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Aha, there you are!
So any news from across the pond matey? Hows the old EK rumour doing, aint heard much about that lately, also whats this rubbish bout Air Wales to JFK, Those ATRs are amazing nowadays aint they!
So any news from across the pond matey? Hows the old EK rumour doing, aint heard much about that lately, also whats this rubbish bout Air Wales to JFK, Those ATRs are amazing nowadays aint they!
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Hang on a minute!!, am I reading this right
"The Nouvelair had a bird strike on departure from Monastir. Serious damage was done to the fan blades on the No1 engine. A replacement aircraft is being brought in with engineers and parts to fix it. They have to replace three blades apparently"
These guys had a major bird strike ex Monastir, they then continued to BRS !!! that must be a three hour plus flight, with an engine that could shake itself to bits at any time, please tell me that this is wrong.
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"The Nouvelair had a bird strike on departure from Monastir. Serious damage was done to the fan blades on the No1 engine. A replacement aircraft is being brought in with engineers and parts to fix it. They have to replace three blades apparently"
These guys had a major bird strike ex Monastir, they then continued to BRS !!! that must be a three hour plus flight, with an engine that could shake itself to bits at any time, please tell me that this is wrong.
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You ever experienced Bristol in the morning? Caos me things.
Yes, often and again this week.
But by the time the CO arrives around 9 most of the morning rush has gone.
I wonder if any American who has never been to Britain before has used the CO inbound to BRS. If so, it must be like arriving in the England of so many Americans' imagination: flying into a toytown airport (compared to what they are used to around New York) over patchworks of fields interspersed with a maze of narrow lanes replete with tiny cars driving on the wrong side of the road, film set villages and (on arrival) people talking like Long John Silver in the old film.
God, I don't know whether to dash off a few verses or apply to Andrew Skipp for a marketing job.
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Fraid so Silvertop, Spoke to the Airtours rep today who's flight it was, Nouvelleair asked the FCA engineers to have a look at it, apparently they said "we don't need to, just look at the blades it's f***ed, no way air worthy" - Thats how bad it was!
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The pilots would have been monitoring the vibration levels on the screens.
Occasionally this can settle down during the climb, and virtually dissapear during the cruise. It can then come back with a vengance during the descent, proving the fact that the engine is damaged.
I am pretty sure they wouldn't want to have endangered themselves - let alone the passengers.
The pilots would have been monitoring the vibration levels on the screens.
Occasionally this can settle down during the climb, and virtually dissapear during the cruise. It can then come back with a vengance during the descent, proving the fact that the engine is damaged.
I am pretty sure they wouldn't want to have endangered themselves - let alone the passengers.
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Woohoo, I've been told that plans for a 2nd floor to be built over the top of the road infront of the front stands/ratrun tunnel, where the pax buses drive, this will apparently have holding lounges and allow pax to walk strait on to the front stands and descend by a staircase, the I/B pax will enter the same way as they do now, building to commence at end of Oct and stands will then stretch right the way along to fire station all nose in, the arm that feeds stands 4 and 5 will be removed.
Anyone heard anymore?
Anyone heard anymore?
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These guys had a major bird strike ex Monastir, they then continued to BRS !!!
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I thought part of the terminal planning constraints was a requirement to present as low a profile as practical, hence the clever design of building it into the side of the hill, giving an airside aspect of one floor plus mezzanine floor and a landside aspect of 2 floors plus mezzanine floor. I often wonder what new pax from BRS make of entering the terminal landside on the ground floor, going up a staircase after check-in to find themselves still apparently on the ground floor once they reach the departure lounge.
As for WATABENCH’s rumour, although the suggestion would not seem to take the terminal building any higher, there would surely be a small matter of planning consents and AFAIK nothing has appeared in the local press about any such proposal. And anything like this would be sure to have reached the ears of the Chew Valley some of whose residents would have blown a gasket at the very thought, because to them it would be the next step along the path towards a fullscale Heathrow amongst the green and pleasant fields. Neither does anything appear in the development documents on the airport website.
Back to the CO EWR route, CAA provisional stats for June have been published today. They show 7151 pax used the route in June, an average of 119 per flight or, put another way, around the 70% load factor that has been bandied about for a number of weeks.
As for WATABENCH’s rumour, although the suggestion would not seem to take the terminal building any higher, there would surely be a small matter of planning consents and AFAIK nothing has appeared in the local press about any such proposal. And anything like this would be sure to have reached the ears of the Chew Valley some of whose residents would have blown a gasket at the very thought, because to them it would be the next step along the path towards a fullscale Heathrow amongst the green and pleasant fields. Neither does anything appear in the development documents on the airport website.
Back to the CO EWR route, CAA provisional stats for June have been published today. They show 7151 pax used the route in June, an average of 119 per flight or, put another way, around the 70% load factor that has been bandied about for a number of weeks.
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Fair point.
Only in this case, the flight was originating from MIR....
Someone once explained to me that pilots, if they suspect there is a possibility of a situation developing where an emergency landing is needed, would rather make that landing at an airport better equiped with emergency gear and people; i.e. UK.
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Just heard on the grape vine that upto 30 new retail outlets are to be opened. Don't know where though as space is already tight in the departure lounge. Have you seen it first thing on a saturday morning?
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Well MV, guess we'll have to wait and see, but trust me its come from a very very good source, as for Fernando's 30 extra retail units, i've herd similar but not that many, as I said before, WHS going downstairs, Flying Visit is having new shop built as we speak and the search comb is going where WHS is now, pax then apparently clear security and will be confronted with shops before reaching the actual lounge.
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I went to Glasgow on Tuesday with easyJet and checked in right in the heart of the morning rush around 5.45 with well over a hundred in the easyJet check-in queues in front of us for various flights (eight desks in all, I think). However, it was very efficient and took not much more than fifteen minutes to check in.
Knowing that about thirty departures were scheduled between 6 and 9 I was slightly concerned about overcrowding during the wait for departure, although previous flights around this time had not been a problem.
And so it proved this time. The departure lounge was very busy but I still found the experience acceptable and we had no problem finding somewhere to sit.
I know all this is subjective, and some people expect more than others, but I felt I was passing through an airport that was not a permanent hassle for the passenger.
I went to Glasgow on Tuesday with easyJet and checked in right in the heart of the morning rush around 5.45 with well over a hundred in the easyJet check-in queues in front of us for various flights (eight desks in all, I think). However, it was very efficient and took not much more than fifteen minutes to check in.
Knowing that about thirty departures were scheduled between 6 and 9 I was slightly concerned about overcrowding during the wait for departure, although previous flights around this time had not been a problem.
And so it proved this time. The departure lounge was very busy but I still found the experience acceptable and we had no problem finding somewhere to sit.
I know all this is subjective, and some people expect more than others, but I felt I was passing through an airport that was not a permanent hassle for the passenger.
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MV I dont think its a 'hassle' problem i think its just more expanding the terminal to cope with future demand as per latest extentions to ramp/arrivals/check-in, hopefully it will mean less crowding in the dept lounge and will feel more 'airy and spacious' as per the terminals original design.
I think its a good idea, also getting rid of the tin shed style rat-run that serves stands 4,5,6 makes the airport look a lot more proffesional to passangers.
As for gates S-air are handling the situation amazingly well, there are 8 gates, 1&2 usually occupied by BA, 3&4 not being user friendly which leaves them with 5,6,7,8 to deal with all these flights, as you said when you travelled there would of been numerous a/c asking for pax and probably none had to wait for a gate, which is a great achivement in my book.
However haveing holding lounges should eleviate any future probs that may occur as BRS handles more and more flights.
I also see BRS is catching NCL in the CAA figs, 9th place will be ours soon!
Erm who the hell are Firsher-Air? B757 just pulled on to stand
I think its a good idea, also getting rid of the tin shed style rat-run that serves stands 4,5,6 makes the airport look a lot more proffesional to passangers.
As for gates S-air are handling the situation amazingly well, there are 8 gates, 1&2 usually occupied by BA, 3&4 not being user friendly which leaves them with 5,6,7,8 to deal with all these flights, as you said when you travelled there would of been numerous a/c asking for pax and probably none had to wait for a gate, which is a great achivement in my book.
However haveing holding lounges should eleviate any future probs that may occur as BRS handles more and more flights.
I also see BRS is catching NCL in the CAA figs, 9th place will be ours soon!
Erm who the hell are Firsher-Air? B757 just pulled on to stand
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Fischer Air = Czech charter airline.
BRS isnt catching up on NCL, NCL is moving further ahead looking at the July growth figures.
People suggesting BRS-EWR will be canned in this thread
BRS-EWR to be canned? (rumour)
BRS isnt catching up on NCL, NCL is moving further ahead looking at the July growth figures.
People suggesting BRS-EWR will be canned in this thread
BRS-EWR to be canned? (rumour)
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Fischer Air were operating the 3W332A to SPU on behalf of Euromanx. This morning Euromanx had Eastern Airways do the OLB for them and tomorrow have got Titan to do the morning BIA. I suppose their own Do328 thats parked up will do the IOM.
It was quite nice to see they had it all planned out in advance.
It was quite nice to see they had it all planned out in advance.
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Just a quick thought on all this CO malarky and the info on Airliners.net(see graham ks last post), surely if the CAA figs for BRS-EWR are 7151 for 1 x daily and BHX-EWR are around 14383 for 2 x daily then BRS's figs aren't that bad considering BHX services use larger a/c aswell, or am I going nuts!
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Someone worked it out, at 69% loads, so personally, I think for a new service it's not doing too shabby.
I think that any evaluation CO might make, will take place next year when the subsidies run out, and whether the loads are sustainable, wiill decide if the route stays or goes
I think that any evaluation CO might make, will take place next year when the subsidies run out, and whether the loads are sustainable, wiill decide if the route stays or goes
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I was somewhat amused reading the Airliners.net thread which seems to be growing by the hour. The lack of knowledge of so many Americans about the UK is mind blowing, yet they still put in their ten pennyworth as if they are experts on all aspects of the country. Somebody even said Bristol is the oil capital of Britain (it might be in the sense of the number of cars on the streets 
). In a funny sort of way perhaps this 'rumour' will bring the route to the attention of more people: one US poster, having read the thread, said he went and booked a flight on it for his sister who is visiting London.
And where does this route subsidy thing come from? The only public ‘subsidy’ of which I am aware is the sum paid to Bristol Airport by the South West Regional Development Agency (£1.5 million from memory) to help upgrade some of the airport facilities. None of the local authorities has any money to subsidise air routes. Bristol City Council hasn’t got the money to properly run those services for which it does have a responsibility. Whether the airport itself has given CO an excellent deal is another matter, but that would be commercially confidential and hardly likely to be made public.
The problem with all this negative stuff is that it can become self-fulfilling. Indeed, both the local paper and local ITV channel have carried stories recently in which both the airport and CO deny there is a problem with the route, which to some people will suggest there might be a problem.
I am surprised the route has not ‘taken off’ more than it has. Most other new routes from BRS in recent years, including some with less obvious potential than EWR, have been runaway successes as far as loads are concerned. I still think Bristol’s proximity to LHR is a difficulty, with many long-haul travellers, for various reasons, loath to break long-held habits. Any axe appearing to be hovering over BRS-EWR will not help to turn this trend around.
CO and the airport did say they were looking to carry 75,000 pax in the first year and the current loads, even with a reduction to five days a week in winter, would just accomplish this.
The only way is to keep publicising the route (I agree with one poster on Airliners that the advertising in the south west is not good) and hope that it will build up. Even Americans visiting London might be surprised how easy and hassle-free BRS is as a gateway to the capital, with trains every half hour taking around an hour and a half.
Finally, Bristol’s provisional load factor for June was 69.29% which compares to BHX’s 69.69%, assuming they have two 757 rotations per day compared to BRS’s one. Yet, some of the posters on Airline who were denigrating BRS’s figures were at the same time saying how well BHX is doing.
). In a funny sort of way perhaps this 'rumour' will bring the route to the attention of more people: one US poster, having read the thread, said he went and booked a flight on it for his sister who is visiting London.And where does this route subsidy thing come from? The only public ‘subsidy’ of which I am aware is the sum paid to Bristol Airport by the South West Regional Development Agency (£1.5 million from memory) to help upgrade some of the airport facilities. None of the local authorities has any money to subsidise air routes. Bristol City Council hasn’t got the money to properly run those services for which it does have a responsibility. Whether the airport itself has given CO an excellent deal is another matter, but that would be commercially confidential and hardly likely to be made public.
The problem with all this negative stuff is that it can become self-fulfilling. Indeed, both the local paper and local ITV channel have carried stories recently in which both the airport and CO deny there is a problem with the route, which to some people will suggest there might be a problem.
I am surprised the route has not ‘taken off’ more than it has. Most other new routes from BRS in recent years, including some with less obvious potential than EWR, have been runaway successes as far as loads are concerned. I still think Bristol’s proximity to LHR is a difficulty, with many long-haul travellers, for various reasons, loath to break long-held habits. Any axe appearing to be hovering over BRS-EWR will not help to turn this trend around.
CO and the airport did say they were looking to carry 75,000 pax in the first year and the current loads, even with a reduction to five days a week in winter, would just accomplish this.
The only way is to keep publicising the route (I agree with one poster on Airliners that the advertising in the south west is not good) and hope that it will build up. Even Americans visiting London might be surprised how easy and hassle-free BRS is as a gateway to the capital, with trains every half hour taking around an hour and a half.
Finally, Bristol’s provisional load factor for June was 69.29% which compares to BHX’s 69.69%, assuming they have two 757 rotations per day compared to BRS’s one. Yet, some of the posters on Airline who were denigrating BRS’s figures were at the same time saying how well BHX is doing.