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I would not go on the web site as its not very update, as i work at BRS and load CO i no the load factors yes sumtimes Business only sells couple of seats like4 but other days between 8 to 16 seats with econmoy being popular with a load of between 110-140 seats being taken up. I think BRS will be more successfully than ppl are making coz because of CO's failure at other UK bases. It will take a year before anyone will no how well its realy done.
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Rampboy...CO were never going to use a 777 and the 767-400 would not be able to use the short runway due to the 2 stage take-off reqd.
Also winglet a/c is due to be parked on stand 2 as interstand clearway shows enough room. Winglet area will be coned.
Also winglet a/c is due to be parked on stand 2 as interstand clearway shows enough room. Winglet area will be coned.
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Speaking today with the CO station manager I asked about the 767 rumour. He told me that they will only send in a 763 if there is no 75W availiable.
You will never see a 777 at BRS from any airline for the time being. If you go back a few pages you will see figures to sugest that a 777 is too large/heavy and that wingtip clearence would be a problem with the old terminal. Its the same reason why you won't see an A330/340 at BRS. Nor does the route warrent the use of a 238 seat aircraft when they can't fill a 172 seat 757.
Assuming that there is a load of 4 first and 102 economy and 92 bags. That would give us a load of 10513kg (Adults @ 80kg, Bags @ 20kg). According to Boeing the DOW for a 777-200ER is 142,430kgs. So we have a ZFW of 152,943kgs. Now lets add say 70,000kgs of fuel (may need more, may need less) and we get a TOW of roughly 222,943kgs. At that weight a minimum runway length of roughly 2147m is needed.
*None of the above is actual. It is all assumed using generic data availiable on the web. Take off performance figures are for the 777-200ER prototype and were obtained from the Boeing website.
You will never see a 777 at BRS from any airline for the time being. If you go back a few pages you will see figures to sugest that a 777 is too large/heavy and that wingtip clearence would be a problem with the old terminal. Its the same reason why you won't see an A330/340 at BRS. Nor does the route warrent the use of a 238 seat aircraft when they can't fill a 172 seat 757.
Assuming that there is a load of 4 first and 102 economy and 92 bags. That would give us a load of 10513kg (Adults @ 80kg, Bags @ 20kg). According to Boeing the DOW for a 777-200ER is 142,430kgs. So we have a ZFW of 152,943kgs. Now lets add say 70,000kgs of fuel (may need more, may need less) and we get a TOW of roughly 222,943kgs. At that weight a minimum runway length of roughly 2147m is needed.
*None of the above is actual. It is all assumed using generic data availiable on the web. Take off performance figures are for the 777-200ER prototype and were obtained from the Boeing website.
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The first flights were infact going to be operated on either a 777 or a 767. Mr Skipp had confirmed with CO but the servisair manager had told him that if they did it would have to go out onto whiskey. It would have been able to go on to stand 2 but 1 and 3 would then have been out of use and they were needed.
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Thank You and i do no 777 would not land at BRS but my point is one that CO wanted to use them but S'Air refused to handle these aircraft. Im not sure how true it is that a 757 with winglets can go on to stand 2 if its coned as if would go out into the interclean stand roadway. As we been informed by ASU, but opeartions say one and us at S'air are told another.
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ooh I love reading this forum when all this talk of 777s and god knows what else is going to be coming into little old BRS. I think the facts speak for themselves plus BRS is a regional airport doing really well for its size and good on it.
You have Easyjet and a really good charter market plus KLM which have always been there done well. I think no question that EZY were going to be success from the word go (excuse the pun there) I think MVs statement a couple of pages back must confirm all is ok as MR head honcho for CO says "particulary happy with business first figures" Well guys i think that may answer the question regarding the viability of the route. If the front end is doing well then that should be good enough. I know where iam it all depends on that and cargo to overall profitbility.
Anyhow How many High lifts you have up there these days? You did have 1 a fews years back. Roll on the EK 777s im sure my old BRS chum out in DXB is having a chuckle at the thought of one at BRS. Take it easy keep the posts coming.
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You have Easyjet and a really good charter market plus KLM which have always been there done well. I think no question that EZY were going to be success from the word go (excuse the pun there) I think MVs statement a couple of pages back must confirm all is ok as MR head honcho for CO says "particulary happy with business first figures" Well guys i think that may answer the question regarding the viability of the route. If the front end is doing well then that should be good enough. I know where iam it all depends on that and cargo to overall profitbility.
Anyhow How many High lifts you have up there these days? You did have 1 a fews years back. Roll on the EK 777s im sure my old BRS chum out in DXB is having a chuckle at the thought of one at BRS. Take it easy keep the posts coming.
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If only the city fathers of the mid 1950s had shown the same merchant venturing spirit of preceding generations and had moved their airport to the north of the city instead of to the south, ‘little old BRS’ would be handling 777s and the like without as much as a by your leave.
They had the chance. The mainline railway was already nearby with a branch line even closer, although they could not have foreseen a major motorway crossroads just up the road. And there were no NIMBYs or an environmental lobby then.
Attitudes to airports have certainly changed. On the marvellous Wrington village website is a reproduction of the Wrington Village Guide for 1960. The nearby airport at Lulsgate is welcomed as a valuable addition to the area with a full description of its facilities.
The site encompassed three hundred acres then but with “ample opportunity for further development to the west of the airport” - you can almost sense the guide author hoping it would expand, unlike nowadays. The main "east/west runway" is described as being 1400 yards long and the airport was open in daylight hours with night flying facilities available. There were daily flights to the Channel Islands, Dublin, Paris, Manchester, Cardiff and Southampton with the two carriers being Cambrian Airways and Aer Lingus.
If only the city fathers of the mid 1950s had shown the same merchant venturing spirit of preceding generations and had moved their airport to the north of the city instead of to the south, ‘little old BRS’ would be handling 777s and the like without as much as a by your leave.
They had the chance. The mainline railway was already nearby with a branch line even closer, although they could not have foreseen a major motorway crossroads just up the road. And there were no NIMBYs or an environmental lobby then.
Attitudes to airports have certainly changed. On the marvellous Wrington village website is a reproduction of the Wrington Village Guide for 1960. The nearby airport at Lulsgate is welcomed as a valuable addition to the area with a full description of its facilities.
The site encompassed three hundred acres then but with “ample opportunity for further development to the west of the airport” - you can almost sense the guide author hoping it would expand, unlike nowadays. The main "east/west runway" is described as being 1400 yards long and the airport was open in daylight hours with night flying facilities available. There were daily flights to the Channel Islands, Dublin, Paris, Manchester, Cardiff and Southampton with the two carriers being Cambrian Airways and Aer Lingus.
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CO would have been happy to use a 777 on the first route it was just the fact that Mr Skipp wants the Aircraft on front stand not on Whiskey. The winglet 757 will have enough clearence for stand 2. With the changing of the front stands immenant you may see the 75's of CO, Air 2 and Brit alongside each other.
On other news Flying Visit is 'Flying up' where the old temporary checkin desks were situated and they should be in within the next week. The Air Con pod is being removed from in front of the information desk and the desk itself will be taken back considerably. This is to allow way for the WHSmiths to move downstairs into an outlet in a teardrop sort of shape. The current landside shop will then be become the new search coomb area allowing upto 16 retail outlets Airside. There is also talk of turning the Current Landside First floor to Mezz level stairs and Lift around 180 degrees to make the Mezz level Airside.
Routes wise - Nothing unfortunatly although the Idea of starting up an airline leasing out a 737 and operating daily services to CPH, ORK and LIS adding a daily INN, SZG and Stockholm in the winter and maybe getting a 3rd for next summer to do the Canaries and ATH for Prices between 30 and 120 quid are looking extremely inviting and Financial backers let me Know!
On other news Flying Visit is 'Flying up' where the old temporary checkin desks were situated and they should be in within the next week. The Air Con pod is being removed from in front of the information desk and the desk itself will be taken back considerably. This is to allow way for the WHSmiths to move downstairs into an outlet in a teardrop sort of shape. The current landside shop will then be become the new search coomb area allowing upto 16 retail outlets Airside. There is also talk of turning the Current Landside First floor to Mezz level stairs and Lift around 180 degrees to make the Mezz level Airside.
Routes wise - Nothing unfortunatly although the Idea of starting up an airline leasing out a 737 and operating daily services to CPH, ORK and LIS adding a daily INN, SZG and Stockholm in the winter and maybe getting a 3rd for next summer to do the Canaries and ATH for Prices between 30 and 120 quid are looking extremely inviting and Financial backers let me Know!
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Would I MV!!?
CO Flight operated on a 777 no only joking.
We had a call to say it came in with an engine problem (there was a problem the pressure valve and instead of them waiting for it to be fixed they have just turned it continuesly on) and it was sent off to sit on stand 27. It has just pushed back and should be airbourne shortly.
Don't know why WOW have been treated?
edit: Where has MV's post gone it makes me look like Im talking to myself. Something I normally do at work!!!
CO Flight operated on a 777 no only joking.
We had a call to say it came in with an engine problem (there was a problem the pressure valve and instead of them waiting for it to be fixed they have just turned it continuesly on) and it was sent off to sit on stand 27. It has just pushed back and should be airbourne shortly.
Don't know why WOW have been treated?
edit: Where has MV's post gone it makes me look like Im talking to myself. Something I normally do at work!!!
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sorry terrier, I inadvertently deleted my post when trying to edit it. I will reprise.
There was no sign of the CO on stand 2 this morning when I checked the East Apron live feed, and no sign of it on the East Apron at all.
I mused that a 767 might have turned up (too big for stand 2) and was parked in the country out of range of the East apron live feed.
I also wondered what the WOW from LBA to NQY/DUB had done to merit a place on the big boys' table (stand 1).
This is like a Two Ronnies Sketch - you answering the question before it has been asked..................or something like that. I'm off for a lie down and a computer lesson.
Sorry again.
There was no sign of the CO on stand 2 this morning when I checked the East Apron live feed, and no sign of it on the East Apron at all.
I mused that a 767 might have turned up (too big for stand 2) and was parked in the country out of range of the East apron live feed.
I also wondered what the WOW from LBA to NQY/DUB had done to merit a place on the big boys' table (stand 1).
This is like a Two Ronnies Sketch - you answering the question before it has been asked..................or something like that. I'm off for a lie down and a computer lesson.
Sorry again.
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Yes MV how right are you there. If only it went to Filton. Im sure it would now be on the size scale of BHX and that is a busy place. FZO just looked to goo to be true, alas nimbys however airports been there for years before the bradley stoke devolopment.
I always wondered how they would tack the MALL onto the side of a terminal building. Anyway must stop dreaming.
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I always wondered how they would tack the MALL onto the side of a terminal building. Anyway must stop dreaming.
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Woooooooaaaaaahhhh.
I think we are all getting a bit carried away here. It will be 747's next.
I think it will be a long time before BRS see's anything larger than a 767-200 as it just wouldn't be able to cope.
There are many many things to take into account when dealing with a/c larger than 767-300's such as 777's or 330's.
BRS could not cope with these a/c for quite a few years. Could you imagine a 777 taxiing past the old terminal for 27, the wing span would take the roof off - the 330 is even larger!!
You would need widebody loading equipment for the LD8's, along with facilities and space to go with it.
And what about load factors?? If you cant fill a 757, why bring in something larger? That is of course if you are not looking at doing double drops..........
I think we are all getting a bit carried away here. It will be 747's next.
I think it will be a long time before BRS see's anything larger than a 767-200 as it just wouldn't be able to cope.
There are many many things to take into account when dealing with a/c larger than 767-300's such as 777's or 330's.
BRS could not cope with these a/c for quite a few years. Could you imagine a 777 taxiing past the old terminal for 27, the wing span would take the roof off - the 330 is even larger!!
You would need widebody loading equipment for the LD8's, along with facilities and space to go with it.
And what about load factors?? If you cant fill a 757, why bring in something larger? That is of course if you are not looking at doing double drops..........
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Time for Windsheer to eat his words again - EI 330's are coming
in Feb!!!
Two more new routes to be announced in the next few weeks and additional frequency/capx on one probably two other routes.
Might even have something big for WATABENCH for a few weeks.!
in Feb!!!
Two more new routes to be announced in the next few weeks and additional frequency/capx on one probably two other routes.
Might even have something big for WATABENCH for a few weeks.!
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Are they definately coming??
It was the same with the CWL rumour, the deal was done but that was the end of it!
I will eat my words if they turn up, and will be really interested in how the hell they will get a 330 out of that r/way to Dubai.
It was the same with the CWL rumour, the deal was done but that was the end of it!
I will eat my words if they turn up, and will be really interested in how the hell they will get a 330 out of that r/way to Dubai.
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a bristolian - yer might wanna let Servis-scare in on the info, give them time to prepare. God knows they still can't cope with the 767 on a Friday!
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Time for Windsheer to eat his words again - EI 330's are coming
The A330-200 has a wing span of 60.30m (197ft 10in). Looks like it will have to use 09 for all take off's.