as I am aware, but you never know. Peel, in fact, are still recruiting for next year. The success thus far (pax figures) at DSA has taken everyone by surprise.
Peel Airports, however, need to find half a million pounds to pay Sheffield City Council for the closure of Sheffield City Airport. Maybe this was ininitially budgeted for DSA? I think the money is going to be used by Sheffield City Council to improve access to DSA, so it's just basically being recycled.
There is a great deal of money being pumped into the airport and business park. Peel's investment has been more than matched by way of funding and grants etc. Then of course you have private sector funding from companies/businesses etc who are moving onto the business park, so I don't think there are money problems.
It's all great stuff for the area, and I have no doubt at all you'll see the same in the not too distant future at HUY. I think it's getting pretty clear which way HUY is heading now, and it's not down.

With both airports on the up, the area has not had it so good with regards to choice. Seems like great times ahead, and I for one can't wait for next summer. Every new destination from DSA or HUY is fantastic, and we want MORE.
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Sorry folks, but Holidaymax has asked for this....
7006fan I know about the airprox's, the problem I have is when you throw around your baseless rumours like the wages one. Like I said in the first post all you seem to come out with is "I heard" comments.

Low and behold if a non-HUY supporter levelled some of these types of comments at you then most likely you would spit your dummy out!
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Is it worth mentioning again that HUY carries only half a million pax annually, and DSA carries 1.3 million?!

The XL deal creates 60,000 pax, so it says. In just 2 months, DSA welcomed 100,000 pax! Theres a press release on its website. Kind of puts things into perspective doesnt it.

HUY is shouting about the XL deal worth 60,000 pax. No where do you see the words ADDITIONAL PAX. No where do you see HUY shouting about how many pax it estimates to carry annually. Hmmm, do I smell consolidation there?!

DSA wins any day of the week. It just offers more.

DSA has a shiny new terminal, motivated staff (from what I have seen), it has bars and shops (with more to come post Summer), it has regular and fairly comprehensive bus services, and what can be called a REAL link to a PROPER railway station.

In my opinion, HUY has an ugly terminal, minging leftover from EMA seats and a horrid yellow smokers corner, it has a mini bar airside, that sells homemade sandwiches, it has a tiny alpha store, and, that's it! oh, and I forgot to mention, horrid 'i wish i worked at dsa' staff - and an MD that thinks if he keeps saying 'things will only get better' then they will. No transport links (apart from that stagecoach thing that not many people go on), and the joke they call a rail link - huh! This is all my opinion.

Reality check alert for all the HUY fans... Mr Goldsmith has been saying "we dearly hope to obtain a service to XXX etc etc" for the last 5 years!!! Never ever ever has he got what he wished for. The XL deal is coincidental consolidation, plus 3 new routes. WOW. Hardly a deal, just a different airline to the likes of Iberworld and Onur! Sharm el Sheikh is a growing destination, and yes, next year or the year after, HUY will probably get a SSH route, but it's too little too late! Airlines and tour ops will be flying to other in vogue destinations then, and HUY will still be left panting like an abandoned dog, begging for more.

DSA is striking deals all the time... the airlines and tour ops see the DSA catchment, the DSA terminal, and the DSA teams all complimentary to what they aim to offer. Its all about pax retention these days. And I'm not being funny, but why fly from the shed that is HUY when you can fly from DSA?!

Peel is dynamic, not controlled by councillors in suits. Peel never loose at anything - look at Liverpool John Lennon, Durham Tees Valley, Trafford Centre... they even own Manchester Ship Canal for gods sake!

Long may DSA's reign as Yorkshire's premier Airport continue.

HERE'S SOME COPY FROM LAST NIGHTS DONCASTER STAR NEWSPAPER, I include it in this post on this thread as it refers to HUY and might help us start a debate over what you HUY supporters really think is the future for your waste of space airport.

AIMING TO BE TOP AIRPORT
ROBIN Hood Airport bosses say it is on course to become Yorkshire's biggest airport by 2008.

The predictions are based on the first three months figures which have seen the airport handling 250,000 passengers within its first 12 weeks.
Since the Finningley airport opened three months ago today, an average of 3,000 people have used it every day. A further 300,000 have booked seats on operator Thomsonfly's services over the next nine months.
Managing director David Ryall said that based on current levels of growth, Robin Hood will beat Humberside Airport's annual figure of 500,000 travellers within the next six to nine months.
And in three to four years he expects passenger numbers at Finningley will be higher than Leeds Bradford, used by 2.3 million people a year.
Mr Ryall said: "We're in line for a million passengers within our first year, which is a very good start and indicates our significance in the region."
He added that within two years, he was "very hopeful" a major 'flag carrier' airline such as British Airways could be flying from Finningley.
The airport also remains keen to set up long-haul flights to the Middle East and Asia, and discussions are taking place with airlines.
Mr Ryall said the success of Robin Hood was down to its central location within the UK and proximity to major cities such as Sheffield, Leeds and Nottingham, along with the amount of flights available.
The airport currently offers scheduled flights to 11 European destinations with budget airlines Thomsonfly and Ryanair.
Further journeys are being launched in the coming months to places like Amsterdam, Alpine ski resorts and the Egyptian coast, while charter flights to the US and Caribbean are set to take off next year.
Mr Ryall said: "That's an unprecedented range for an airport which has just started-up."
Robin Hood's success dispels fears initial poor performance by Thomsonfly, which has included emergency landings and major delays of up to 13 hours, could harm passenger confidence in the airport.
The airline blamed the problems on "teething troubles" at Finningley, and bad luck. It says procedures have since been improved and a spare aircraft delivered to cover for breakdowns.
As a result, last week 84 per cent of the company's flights from Robin Hood Airport took off within 15 minutes of the advertised departure time. Mr Ryall said:"From the number of people passing through the departure gates, it would be false to say there has been a loss of confidence. At all airports there are sometimes delays.
"Robin Hood Airport is new and there was so much excitement when we opened, there is more disappointment if things go wrong.
"While we've had complaints, we've also had an enormous number of letters telling us what a fantastic airport Robin Hood is."
He added: "The operators are working hard to minimise delays and give customers confidence."
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Love Holidaymax's response to the airproxes! (shrug) So what!!! [I assume this, as his problem is about the suggestion of a pay freeze -a far more henious crime!]
1/3 of all the latest airproxes are DSA, shout it from the rooftops guys, the pax will be over the moon about it.

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Robin Hood's success dispels fears initial poor performance by Thomsonfly, which has included emergency landings and major delays of up to 13 hours, could harm passenger confidence in the airport.

(but don't mention the airprox, coz then Mr Ryall will have to eat his own foot. Did he not say, sometime back, there were no air safety issues at DSA, when quizzed about lack of radar and uncontrolled airspace?) -I am sure it is all under contol but 1,000feet distance at 300mph, just do the math!
Wait for the denials, so I will have to then go and trawl the web archive to attach the links.
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There are 2 new Excel routes, that is where the 60,000 pax are coming from. Oh and there will be a few thousand for Tunisia as well and more to come no doubt in '06.

Maybe someone can answer me this. HUY gets a little bit of good news and before you know it people are slagging it off as if it is actually a failure (but is that not typical of the great British Chav attitude -just coz someone gets something right, and THEY have not done it -it must be crap!!)

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