Whats the problem with NEMA?
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Whats the problem with NEMA?
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I dont think the problem is related to DSA or airlines like Jet 2 and thomsonfly expanding at other airports as they could possibly launch at ema to complement what theyve got.
There has been no major expansion at East Midlands in ages, both Easyjet and Ryanair stated that they wanted to focus theyre operation on EMA a bit more with talks of Easyjet perhaps launching new routes and reisntating routes now they have more aircraft and actually increase above 9 routes rather than the losing one and then adding one style which is currently what theyre doing, as for ryanair they were rumoured to be greatly increasing the routes for winter at EMA and showed a lot of enthusiasm for it but nothing other than a rome service also heard that they were going to persue it into a major base, perhaps one of these two new bases theyre announcing, i mean surely they could do East Midlands to Milan, Frankfurt, Stockholm, Glasgow and even possibly London Gatwick as a London service could be good especially run by ryanair. They could make Milan Rome and Gerona at least twice daily as well and perhaps base 3/4 738s. As for easyjet they could surely increase the number of destinations they fly to and base 4/5 aircraft. As for bmibaby i dont think they really need to expand, i think they should go more into their market at other bases and transfer routes previously scheduled with bmi back to bmi except Paris, Amsterdam, Glasgow, Edinburgh. But 5/6 733s for them would do justice at EMA i think then perhaps a couple of A319s or ERJs for bmi.
Also i thought one of these foreign locos might have done a service or two to NEMA such as snowflake, volareweb, hapag lloyd express, helvectic, wizz air, air berlin particulalry or germanwings.
Hopefully we will see some new prommising announcements this winter for next summer and some of this may happen. Does anyone have any info, rumours or insider information?
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I dont think the problem is related to DSA or airlines like Jet 2 and thomsonfly expanding at other airports as they could possibly launch at ema to complement what theyve got.
There has been no major expansion at East Midlands in ages, both Easyjet and Ryanair stated that they wanted to focus theyre operation on EMA a bit more with talks of Easyjet perhaps launching new routes and reisntating routes now they have more aircraft and actually increase above 9 routes rather than the losing one and then adding one style which is currently what theyre doing, as for ryanair they were rumoured to be greatly increasing the routes for winter at EMA and showed a lot of enthusiasm for it but nothing other than a rome service also heard that they were going to persue it into a major base, perhaps one of these two new bases theyre announcing, i mean surely they could do East Midlands to Milan, Frankfurt, Stockholm, Glasgow and even possibly London Gatwick as a London service could be good especially run by ryanair. They could make Milan Rome and Gerona at least twice daily as well and perhaps base 3/4 738s. As for easyjet they could surely increase the number of destinations they fly to and base 4/5 aircraft. As for bmibaby i dont think they really need to expand, i think they should go more into their market at other bases and transfer routes previously scheduled with bmi back to bmi except Paris, Amsterdam, Glasgow, Edinburgh. But 5/6 733s for them would do justice at EMA i think then perhaps a couple of A319s or ERJs for bmi.
Also i thought one of these foreign locos might have done a service or two to NEMA such as snowflake, volareweb, hapag lloyd express, helvectic, wizz air, air berlin particulalry or germanwings.
Hopefully we will see some new prommising announcements this winter for next summer and some of this may happen. Does anyone have any info, rumours or insider information?
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Probably has more to do with the owners Manchester airport group...!
We would be delighted to see more cargo flights at Manchester but that now seems to be the preserve of NEMA.
Likewise if a lo co approaches NEMA and in turn ManPlc they probably promote Manchester as a more cost effective option as has happened in the last 2years with the explosive growth of Loco Ex Manchester.
Initially the Man board were not interested in this traffic placing faith in BA, until they could see market share being eaten away rapidly, they and entered the market in an agggresive style
and have very cunningly creamed off considerable growth that may well have ended up at places like NEMA...
personnally I would rather see LH MD11s but you can'thave everything...!
We would be delighted to see more cargo flights at Manchester but that now seems to be the preserve of NEMA.
Likewise if a lo co approaches NEMA and in turn ManPlc they probably promote Manchester as a more cost effective option as has happened in the last 2years with the explosive growth of Loco Ex Manchester.
Initially the Man board were not interested in this traffic placing faith in BA, until they could see market share being eaten away rapidly, they and entered the market in an agggresive style
and have very cunningly creamed off considerable growth that may well have ended up at places like NEMA...
personnally I would rather see LH MD11s but you can'thave everything...!
NEMA'S problem is to some extent geographical.
Whereas BHX is really too close to LHR to be able to sustain the number of long haul services that the UK's second city should, EMA is always under the shadow of BHX as far as European routes are concerned. This has resulted in the airport being unable to sustain business routes at any sort of frequency (CDG / BRU and AMS excepted) and left it chasing the bucket and spade brigade to whom frequency is less important than being able to fall out of bed and on to a plane to Spain.
Add in then the competition on those leisure routes from LBA, HUY, CVT and soon, Finningley and it's quite difficult to see where the pax growth is going to come from.
Good news is that EMA has unrivalled cargo facilities, and for as long as the NIMBYs from Kegworth, Sawley, Breedon and the like don't get the upper hand this is where the airport will really see growth, since BHX is totally inept in the cargo department.
Whereas BHX is really too close to LHR to be able to sustain the number of long haul services that the UK's second city should, EMA is always under the shadow of BHX as far as European routes are concerned. This has resulted in the airport being unable to sustain business routes at any sort of frequency (CDG / BRU and AMS excepted) and left it chasing the bucket and spade brigade to whom frequency is less important than being able to fall out of bed and on to a plane to Spain.
Add in then the competition on those leisure routes from LBA, HUY, CVT and soon, Finningley and it's quite difficult to see where the pax growth is going to come from.
Good news is that EMA has unrivalled cargo facilities, and for as long as the NIMBYs from Kegworth, Sawley, Breedon and the like don't get the upper hand this is where the airport will really see growth, since BHX is totally inept in the cargo department.
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To answer the thread title directly, what problem with NEMA? They were one of the first regional airports to be developed by the no-frills carriers, hence their rate of growth has slowed as the market matures. NEMA is no longer unexploited territory. And inevitably, carriers serving or considering new EMA operations MUST take account of competition elsewhere within the region. FlyBe, MyTravel Lite and BMI Baby at BHX plus Thomsonfly and HLX at CVT all feed off the substantial but not limitless Midlands catchment area. DSA will impact too, and some pax will leak to LTN/STN.
NEMA need only consider itself to have a 'problem' if significant loss of services (or a major carrier) occurs. A period of consolidation allowing it's generous portfolio of relatively new services to bed-in is healthy. Speculative expansion by no-frills carriers into the region is likely to prove damaging in the medium term; too many carriers are trying to serve the same few destinations from the same Midlands at high frequency. Success for the next couple of years will be measured by not losing the services already attracted. NEMA will be best served by not further contributing to the no-frills over-expansion now. The marketplace will dictate when new services come to EMA, not the MAplc marketing machine. Bearing in mind the scale of growth enjoyed by EMA since MAplc gained ownership, talks of a MAplc conspiracy theory restraining EMA expansion is clearly ludicrous. Why would they stifle their own cash-cow? MAN itself has had to watch potential new operators go elsewhere due to it's critical lack of peak-hour slots.
NEMA need only consider itself to have a 'problem' if significant loss of services (or a major carrier) occurs. A period of consolidation allowing it's generous portfolio of relatively new services to bed-in is healthy. Speculative expansion by no-frills carriers into the region is likely to prove damaging in the medium term; too many carriers are trying to serve the same few destinations from the same Midlands at high frequency. Success for the next couple of years will be measured by not losing the services already attracted. NEMA will be best served by not further contributing to the no-frills over-expansion now. The marketplace will dictate when new services come to EMA, not the MAplc marketing machine. Bearing in mind the scale of growth enjoyed by EMA since MAplc gained ownership, talks of a MAplc conspiracy theory restraining EMA expansion is clearly ludicrous. Why would they stifle their own cash-cow? MAN itself has had to watch potential new operators go elsewhere due to it's critical lack of peak-hour slots.
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Yeah but its just that all these new routes have been talked about but no the slightest has happened with announcements. Are there due to be any.
Does anyone know the plans for the cargo development and the likely new traffic were going to get. If were attracting so much cargo then how come we arent attracting any long haul such a CO or AA seeing as the locos are slowing down their inrodes into NEMA. Surely CO and AA are not beyond NEMAs horizons, i mean bristol got CO for a start and id hardly call bristol superior to NEMA for long haul with its tiny 757 only runway in comparison. NEMA could do what carriers want to do from BHX but with 777s rather than 767s which are the limit at BHX.
I just feel NEMA has not been any of the talk recently, when i registered there were lots of topics about NEMA, its just there seems to be a hole somewhere as if something has been left out or something major is to come.
Another thing whens this proposed new pax terminal going to start construction and where is it going to be located.
On the brightside though there are three long haul 767 routes with FCA next summer which should open up the market to BY, MYT, MON, XLA and TCX. It could possibly encourage CO or AA but thats unlikely, it will be interesting to see if any further decent long haul charters are added next year or whether another airline will base like excel or monarch. Perhaps TCX will goto a 757.
What are your views?
Does anyone know the plans for the cargo development and the likely new traffic were going to get. If were attracting so much cargo then how come we arent attracting any long haul such a CO or AA seeing as the locos are slowing down their inrodes into NEMA. Surely CO and AA are not beyond NEMAs horizons, i mean bristol got CO for a start and id hardly call bristol superior to NEMA for long haul with its tiny 757 only runway in comparison. NEMA could do what carriers want to do from BHX but with 777s rather than 767s which are the limit at BHX.
I just feel NEMA has not been any of the talk recently, when i registered there were lots of topics about NEMA, its just there seems to be a hole somewhere as if something has been left out or something major is to come.
Another thing whens this proposed new pax terminal going to start construction and where is it going to be located.
On the brightside though there are three long haul 767 routes with FCA next summer which should open up the market to BY, MYT, MON, XLA and TCX. It could possibly encourage CO or AA but thats unlikely, it will be interesting to see if any further decent long haul charters are added next year or whether another airline will base like excel or monarch. Perhaps TCX will goto a 757.
What are your views?
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NEMA and BHX
Birmingham International Airport is now a major UK Airport with long haul destinations which include New York 2 x daily, Abu Dhabi from (1/6/05), Dubai 2x daily from 1/6/05, Tashkent, Tehran, Ashkabad, Amritsar, Islamabad plus long haul charteres including Goa for winter 2005/6. Alitalia have just commenced services. Birmingham is Britains second city and IS attracting both flag carriers and No frills carriers. NEMA is a great airport so come on don't blame BHX for NEMA problems.
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i mean bristol got CO for a start and id hardly call bristol superior to NEMA for long haul with its tiny 757 only runway in comparison
The south west has the second strongest economy of any region outside London per capita GDP, and Greater Bristol provides 25% of the south west's GDP. There is also an above average number of ABC 1s using Bristol Airport.
Forget Bristol being a smallish to medium sized city of 400,000. That is the city population, kept within a restricted municipal boundary for purely party political reasons. The urban sprawl actually numbers closer to 700,000 with the satellite towns pushing it up even further to around one million people living within ½ hour's drive of the city centre.
Chuck in the well-off of the Cotswolds, Bath and Somerset, plus those from further afield who regard BRS as their local airport and you might begin to see why CO view BRS as a likely winner.
Now NEMA might have all these things as well. I don't know. If it has perhaps the airport management should be looked at.
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NEMA has a well known, respected, ex Airline Commercial Director, working on new markets and am sure there will be more things to follow soon.
Does anyone know of any new services in the pipeline? I think until some investment is made into the terminal with some kind of extension, there will be few new services at NEMA.
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I was not trying to offend BHX or BRI or to link them to cause ema the problem i was just trying to state facts about them.
As for the terminal expansion i agree theyll be nothing until then as its long overdue because the terminal is what id call overfull at peak summer landside and just about coping airside.
As for the terminal expansion i agree theyll be nothing until then as its long overdue because the terminal is what id call overfull at peak summer landside and just about coping airside.
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Facts
Quote "NEMA could do what carriers want to do from BHX but with 777s rather than 767s which are the limit at BHX."
Fact: Emirates operate daily using a high density 777-200 to Dubai.
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Fact: Emirates operate daily using a high density 777-200 to Dubai.
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What happened to the plans to build a dedicated railway station (East Midlands Parkway) & link it to the airport via a shuttle bus.
The plans were first announced when the National Express Group won the Midland Mainline franchisee soon after the railways were privatised.
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The plans were first announced when the National Express Group won the Midland Mainline franchisee soon after the railways were privatised.
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