Bmibaby summer schedule 2005
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Bmibaby summer schedule 2005
The summer 2005 schedule is released tomorrow and here is what looks like it might include.
EMA looks like it may be going down to a 4 a/c base with Dublin, Toulouse and Ibiza completely going. Nice, and Bordeaux have been transferred to BHX. Paris looks like it might possibly be going to BD regional as it has been loaded with a new flightcode between 250-260, all baby flights are 4 digits and begin with 5 from EMA.
Cork will be starting from BHX also a few flights a week from MME. MME will still be a 1 a/c base with flights also to CDG.
Cardiff will be a 2 a/c base serving the same destinations as now but Faro will be once a week.
MAN will be a 3 a/c base with Bordeaux returning.
EMA looks like it may be going down to a 4 a/c base with Dublin, Toulouse and Ibiza completely going. Nice, and Bordeaux have been transferred to BHX. Paris looks like it might possibly be going to BD regional as it has been loaded with a new flightcode between 250-260, all baby flights are 4 digits and begin with 5 from EMA.
Cork will be starting from BHX also a few flights a week from MME. MME will still be a 1 a/c base with flights also to CDG.
Cardiff will be a 2 a/c base serving the same destinations as now but Faro will be once a week.
MAN will be a 3 a/c base with Bordeaux returning.
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I did hear that bmi regional will be taking over the flights to Paris Charles de Gaulle, on top of the flights to Brussels which were transferred the year before last. Rumours of some domestic or Amsterdam flights also going to regional, with baby concentrating on their original forté the bucket-and-spade routes.
Any more on this would be v. interesting.
Any more on this would be v. interesting.
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From the WW website:
summer 2005 on sale dates
bmibaby will be going on sale with its summer 2005 flights on Tuesday 30 November 2004. Routes will be announced and on sale on the following dates:
from on sale date
Nottingham East Midlands Tuesday 30 November 2004
Birmingham International Wednesday 1 December 2004
Manchester Thursday 2 December 2004
Cardiff & Durham Tees Valley Friday 3 December 2004
summer 2005 on sale dates
bmibaby will be going on sale with its summer 2005 flights on Tuesday 30 November 2004. Routes will be announced and on sale on the following dates:
from on sale date
Nottingham East Midlands Tuesday 30 November 2004
Birmingham International Wednesday 1 December 2004
Manchester Thursday 2 December 2004
Cardiff & Durham Tees Valley Friday 3 December 2004
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13 Destinations:-
route fare (one way, including taxes and charges)
Amsterdam £21.94
Belfast (International) £21.94
Edinburgh £21.94
Glasgow (International) £21.94
Cork £21.94
Jersey £21.94
Prague £26.94
Malaga £26.94
Alicante £31.94
Palma £31.94
Murcia £31.94
Faro £31.94
Paris (Charles de Gaulle) £40.95
Seems a long way down from the dizzy days of 24 bmibaby destinations!
route fare (one way, including taxes and charges)
Amsterdam £21.94
Belfast (International) £21.94
Edinburgh £21.94
Glasgow (International) £21.94
Cork £21.94
Jersey £21.94
Prague £26.94
Malaga £26.94
Alicante £31.94
Palma £31.94
Murcia £31.94
Faro £31.94
Paris (Charles de Gaulle) £40.95
Seems a long way down from the dizzy days of 24 bmibaby destinations!
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Looks like four base a/c if CDG goes to Regional (please, please) or five if its stays with the Baby. Seem to remember them talking eight or nine at one time.
Looks like a good recipe for NEMA growth - NOT!
Looks like a good recipe for NEMA growth - NOT!
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I believe Ema-Ibz is still being considered and may be launched at a later date with the usual June to Sept season.
Im not surprised at the Dropping of Dublin as it has been under performing for quite a while now with Ryanair on the route but recently the loads have been better. The Knock flights were only on trial last year and it turned out how i expected with the route performing badly.
Nice is a bit more of a surprise to me but it is one of the more expensive routes to operate and the midlands region cant support flights from Ema and Bhx so Bhx has been given a chance to prove itself.
Im not surprised at the Dropping of Dublin as it has been under performing for quite a while now with Ryanair on the route but recently the loads have been better. The Knock flights were only on trial last year and it turned out how i expected with the route performing badly.
Nice is a bit more of a surprise to me but it is one of the more expensive routes to operate and the midlands region cant support flights from Ema and Bhx so Bhx has been given a chance to prove itself.
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Baby are already on winter timetable v6.0, so not sure if anything can be taken as final for next summer.
Probably depends on numbers of A/C in fleet, success of BHX, number crews leaving/recruited, etc, etc.
Would be surprised if EMA went down to 4 A/C personally.
Probably depends on numbers of A/C in fleet, success of BHX, number crews leaving/recruited, etc, etc.
Would be surprised if EMA went down to 4 A/C personally.
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It definitly won't be a 4 aircraft base at Ema next summer I make it a 5 aircraft base on the present timetable but i expect a few tweaks in that between now and summer.
As Alterego has said alot depends on how Bhx goes and how the bookings go, what our competition do and how the expected fleet growth goes.
As Alterego has said alot depends on how Bhx goes and how the bookings go, what our competition do and how the expected fleet growth goes.
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If baby is going to continue with CDG why has the flight number been changed to the old BD flight number? from 5011-5017 to between 250-260???
Also CDG has been a very solid route for baby but not spectacular enough really to require an extra rotation, especially since EDI is going to be only twice a day!
Also CDG has been a very solid route for baby but not spectacular enough really to require an extra rotation, especially since EDI is going to be only twice a day!
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BMI Baby @ BHX
At last some new city pairs!! BOD and NCE (BA only operated this route once a week) and increases on all othe routes!! will BHX be BMI Baby's biggest base in the summer???
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Some interesting times ahead for baby next year indeed..
additional aircraft for BHX rumoured to be 3 bmi Fokkers due to non available 737's..4a/c operation at EMA and so called management having overcrewed BHX just to appease joiners from maersk.. managing director leaving.. BALPA in official dispute with the company and now 78% of BALPA pilots rejecting latest sad offer from the company. Ballot on strike action next? Not to mention the 25 or so pilots leaving ....oh and then there is the email asking those who were BHX bound if they will take another base! All rumours of course.
additional aircraft for BHX rumoured to be 3 bmi Fokkers due to non available 737's..4a/c operation at EMA and so called management having overcrewed BHX just to appease joiners from maersk.. managing director leaving.. BALPA in official dispute with the company and now 78% of BALPA pilots rejecting latest sad offer from the company. Ballot on strike action next? Not to mention the 25 or so pilots leaving ....oh and then there is the email asking those who were BHX bound if they will take another base! All rumours of course.
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My ol' hobby horse of a second MAN-ORK has been restored too! Daily ex-Saturday into Cork at 0825 and in the evening again in at 2140. A good long day in Manchester.
MME a nice surprise with 3 times weekly on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
BHX will benefit too with good timings in the evening and should put manners on some of the RE fares. What a bonus BHX is to Cork with the dropping of the LGW service in January.
Bmi baby have been a great boon to Cork Airport. Now, if they would only do CAT II approaches like lots of other carriers! However, the cranes should be gone by March, hopefully!
MME a nice surprise with 3 times weekly on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays.
BHX will benefit too with good timings in the evening and should put manners on some of the RE fares. What a bonus BHX is to Cork with the dropping of the LGW service in January.
Bmi baby have been a great boon to Cork Airport. Now, if they would only do CAT II approaches like lots of other carriers! However, the cranes should be gone by March, hopefully!
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If, as is generally noised abroad, Cardiff Airport management is holding Ryanair at bay, to give baby a free hand - when will baby repay the compliment by putting more resources there?
Everytime I fly with baby from Cardiff, it is packed. A textbook lesson in how to build a brand and get it into the public conciousness. Baby is pretty much part of the scenery round here now.
My sources tell me that yields, particularly on Spanish, Czech and Scottish destinations, are impressive.
But at what point will CIAL say, let's give Ryanair a go, if they will commit three aircraft, since baby seem to be "fat dumb and happy" with just two.....?
Everytime I fly with baby from Cardiff, it is packed. A textbook lesson in how to build a brand and get it into the public conciousness. Baby is pretty much part of the scenery round here now.
My sources tell me that yields, particularly on Spanish, Czech and Scottish destinations, are impressive.
But at what point will CIAL say, let's give Ryanair a go, if they will commit three aircraft, since baby seem to be "fat dumb and happy" with just two.....?
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If EMA-CDG is to stay with Baby despite the wierd flight number changes (back to the old British Midland numbers) and the rather high fare for CDG compared to AMS for example (I had presumed a prelude to putting more costs back in with a Regional operation?), I think this again says something about Baby's strategy.
The Channel Tunnel rail link moves from Waterloo to Saint Pancras in two years time, and with that comes one-station, one-change services between Nottingham Derby Leicester and Paris and Brussels. Journey times are likely to be of the order of four to four and a half hours city centre to city centre - not much different to the time for the total journey with an air component. Just as the air market between London and Paris and Brussels has hugely declined since Eurostar started, I anticipate a similar significant shift to rail from the East Midlands region to those destinations once the new international station at St Pancras comes online. If Baby is putting more capacity into Paris now, its going to come out again in two or three years time. Far better they focus on something else / develop another market, and bmi put a full-service offer into Paris which can be used amongst other things for connecting traffic.
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The Channel Tunnel rail link moves from Waterloo to Saint Pancras in two years time, and with that comes one-station, one-change services between Nottingham Derby Leicester and Paris and Brussels. Journey times are likely to be of the order of four to four and a half hours city centre to city centre - not much different to the time for the total journey with an air component. Just as the air market between London and Paris and Brussels has hugely declined since Eurostar started, I anticipate a similar significant shift to rail from the East Midlands region to those destinations once the new international station at St Pancras comes online. If Baby is putting more capacity into Paris now, its going to come out again in two or three years time. Far better they focus on something else / develop another market, and bmi put a full-service offer into Paris which can be used amongst other things for connecting traffic.
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Hopefully this will get replaced by an A319 and the 145 could be replaced by an A319 as well doing the BRU but i would really like to see bmibaby 5 a/c bmi 2 x A319 and 1 145 for the ABZ but i guess that is wishful thinking.