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What is you problem with our Runway? The days when it limited the growth here are gone - aircraft performance is improving all the time - were adding longer routes all the time - some more very soon. All the airlines check the Rwy is OK before commiting to operating everyone is happy except .........?
And if the long routes from here upset you now then wait until the 787 arrives then I would emigrate if I were you to somewhere like the Indian Ocean ( or further )and who knows you might be able to do it DIRECT from here.!
What is you problem with our Runway? The days when it limited the growth here are gone - aircraft performance is improving all the time - were adding longer routes all the time - some more very soon. All the airlines check the Rwy is OK before commiting to operating everyone is happy except .........?
And if the long routes from here upset you now then wait until the 787 arrives then I would emigrate if I were you to somewhere like the Indian Ocean ( or further )and who knows you might be able to do it DIRECT from here.!
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Look, let’s stop arguing about CWL & BRS and which one is "better". BRS has a wider range of routes to offer than CWL, however CWL is attracting a lot of interest from ThomsonFly and also Jet2. Do not be surprised to see some possible announcement of services from CWL from one of these carriers. BRS has a beautiful terminal, something at the moment Cardiff does not have. However, there are also plans to build a rather large terminal at CWL.
Both airports will grow alongside each other and both airports create good competition on routes. My hypothesis is that BRS will continue to grow with EZY and also FCA. CWL will still grow, but their growth will be at a slower rate than BRS. CWL will achieve more long haul routes and also more niche routes. BMIbaby will not expand a great deal at CWL, but will remain here. Competition from another LCC such as FR, Jet2 or Thomson Fly could possibly happen in the near future..
As for EK..I believe they will choose CWL!
Don't forget CWL is getting a train service and a dual carriage way from the M4 to the airport, instead of the two lane 50mph road that is currently in place.
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Both airports will grow alongside each other and both airports create good competition on routes. My hypothesis is that BRS will continue to grow with EZY and also FCA. CWL will still grow, but their growth will be at a slower rate than BRS. CWL will achieve more long haul routes and also more niche routes. BMIbaby will not expand a great deal at CWL, but will remain here. Competition from another LCC such as FR, Jet2 or Thomson Fly could possibly happen in the near future..
As for EK..I believe they will choose CWL!
Don't forget CWL is getting a train service and a dual carriage way from the M4 to the airport, instead of the two lane 50mph road that is currently in place.
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Come on guys - couldn't you sense I was trying to get you to "take the bait" - which you did! 
As far as the 787 is concerned, I think you will definately see it at BRS - possibly from the word go (FCA of course). I will probably end up benefiting form that as I work at BRS (thats shocked you), plus I might go and work for FCA - haven't decided yet................................!
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As far as the 787 is concerned, I think you will definately see it at BRS - possibly from the word go (FCA of course). I will probably end up benefiting form that as I work at BRS (thats shocked you), plus I might go and work for FCA - haven't decided yet................................!
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I hope you have had your fun!!
A lot of new jobs are being created following CO's decsion to fly BRSEWR. Your continued comments about runway performance from BRS do absolutely nothing to help with this new service.
I do wish you all the best with your future career at Bristol.
I hope you have had your fun!!
A lot of new jobs are being created following CO's decsion to fly BRSEWR. Your continued comments about runway performance from BRS do absolutely nothing to help with this new service.
I do wish you all the best with your future career at Bristol.
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Ok, jokes aside - I am normally quite a serious person.
My comments on the CO runway thing are purely through my own beliefs, and are not an attempted wind up.
I hope it 'takes off' I really do - I wouldn't mind flying over there myself in the near future!!
As far as my Welsh - English thing goes, come on there has got to be some fun on here.
Come on, lighten up lads.
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My comments on the CO runway thing are purely through my own beliefs, and are not an attempted wind up.
I hope it 'takes off' I really do - I wouldn't mind flying over there myself in the near future!!
As far as my Welsh - English thing goes, come on there has got to be some fun on here.
Come on, lighten up lads.
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Interesting news about Easyjet and Basle. Possible Brs route using a based Basle aircraft. That will still leave a possible 3 new routes if we ever get this new aircraft.
Brochure 2006 release in 2 weeks time wonder what it will show?
I was Just reading this article and I am trying to work out if I am more angry or amused so I thought I would see what every one else thinks. I know that this will happen when every airport around the world opens or changes slightly but I excpect that at least 95% pf the people who write these things have used the airport and will continue to do so. Not only that but who long has the airport been here? Roads Rail and Air have had increasing volumes for longer than I can imagine and I can't see any of them stopping. The bit that makes me laugh is the bit about BRS being the new LGW/LHR lets see 2030 9 million Pax or 65 million slight difference there then. Green Belt land is important to our country but, Im sorry to say in 100 years time there will be very little left. There is not much we can do about it as the population will continue to rise and therefore houses will need to be built as will roads and rail. Jobs will need to be created as will tourism to bring in some sort of Finance to help with all of this.
I ask you NIMBYS how else are your childrens children going to be able to live.
Sorry about that just needed to vent off a bit of steam here is the article:-
CONSULTATION OVER AIRPORT'S FUTURE IS A FARCE
11:00 - 30 March 2005
What a farce this consultation exercise being run by Bristol International Airport is. It's a bit like having a 30-storey block of flats built in your garden against your will and being told by the kind, caring contractor that you will be allowed to choose whether the doors will be painted pink or orange.
Unfortunately, when this environmental disaster becomes a reality in 2020 or sooner, the company, on behalf of its hungry shareholders, will be able to pass off its responsibility by saying: "Well, we did consult the local people and stakeholders back in 2005."
I would like to ask a few questions which were omitted from the original document for the perusal of the residents of the area.
Will residents mind being woken up every 30 minutes at night by the thunder of aircraft engines?
Would they like to be able to cross the road before an hour has elapsed after a plane has landed?
Will they feel a little apprehensive when the shadow of a giant new Airbus blots out the sun?
Do they prefer the smell of fresh air to stale kerosene and old petrol fumes?
Are they aware that aircraft are some of the worst polluters and greatest contributors of greenhouse gases?
Would it worry them if a motorway was driven through the Chew Valley?
If 99 per cent of those consulted answered yes, would it make the slightest difference to the perpetrators of this degradation of our environment, who intend to turn North Somerset into a new Gatwick or, by 2030, Heathrow?
It really is ironic that the airport's high moral stance on persecuting local farms for running illegal parking in the green belt will count for little when they are forced to Tarmac over those very fields to build new runways.
The growth of the airport has been insidious since it was sold off. Perhaps they thought if it were done stealthily enough, people wouldn't notice.
Well, people have noticed the effect this is having on the environment of the Chew Valley and the fact that this is being done with government approval.
Of course the countryside everywhere is under attack from housing, motorways and industry, but to have this monster digesting our local green and pleasant land is frightening.
I realise, of course, that any opposition will be lampooned as "nimbyism", but if the locals don't stand up and be counted, who will?
You can be sure those nine million passengers will not care a damn about it if it means a shorter drive and cheap flights.
However, all is not yet lost if we make our voices heard and demand an end to further expansion and an embargo on night flights - that is, of course, unless you already have your house on the market.
Brian Vowles, Compton Dando
Brochure 2006 release in 2 weeks time wonder what it will show?
I was Just reading this article and I am trying to work out if I am more angry or amused so I thought I would see what every one else thinks. I know that this will happen when every airport around the world opens or changes slightly but I excpect that at least 95% pf the people who write these things have used the airport and will continue to do so. Not only that but who long has the airport been here? Roads Rail and Air have had increasing volumes for longer than I can imagine and I can't see any of them stopping. The bit that makes me laugh is the bit about BRS being the new LGW/LHR lets see 2030 9 million Pax or 65 million slight difference there then. Green Belt land is important to our country but, Im sorry to say in 100 years time there will be very little left. There is not much we can do about it as the population will continue to rise and therefore houses will need to be built as will roads and rail. Jobs will need to be created as will tourism to bring in some sort of Finance to help with all of this.
I ask you NIMBYS how else are your childrens children going to be able to live.
Sorry about that just needed to vent off a bit of steam here is the article:-
CONSULTATION OVER AIRPORT'S FUTURE IS A FARCE
11:00 - 30 March 2005
What a farce this consultation exercise being run by Bristol International Airport is. It's a bit like having a 30-storey block of flats built in your garden against your will and being told by the kind, caring contractor that you will be allowed to choose whether the doors will be painted pink or orange.
Unfortunately, when this environmental disaster becomes a reality in 2020 or sooner, the company, on behalf of its hungry shareholders, will be able to pass off its responsibility by saying: "Well, we did consult the local people and stakeholders back in 2005."
I would like to ask a few questions which were omitted from the original document for the perusal of the residents of the area.
Will residents mind being woken up every 30 minutes at night by the thunder of aircraft engines?
Would they like to be able to cross the road before an hour has elapsed after a plane has landed?
Will they feel a little apprehensive when the shadow of a giant new Airbus blots out the sun?
Do they prefer the smell of fresh air to stale kerosene and old petrol fumes?
Are they aware that aircraft are some of the worst polluters and greatest contributors of greenhouse gases?
Would it worry them if a motorway was driven through the Chew Valley?
If 99 per cent of those consulted answered yes, would it make the slightest difference to the perpetrators of this degradation of our environment, who intend to turn North Somerset into a new Gatwick or, by 2030, Heathrow?
It really is ironic that the airport's high moral stance on persecuting local farms for running illegal parking in the green belt will count for little when they are forced to Tarmac over those very fields to build new runways.
The growth of the airport has been insidious since it was sold off. Perhaps they thought if it were done stealthily enough, people wouldn't notice.
Well, people have noticed the effect this is having on the environment of the Chew Valley and the fact that this is being done with government approval.
Of course the countryside everywhere is under attack from housing, motorways and industry, but to have this monster digesting our local green and pleasant land is frightening.
I realise, of course, that any opposition will be lampooned as "nimbyism", but if the locals don't stand up and be counted, who will?
You can be sure those nine million passengers will not care a damn about it if it means a shorter drive and cheap flights.
However, all is not yet lost if we make our voices heard and demand an end to further expansion and an embargo on night flights - that is, of course, unless you already have your house on the market.
Brian Vowles, Compton Dando
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Some good points raised, but (and don't take this as me sticking up for one or the other, as i like to look at it from both angles) i would imagine the airport was operational before a lot of local residents moved into their houses, they would of been aware of it, but obviously they wouldn't of known how business would grow at BRS so its a no win situation for both parties really.
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Its the same all over the country my mucka. People buy a house with the address:
76 Landing Gear View,
Heathrow Road,
Heathrow,
London,
747 FLY
Then they complain of the noise.
76 Landing Gear View,
Heathrow Road,
Heathrow,
London,
747 FLY
Then they complain of the noise.
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Guess your both right.
I suppose it just wouldnt bother me living under the flight path cause it is where I work.
Heard something yesterday which links in with what 'a bristolian' said
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I was told by some who works at the airport who has ties with Boeing that the airport (BRS) has been promised that the new dreamliner 787 will be able to operate fully in all conditions and 'WITH NO TECH STOP EVER'!!!
Interesting!
Also new Checkin area is due to be opened 18th April. Arrivals due end of May
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I suppose it just wouldnt bother me living under the flight path cause it is where I work.
Heard something yesterday which links in with what 'a bristolian' said
And if the long routes from here upset you now then wait until the 787 arrives
I was told by some who works at the airport who has ties with Boeing that the airport (BRS) has been promised that the new dreamliner 787 will be able to operate fully in all conditions and 'WITH NO TECH STOP EVER'!!!
Interesting!
Also new Checkin area is due to be opened 18th April. Arrivals due end of May
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I take it this article was in the form of a letter to the local press. I think the clue to the writer’s real worry is in his final sentence – the price of his house. All the fine talk about environmentalism is pure waffle.
I can tell you that the roads around the airport are no more polluted now than when Broadfield Down was the haunt of glider pilots after the war. As a child in the 1940s and 1950s I lived first at Wrington then at Redhill, on the A 38 two miles south of what is now Bristol Airport.
In those days there was no M 5 and the A 38 was the only artery from the North, Midlands and Bristol to the Southwest. If you think how busy this road is now at rush hour times, with the thousands of commuters rushing to their Bristol offices and home again in the evening to their fine country homes, then you will have an idea of what it was like for most of the time in the 1950s. Outside the rush hour the A 38 is still like a country lane compared to those post war days. If it weren’t I would not cycle along it at my age, and I do.
As for the villages in the Chew Valley, I am out there a lot, both on my bike and in my car. The main congestion is caused by thoughtless locals who park their cars in such places as the narrow Chew Magna High Street, and by the four-wheel-drive brigade on the school runs.
Compared to many airports very few people are affected by Lulsgate’s flights because few live in the vicinity. But those that do are often well-off, well educated, well-connected and well able to make a fuss.
The airport hasn’t stopped house buyers falling over themselves to buy the new executive homes on the former Winford Hospital site which is no more than a mile and a half from the threshold of 27. You can almost touch the ‘planes as they approach overhead. I expect many of these house buyers will be at the front of the queue demanding no further expansion of the airport, despite having bought their houses knowing them to be almost at the end of the runway. I also expect that many of them, like many of the other NIMBYs, use the airport from time to time.
The airport is there, it will continue to grow but clearly must not be allowed to do so in a way that is out of control. That is what this consultation is all about. However, the likes of Mr Vowles are scare mongering beyond belief when they suggest a motorway will be driven through the Chew Valley and a Gatwick or Heathrow will be perched above Lulsgate Bottom in 2030.
As for the Boeing 787, a brief internet search reveals there are three variants. The 787-3 will carry up to 296 pax in a two class configuration with a range of 6,500 km and certification/entry to service is 2010. The 787-8 will carry up to 223 pax in a three class configuration with a range of 15,700km and certification/entry to service is 2008. The 787-9 is a bigger version of the 8 but won’t enter service until at least 2012 and that will depend on market conditions.
So are we saying that both the 3 and the 8 could use BRS without let or hindrance as to the runway?
I take it this article was in the form of a letter to the local press. I think the clue to the writer’s real worry is in his final sentence – the price of his house. All the fine talk about environmentalism is pure waffle.
I can tell you that the roads around the airport are no more polluted now than when Broadfield Down was the haunt of glider pilots after the war. As a child in the 1940s and 1950s I lived first at Wrington then at Redhill, on the A 38 two miles south of what is now Bristol Airport.
In those days there was no M 5 and the A 38 was the only artery from the North, Midlands and Bristol to the Southwest. If you think how busy this road is now at rush hour times, with the thousands of commuters rushing to their Bristol offices and home again in the evening to their fine country homes, then you will have an idea of what it was like for most of the time in the 1950s. Outside the rush hour the A 38 is still like a country lane compared to those post war days. If it weren’t I would not cycle along it at my age, and I do.
As for the villages in the Chew Valley, I am out there a lot, both on my bike and in my car. The main congestion is caused by thoughtless locals who park their cars in such places as the narrow Chew Magna High Street, and by the four-wheel-drive brigade on the school runs.
Compared to many airports very few people are affected by Lulsgate’s flights because few live in the vicinity. But those that do are often well-off, well educated, well-connected and well able to make a fuss.
The airport hasn’t stopped house buyers falling over themselves to buy the new executive homes on the former Winford Hospital site which is no more than a mile and a half from the threshold of 27. You can almost touch the ‘planes as they approach overhead. I expect many of these house buyers will be at the front of the queue demanding no further expansion of the airport, despite having bought their houses knowing them to be almost at the end of the runway. I also expect that many of them, like many of the other NIMBYs, use the airport from time to time.
The airport is there, it will continue to grow but clearly must not be allowed to do so in a way that is out of control. That is what this consultation is all about. However, the likes of Mr Vowles are scare mongering beyond belief when they suggest a motorway will be driven through the Chew Valley and a Gatwick or Heathrow will be perched above Lulsgate Bottom in 2030.
As for the Boeing 787, a brief internet search reveals there are three variants. The 787-3 will carry up to 296 pax in a two class configuration with a range of 6,500 km and certification/entry to service is 2010. The 787-8 will carry up to 223 pax in a three class configuration with a range of 15,700km and certification/entry to service is 2008. The 787-9 is a bigger version of the 8 but won’t enter service until at least 2012 and that will depend on market conditions.
So are we saying that both the 3 and the 8 could use BRS without let or hindrance as to the runway?
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...Well I was told that the aircraft that was going to be operating will have less seats than the 757 but a better range so I am guessing/hoping the 787-8. Guess we will have to wait and see unless some one can help?!!!
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Ba's 5 Based RJ145 has arrived at Bristol from Manchester this evening ready to operate a full Zurich flight in the morning.
The poor thing looks a bit lonely up on 21 next to the Brit 757, with the KLM take stand 16 stopping it from joining its colleagues!
Of course tonight is the only night it will be staying here as tommorow it is off to stay in FRA.
To sum up 5 based aircraft 3 at BRS 1 in GLA and 1 in FRA. Just think if easy did this it would be like ghost town in the mornings!!!
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The poor thing looks a bit lonely up on 21 next to the Brit 757, with the KLM take stand 16 stopping it from joining its colleagues!
Of course tonight is the only night it will be staying here as tommorow it is off to stay in FRA.
To sum up 5 based aircraft 3 at BRS 1 in GLA and 1 in FRA. Just think if easy did this it would be like ghost town in the mornings!!!
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I've just looked at the Eastern Apron website plan and the Zurich is shown parked on Stand 1 (G-EMBC). I thought when I looked that this was a signal honour. Have they got it wrong on the plan?
Do I read you correct when you say this is a full load? If so, does it contain a fair proportion of freebie travellers publicising the new route?
Let's hope this route is a success this time. Crossair didn't seem to be able to make it work about ten years ago but the aviation market is different now.
The easy route to Geneva seems to be doing very well with CAA stats showing figures that indicate an average load approaching 91% in February. I know that is mainly a ski route in winter but at least it shows that well over 8½ thousand people were prepared to fly a scheduled route to/from Switzerland in one month (the abridged month of February at that), with another 3½ thousand on charter flights to the same destination.
Promising signs for Zurich then.
I've just looked at the Eastern Apron website plan and the Zurich is shown parked on Stand 1 (G-EMBC). I thought when I looked that this was a signal honour. Have they got it wrong on the plan?
Do I read you correct when you say this is a full load? If so, does it contain a fair proportion of freebie travellers publicising the new route?
Let's hope this route is a success this time. Crossair didn't seem to be able to make it work about ten years ago but the aviation market is different now.
The easy route to Geneva seems to be doing very well with CAA stats showing figures that indicate an average load approaching 91% in February. I know that is mainly a ski route in winter but at least it shows that well over 8½ thousand people were prepared to fly a scheduled route to/from Switzerland in one month (the abridged month of February at that), with another 3½ thousand on charter flights to the same destination.
Promising signs for Zurich then.
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Had a sneaky peak in the new check-in area the other day, with the obscured windows gives it quite a cosy feel in there, quite nice really, , First Choice, Mytravel and Excel Airways/Aeroconnect confirmed going in there, Thomsons not been offered a good enough deal apparently?!?