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If the rumour "Ryanair new base is to be Doncaster." is to be believed, WHAT ON EARTH IS HAPPENING AT Nottingham EMA Ltd??
Who would have guessed a new MD had arrived?
There is NOTHING that seems to have been done to move EMA fwd or out of the doldrums!
There is so much that can be done.
Is it just slothful MAG policy?
Look at the evidence - the EMA website "Latest News":-
Latest News
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3rd August New Lo-call Environment Phone Number
19th July Passengers Warned To Expect Delays
Those headlines read that there is more happening at Donington Park than at the airport, and that the airport can only shout about a politically correct phone number rather than push for what people actually need - ie a departure point to a variety of destinations.
Each and every manager at EMA should take it as a professional shame that they are "running" an airport which has been in existance for 40 years, and within the past couple of years TWO airports have appeared on the doorstep (CVT AND DSA).
Maybe I am totally missing the point...but wouldn't you pull out all the stops to eat up the new fish?
What does EMA need?
Who would have guessed a new MD had arrived?
There is NOTHING that seems to have been done to move EMA fwd or out of the doldrums!
There is so much that can be done.
Is it just slothful MAG policy?
Look at the evidence - the EMA website "Latest News":-
Latest News
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3rd August New Lo-call Environment Phone Number
19th July Passengers Warned To Expect Delays
Those headlines read that there is more happening at Donington Park than at the airport, and that the airport can only shout about a politically correct phone number rather than push for what people actually need - ie a departure point to a variety of destinations.
Each and every manager at EMA should take it as a professional shame that they are "running" an airport which has been in existance for 40 years, and within the past couple of years TWO airports have appeared on the doorstep (CVT AND DSA).
Maybe I am totally missing the point...but wouldn't you pull out all the stops to eat up the new fish?
What does EMA need?
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Without the full story it's difficult to know what the motive is of any airline. For example, we don't know what kind of deals the airport is offering to existing airlines that fly from the airport, as well as trying to attract new airlines.
EasyJet made it perfectly clear in their annual report last year that they will continue to drop services from airports where the charges are too high for them to effectively operate there. That's why Zuerich was closed, and perhaps this is the reason why NEMA hasn't seen any decent expansion since 2003, because there hasn't been a good enough incentive for them to stay. I'm sure that the top dogs at NEMA are sweating a bit now that EZY have announced the new GVA/DSA route, and hoping that it won't be the start of a major expansion, what with it being just 50 minutes up the road.
Ryanair has a good infrastructure at the airport. Their pilot training base is here, and at least once a week they send a new Boeing 737-800 to the airport for a few hours to do circuit training and touch & goes. Perhaps the success of Ryanair's other routes will also be a key for them to expand from here. Flights always seem quite popular, although I have no idea how the yields are. Again, expansion from FR will only come if the airport is able to provide a good enough deal for them.
bmibaby & bmi is an odd combination. EMA is the nearest airport to the HQ of the companies, and yet it seems to be one of the smallest bases. For such a small base, I've been sceptical of having two separate brands which is quite confusing. I think with no real competition from EasyJet that bmibaby has plenty of room to take back some of the routes that they've dropped, but whether MME & BHX are offering better incentives to expand from there will decide whether we'll ever see as many based aircraft as we did in 2003 when I believe there were eight based B737s. EMA has lost out on other bmi-related airlines from flying to the airport which I see as a real shame. When germanwings announced they'd be flying to the midlands from their Cologne base I was sure it would be EMA, and yet they chose BHX. Something isn't right when airlines are choosing other bases over a bmi "hub" or what American airlines might call a "focus city."
bmi's old FRA route which was served in 2001 was only unsuccessful because it was one flight in the mid-afternoon. This didn't leave good enough connections or the ability for businessmen to go out to Frankfurt and back as they could with BA or LH from BHX. Rumours circulated that the route was dropped because of Lufthansa being unhappy with competition for their BHX route, but I'm sure it was simply a slot issue. Perhaps LH might want to step into EMA, as we have no hub carrier!
Rumours were circulating that Air Southwest might be coming to the airport, but I'm not sure if there would be a market for such services. Mind you, WW's BHX/NQY service appears to be very popular.
Now that MyTravelLite is closing down at the end of the season as it's merged back into MyTravel Airways I think we're really going to see some stability come into the Midlands market, as airlines choose whether they want to stay, and if so, doing what ...
EasyJet made it perfectly clear in their annual report last year that they will continue to drop services from airports where the charges are too high for them to effectively operate there. That's why Zuerich was closed, and perhaps this is the reason why NEMA hasn't seen any decent expansion since 2003, because there hasn't been a good enough incentive for them to stay. I'm sure that the top dogs at NEMA are sweating a bit now that EZY have announced the new GVA/DSA route, and hoping that it won't be the start of a major expansion, what with it being just 50 minutes up the road.
Ryanair has a good infrastructure at the airport. Their pilot training base is here, and at least once a week they send a new Boeing 737-800 to the airport for a few hours to do circuit training and touch & goes. Perhaps the success of Ryanair's other routes will also be a key for them to expand from here. Flights always seem quite popular, although I have no idea how the yields are. Again, expansion from FR will only come if the airport is able to provide a good enough deal for them.
bmibaby & bmi is an odd combination. EMA is the nearest airport to the HQ of the companies, and yet it seems to be one of the smallest bases. For such a small base, I've been sceptical of having two separate brands which is quite confusing. I think with no real competition from EasyJet that bmibaby has plenty of room to take back some of the routes that they've dropped, but whether MME & BHX are offering better incentives to expand from there will decide whether we'll ever see as many based aircraft as we did in 2003 when I believe there were eight based B737s. EMA has lost out on other bmi-related airlines from flying to the airport which I see as a real shame. When germanwings announced they'd be flying to the midlands from their Cologne base I was sure it would be EMA, and yet they chose BHX. Something isn't right when airlines are choosing other bases over a bmi "hub" or what American airlines might call a "focus city."
bmi's old FRA route which was served in 2001 was only unsuccessful because it was one flight in the mid-afternoon. This didn't leave good enough connections or the ability for businessmen to go out to Frankfurt and back as they could with BA or LH from BHX. Rumours circulated that the route was dropped because of Lufthansa being unhappy with competition for their BHX route, but I'm sure it was simply a slot issue. Perhaps LH might want to step into EMA, as we have no hub carrier!
Rumours were circulating that Air Southwest might be coming to the airport, but I'm not sure if there would be a market for such services. Mind you, WW's BHX/NQY service appears to be very popular.
Now that MyTravelLite is closing down at the end of the season as it's merged back into MyTravel Airways I think we're really going to see some stability come into the Midlands market, as airlines choose whether they want to stay, and if so, doing what ...
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There will be plenty of activity with bmibaby, new aircraft due in September from down south, will fit into EMA therafter.
A new based airline, "Air Tigra" will start to be seen soon, hoping to start sevices next year.
Maybe bmi to move back to the "old" - small hangar at EMA, and maintain just 737's (baby) and end the lease of the current hangar.
easyJet to drop out in 2005 (April)
Thats all folks...
A new based airline, "Air Tigra" will start to be seen soon, hoping to start sevices next year.
Maybe bmi to move back to the "old" - small hangar at EMA, and maintain just 737's (baby) and end the lease of the current hangar.
easyJet to drop out in 2005 (April)
Thats all folks...
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yes when bmibaby first started (the switch from bmi to baby) we had around 7 a/c based at ema, but thats when it all started and many routes, old and new, were setup.
The first year was a very very busy year for baby at ema and an important one! With so many other bases now in the UK (man,mme,cwl,bhx) it is thanks to baby at ema for this, without the sucess of the guys working at ema these bases would not exist!!!
As far as new routes go at ema expect an old baby route to return for summer 06!! one that still exists at ema! It would be nice to see a new route at ema, although we only have 4 a/c now we will be getting a new one next summer. Now that we have an established brand and routes i think the time is ready to fly somewhere new (maybe like mad or back to bcn - might struggle with the slot though on that one!)
The nqy route is doing very well with loads, always in the 100 + bracket from both bases, shame it didnt come to ema though!
Reference Easyjet i feel they are no real competition anymore at ema, theyve dropped the edi and gla, so theres not many routes we go head to head on really (only the med routes).
As for ryanair, although they stopped our dub, i think they will expand at ema just to try and get rid of us at ema, unfortunately that will never happen!!
The first year was a very very busy year for baby at ema and an important one! With so many other bases now in the UK (man,mme,cwl,bhx) it is thanks to baby at ema for this, without the sucess of the guys working at ema these bases would not exist!!!
As far as new routes go at ema expect an old baby route to return for summer 06!! one that still exists at ema! It would be nice to see a new route at ema, although we only have 4 a/c now we will be getting a new one next summer. Now that we have an established brand and routes i think the time is ready to fly somewhere new (maybe like mad or back to bcn - might struggle with the slot though on that one!)
The nqy route is doing very well with loads, always in the 100 + bracket from both bases, shame it didnt come to ema though!
Reference Easyjet i feel they are no real competition anymore at ema, theyve dropped the edi and gla, so theres not many routes we go head to head on really (only the med routes).
As for ryanair, although they stopped our dub, i think they will expand at ema just to try and get rid of us at ema, unfortunately that will never happen!!
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I could definately see EasyJet pulling out some time over the winter period as everything seems to have gone very quiet on that front. The airline will have just three aircraft this winter, with the GVA route now being operated by an EMA based aircraft to cover for the EDI route that is being dropped. So it seems there is no chance that EasyJet would even attempt to try and launch another route from EMA to replace it. With no expansion from EasyJet since 2003, but instead route swapping, unless EasyJet has a sudden epiphany I can only see them stay in their rut or move to somewhere new, with DSA appearing a promising candidate.
This would definately give the bmi group a lot of room for further expansion. bmibaby has definately benefited from EasyJet pulling off of the Scottish routes over the last year, and I think that we'll only see bmi in whatever guise taking full advantage of the situation at EMA. There is plenty of room for expansion, and certainly gaining back BCN & the Italian routes would be a nice move. bmi regional's ERJs spend quite a lot of the late morning and early afternoon on the ground, and could probably fit in another route, but this might compromise the punctuality that regional want with their high yield routes.
The airport does need to get a major carrier to launch flights to EMA from their hub quite quickly. EMA really loses out to BHX by not having any airlines that can provide interline arrangements & a smooth transfer through a major hub. I've heard Lufthansa has been approached by the airport but such routes would compromise their BHX operations. Surely however it would compliment the bmi operations at the airport, and would draw in a whole number of passengers who would find BHX inconvenient?
Apparently Austrian is sniffing around BHX & EMA as CitiExpress have announced they will be dropping their Birmingham - Vienna route. Any news on this?
This would definately give the bmi group a lot of room for further expansion. bmibaby has definately benefited from EasyJet pulling off of the Scottish routes over the last year, and I think that we'll only see bmi in whatever guise taking full advantage of the situation at EMA. There is plenty of room for expansion, and certainly gaining back BCN & the Italian routes would be a nice move. bmi regional's ERJs spend quite a lot of the late morning and early afternoon on the ground, and could probably fit in another route, but this might compromise the punctuality that regional want with their high yield routes.
The airport does need to get a major carrier to launch flights to EMA from their hub quite quickly. EMA really loses out to BHX by not having any airlines that can provide interline arrangements & a smooth transfer through a major hub. I've heard Lufthansa has been approached by the airport but such routes would compromise their BHX operations. Surely however it would compliment the bmi operations at the airport, and would draw in a whole number of passengers who would find BHX inconvenient?
Apparently Austrian is sniffing around BHX & EMA as CitiExpress have announced they will be dropping their Birmingham - Vienna route. Any news on this?
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Going 'head to head' on ALC, AGP and PRG is more significant than fighting over the scraps on the low yield EDI and GLA routes I would say.
Losing the twice daily EDI route from EMA also gives eJ more time than the GVA is going to require so watch this space. Furthermore, more new crew arriving at EMA than the current 3 aircraft require hints that shiny new A319 #4 may be just around the corner.
Oh, and won't it be nice to see the back of those tired old 737's, particularly 'OW' (all 54,000+ hours of it) - rumoured to be enroute WW.
Going 'head to head' on ALC, AGP and PRG is more significant than fighting over the scraps on the low yield EDI and GLA routes I would say.
Losing the twice daily EDI route from EMA also gives eJ more time than the GVA is going to require so watch this space. Furthermore, more new crew arriving at EMA than the current 3 aircraft require hints that shiny new A319 #4 may be just around the corner.
Oh, and won't it be nice to see the back of those tired old 737's, particularly 'OW' (all 54,000+ hours of it) - rumoured to be enroute WW.
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The reason I've always thought DSA would be a good candidate for an EasyJet base is that it's owned by Peel who have a much better relationship than MAG does with the airline.
Any EasyJet expansion with a fourth aircraft would be good for the airport, and also for other airlines at EMA, to keep us on our toes as everything seems to have become extremely complacent. bmibaby & EasyJet should have a real incentive to expand from EMA with CitiExpress downsizing up the road at BHX and seemingly running around in circles. Also, Ryanair hasn't been as much as a threat as was first thought when they arrived, although whether we will see any expansion from them I have no idea.
So, do we have any ideas on new routes? I'm going to say if EasyJet is basing a fourth aircraft at the airport then it'll probably be another Spanish & Italian route and maybe another new destination in Eastern Europe. What's the catchment like for Spanish, Italians & Eastern Europeans living near EMA?
LoGo, a sidebar, is it true that -OW is nicknamed "Oscar W*nker" by EasyJet cabin crew because it is such a tired & smelly old aircraft? I remember hearing that it was, and it just made me laugh, would hate for it to come over to baby, it's an absolutely vile aeroplane. The interior appears to be falling apart & the back lavs are amongst the smelliest of the lot on all of the old 737-300s I've ever flown on!
Any EasyJet expansion with a fourth aircraft would be good for the airport, and also for other airlines at EMA, to keep us on our toes as everything seems to have become extremely complacent. bmibaby & EasyJet should have a real incentive to expand from EMA with CitiExpress downsizing up the road at BHX and seemingly running around in circles. Also, Ryanair hasn't been as much as a threat as was first thought when they arrived, although whether we will see any expansion from them I have no idea.
So, do we have any ideas on new routes? I'm going to say if EasyJet is basing a fourth aircraft at the airport then it'll probably be another Spanish & Italian route and maybe another new destination in Eastern Europe. What's the catchment like for Spanish, Italians & Eastern Europeans living near EMA?
LoGo, a sidebar, is it true that -OW is nicknamed "Oscar W*nker" by EasyJet cabin crew because it is such a tired & smelly old aircraft? I remember hearing that it was, and it just made me laugh, would hate for it to come over to baby, it's an absolutely vile aeroplane. The interior appears to be falling apart & the back lavs are amongst the smelliest of the lot on all of the old 737-300s I've ever flown on!
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3 based easyJet for winter 05-06 according to my mole, notwithstanding any base enhancements that easyJet might do.
easyJet have been dumping 'new' 300 airframes and keeping the old Go leases simply due to the 'get out cost' clauses.
easyJet have been dumping 'new' 300 airframes and keeping the old Go leases simply due to the 'get out cost' clauses.
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Hi there bmibaby.com
Yeh OW is a real ummmmmm, 'pleasure' to fly on, it will be a real shame to leave it to fly on the brand new A319 that were getting, most crew will be wanting to leave the A319 to go back to the delight that is known as Oscar Wa*k.
If only we could keep it for longer, fly on both OW and the A319.
LOL, I might start to believe that myself soon if I keep on like this. Can’t wait to get rid of OW, it's caused more problems that I care to remember, good riddance to a heap of old scrap
Yeh OW is a real ummmmmm, 'pleasure' to fly on, it will be a real shame to leave it to fly on the brand new A319 that were getting, most crew will be wanting to leave the A319 to go back to the delight that is known as Oscar Wa*k.
If only we could keep it for longer, fly on both OW and the A319.
LOL, I might start to believe that myself soon if I keep on like this. Can’t wait to get rid of OW, it's caused more problems that I care to remember, good riddance to a heap of old scrap
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First shiny new easyJet A-319 due to arrive EMA at 16.00 on 2nd September. Apparently, with only delivery miles on the clock have flown from factory at Hamburg
Brand new, clean, wide-aisle, non-smelly bogs - pax are gonna love it.
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If you or I had been airborne for over 6 years, I dare say that we would be smelly and falling apart too!
First shiny new easyJet A-319 due to arrive EMA at 16.00 on 2nd September. Apparently, with only delivery miles on the clock have flown from factory at Hamburg
Brand new, clean, wide-aisle, non-smelly bogs - pax are gonna love it.
edit FAO bmibaby.com
If you or I had been airborne for over 6 years, I dare say that we would be smelly and falling apart too!
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If you or I had been airborne for over 6 years, I dare say that we would be smelly and falling apart too!
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Hi EasyBoy
Well i second you on the OW, i use to work for Ezy at EMA and can really confirm that OW is dreadful also YF with the groovy carpet walls, felt like i was on the set of Dallas when i boarded that aircraft.
Nice to know EMA will get the Airbus, it is such a lovely base with lovely crew who are very hardworking and determined to make the base successful.
I hope i get to fly on the Airbus at the end of Nov as i am of to Faro for a week,so fingers crossed !!!
Take care all
Mike
Well i second you on the OW, i use to work for Ezy at EMA and can really confirm that OW is dreadful also YF with the groovy carpet walls, felt like i was on the set of Dallas when i boarded that aircraft.
Nice to know EMA will get the Airbus, it is such a lovely base with lovely crew who are very hardworking and determined to make the base successful.
I hope i get to fly on the Airbus at the end of Nov as i am of to Faro for a week,so fingers crossed !!!
Take care all
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I'm not sure if you understood my point.
I was not saying that OW was six years old. I was saying that having logged over 54,000 hours, it has flown the equivilent of over 6 years continuously in the air.
I don't think that any of the other current easyJet -300 fleet come anywhere near matching that.
ps most of it is aluminium, not tin
I'm not sure if you understood my point.
I was not saying that OW was six years old. I was saying that having logged over 54,000 hours, it has flown the equivilent of over 6 years continuously in the air.
I don't think that any of the other current easyJet -300 fleet come anywhere near matching that.
ps most of it is aluminium, not tin