Bmibaby summer schedule 2005

[MarkBHX]

Why doesn't anyone try any new routes from bhx? These "new" routes are already operated by somebody or have been in the not so distant past! I'm surprised Pisa or central Europe(with the exception of Prague) haven;t been exploited from bhx. I no VZ used to operate to Pisa, but their 320's were just too big as with most of their destinations they have dropped-AMS,BVA,DUB,BFS etc

[330-Purser]

i would really like to see bmibaby 5 a/c bmi 2 x A319 and 1 145 for the ABZ but i guess that is wishful thinking

The ABZ was dropped by BMIR quite a while ago. The 145 just sits around til 2pm now after its done the morning BRU rotation.

Only Eastern on the ABZ run now. Lets be honest, the only reason BMIR started ABZ was to p ss Eastern off anyway!

[eggc]

Manchesters offerings are out...

Belfast (International) £4.99
Cork £9.99 £26.94
Knock £9.99 £26.94
Jersey £14.99
Bordeaux £19.99
Prague £19.99
Alicante £19.99
Malaga £19.99
Palma £19.99
Murcia £29.99

Rgds

Steve

[EastMids]

It has been confirmed to staff at EMA that it will become a 4 a/c base with Paris transferring to bmi (possibly on a fokker).

Excellent... Some sense at last. So now all they need to do is transfer AMS, GLA, EDI and BFS back to BMI (possibly using the four Fokkers that have no future in the airline otherwise) and the entire tawdry Baby affair at EMA will largely have been laid to rest with the exception of the Med and PRG which are the two things Baby seem to be able to run on a consistant basis.

[BDWW]

EMA-CDG

Does anybody know what the exact situation is with the EMA-CDG route? its still being sold on the baby website but is it goin back to regional? As the new summer schedule starts at the end of march i would have thought it would start selling on the bmi website by now? Or is it that management haven't made a firm decision to what they are doing yet?

[willywick]

According to Amadeus, the flights to CDG are using Embraer 145 aircraft, why the flights aren't being sold on flybmi.com is still a mystery to me!

[BDWW]

Willywick, ure right! it does look like EMA-CDG will be on an ERJ-145. Just done a bit more investigating and you can actually buy bmi tickets EMA-CDG through opodo.co.uk from March onwards (although for about £400!)
Also it looks like EMA-NCE is also back in the baby schedule, only at the weekends though, but it also has a BD flight code and u can buy them through Opodo, also operating on a ERJ-145.
What the hell is going on???? and why are they not being sold on flybmi.com????

[Lite]

The routes continue to be marketed at present as bmibaby routes, because for passengers in the midlands looking for low-cost flights from the bmi group, the first website they check is not flybmi.com, but bmibaby.com. I have heard that the route may end up being a bmibaby flight "operated by bmi regional" but I find it far more likely that the route will end up being for bmi mainline.

If it is, its good news for the poor midlands-based diamond club pax, who have been up in arms since they lost their priviledges. Hopefully, more routes will go to mainline ..?

[EastMids]

If it is, its good news for the poor midlands-based diamond club pax, who have been up in arms since they lost their priviledges.

We haven't been up-in-arms - given all the other crap at EMA (long queues, etc) we've been flying from BHX and getting miles on other airlines instead!

Andy

[bmibaby.com]

One of the biggest areas of suggestion that bmibaby gets from pax, is that the airline ought to offer diamond club pax the ability to earn miles on WW flights, in the same way they used to be able to when the flights were operated by BD. baby releases a small number of seats for each flight where diamond club passengers can SPEND their miles, but even as soon as these come on sale, summer season seats are snapped up very fast. I have heard that diamond club rewards may be an option to win over business pax more for WW, but its been a rumour going round for a very long time, pretty much since baby began. I think it would be a great idea, especially as Aeroplan miles could be earned for Zip flights from Air Canada, Mileage Plus miles on Ted flights & EuroBonus miles for Snowflake flights.

bmi regional are using based ERJ-145s for daily flights to Paris CDG & Brussels for summer 2005, and weekend flights to Nice. If the project is successful, I've been told it could be the same for Amsterdam!

[EastMids]

Not that bothered about the miles actually, although of course the would help if like a few weeks ago AF BHX-CDG return is cheaper than WW EMA-CDG and AF give a sandwich, drinks, a lounge (due status) and miles - without some extra incentive and with higher fares its often extremely difficult to make a case to fly WW if booking at short notice.

Also what EMA MUST have back is the Diamond Club lounge - the voucher for the cafe that's given out to BRU pax at present is mean and no real compensation for the lack of a quiet place to sit before the flight. Oh, and they need to bring back the dedicated Diamond Club parking spaces in the short term car park, which have now been converted into staff spaces - EMA customer service [NOT!] strikes again!

Andy

[acbus1]

Let me see if I've got this right.

Back in 2000, Mainline told us that the Fokker operation at EMA was too big due to falling passenger figures.

The Go/Easyjet moved in around 2002 and all of a sudden, shock horror, Mainline needed to set up an operation bigger than the Fokker one in order to compete with Easyjet. People were given redundancy versus relocation to LHR (cabin crew) or move to baby versus relocation to LHR (pilots). Redundancy cost and relocation cost involved. Redundancy even though baby was still part of Mainline (not a separate operation)

Pilots at LHR on the 737 were persuaded* to relocate to EMA. (*Don't mention potentially illegal redundancy threats anyone!) Relocation costs incurred.

Cabin crew and pilots were retrained for the 737 (EMA) and the Fokker (LHR), incurring costs.

Note especially the enourmous human upheaval involved amidst all this expense.


And now they're proposing to largely put it all back the way it was before with possibly 3 Fokkers, plus crews, at EMA and Mainline operation partly replacing baby! The way it was when it supposedly could'nt compete with Easyjet!

No wonder people are resigning in bucketloads! Jump before it sinks!

Give me a clue, someone!

[bmibaby.com]

Whilst its now more than likely that AMS will be joining the CDG & BRU flights to be operated by bmi regional, the flights will not be operated by the Fokker 100 aircraft, as these are now being replaced with the order for Airbus 319s, unless I am mistaken?

What I think is the case for CDG/NCE/BRU is that these flights will currently be operated by bmi regional using their fleet of ERJ-145 aircraft. bmi have so far not yet made a replacement in the 70-seat market to replace the now departed Fokker 70s, although as I mentioned previously there have been rumours for some time the airline is or has been looking at the ERJ-170 family of aircraft, particularly the 84-seat ERJ-175.

Most of the business pax have had a problem with the new baby services replacing regional, with many taking their business, particularly the higher-yield business to BHX-based carriers. I wouldn't be surprised to see big baby expansion from BHX, but EMA flights (and associated facilities) being phased back to mainline or regional over the next year or so.

[BDWW]

bmibaby.com, i think that as bmi actually own the Fokkers WE and WF, they can't get rid of them so easily as JA, JB, JC & JD (which were leased). So they are staying within the fleet for at least in the short term future.

[alterego]

Funny BMI looking for 84 seat A/C when only 3 years ago it had 5x 86 seat A/C. All A/C returned to lessors and crews made redundant in 2002. They were 146s on Lh work.

I believe it's called the circle of life.

[Get me some traffic]

Someone please tell me why Baby are dropping the Prague from Teesside?

[acbus1]

"I believe it's called the circle of life."

I believe it's called appalling management and not giving a to$$ about human beings.

[bmibaby.com]

I can honestly say up front that my knowledge of the bmi history is very limited, but I can remember that when bmi regional signed the deal for the ERJ-145s, they also signed a letter of intent for the EMB-175, which was meant to be a replacement for the Fokker 70 aircraft. Rather than cancelling these orders, which incurs a hefty fee, like Swiss have been doing, the orders have been deferred to later dates, and I think some may eventually be converted to ERJ-145 orders. I can't tell you anymore about the 80-seat history of bmi, particularly the flights operated for LH, which I'm sure were remanants of regional's past as Business Air?

[alterego]

Acbus 1

Actually in this case the management wanted to use the A/C on other routes for Reginal/BMI.

Alledgedly the Mainline cc invoked the scope clause (I only have this on rumour) which prohibited 5 abreast or more A/C being flown by Regional.

[caa19]

baby goes mad!

has anyone noticed you can do funny things with bmibaby.com

go to the timetable section and with a certain about of playing you can fly EMA-BHX EMA-MAN

i know they are positioning flights at the end of each season - kinda a pitty you cant book em!