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agree with the list coasting, but can't see it happening. Looks like Leeds and its glut of double & treble daily runs to the sun is the money spinner in 05 that will subsidise the inevitable start-up costs of getting a foothold in the North West. Investing in a batch of new routes from Leeds will incur more cost and will be a significant drain on resources alongside the aggressive start-up in MAN. With no more growth from Jet2 and flyBe not doing anything until 06, at least we know why none of the terminal developments are happening.
Inkjet - the hotel was built inside the airfield planning boundary and still took an age to get planning approval. It will help the process as will the encouragement from the Govt, but it's not a given by any stretch. I still think a commitment from a l/haul operator and the demonstrable economic benefits for the region could swing it.
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Inkjet - the hotel was built inside the airfield planning boundary and still took an age to get planning approval. It will help the process as will the encouragement from the Govt, but it's not a given by any stretch. I still think a commitment from a l/haul operator and the demonstrable economic benefits for the region could swing it.
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I understand the hotel planning took a long time to go through because of the pathetic design. Apparently it was even worse than the ugly shed that we have now.
I have asked the question before, who is this so called hotel aimed at? Is it even a hotel? Maybe its for truck drivers.
The LBA management even boasted about the multi-million pound development. Its a joke.
I have asked the question before, who is this so called hotel aimed at? Is it even a hotel? Maybe its for truck drivers.
The LBA management even boasted about the multi-million pound development. Its a joke.
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You'll forgive me for asking this question, but I am a little ignorant when it comes to these sorts of things... and also because I'm sure this will have been asked before....
Why is 300m the key distance? Why not 200m or 400m?
Thanks
Why is 300m the key distance? Why not 200m or 400m?
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Regarding the AEU operation for MyTravel,
This is just Astreaus holding the slots for MyTravel - hence no flight numbers in the system, just the AEU code..
No aircraft has yet been sourced to operate the former MYT based program. In a previous post of mine about 4 months ago I said that MYT were looking to source a Y149 seater for Leeds. This is still the same. Astreaus were given the task by MYT of sourcing that aircraft - the search is still continuing. Astreaus have no intention of operating the based program for MYT themselves due to lack of aircraft and the fact there is not a full program throughout the week.
This is just Astreaus holding the slots for MyTravel - hence no flight numbers in the system, just the AEU code..
No aircraft has yet been sourced to operate the former MYT based program. In a previous post of mine about 4 months ago I said that MYT were looking to source a Y149 seater for Leeds. This is still the same. Astreaus were given the task by MYT of sourcing that aircraft - the search is still continuing. Astreaus have no intention of operating the based program for MYT themselves due to lack of aircraft and the fact there is not a full program throughout the week.
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Going LoCo
The hotel was an on & off project for years, part of the delay came from the council's wish to be involved in a joint venture, no self respecting hotel group would get involved in that type of deal, so it drifted off and on. The delay on the present building was, as stated elsewhere due to design and asthetic issue's, either way it is difficult to see who it is aimed at.
The LBA press twerps go on about aircrew and confrence market plus LoCo customers, a nights stay is more than the flight ticket!!
I am no expert on planning, but building a hotel in on a green field site is more demanding than pouring concrete! on the other hand if Leeds were to announce an extra 300 meter runway then Swampy and his pal's would be digging like Selby miners, far better to say that an over run area is being bulit to protect the good soul's of Scotland lane.
Cheers
Burt
The LBA press twerps go on about aircrew and confrence market plus LoCo customers, a nights stay is more than the flight ticket!!
I am no expert on planning, but building a hotel in on a green field site is more demanding than pouring concrete! on the other hand if Leeds were to announce an extra 300 meter runway then Swampy and his pal's would be digging like Selby miners, far better to say that an over run area is being bulit to protect the good soul's of Scotland lane.
Cheers
Burt
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Bombardier, there are rather a lot of assumptions in your statement and I don't think all of them are accurate. As far as I can tell (and I think I can) then the programme is a full-week one with the odd few W patterns thrown in to other UK airports on quiet days (Mon + Tue). Also there may be one or two other things that you don't know about yet in the programme. Suggest we wait and see.
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Flightrider,
Perhaps my post lacked the clarity I intended, but I am aware of "some other things" that will possibly (and hopefully probably) happen. As I understand, it is not yet finalised yet, therefore didn't refer to this directly in my post, I wasn't aware it was common knowledge.
Should it come off, then yes, you are correct, it will justify an AEU airframe based at Leeds. Should it not, that airframe will almost definately go elsewhere, then what I stated in my post is what the situation really is (ie back to what it was some months ago).
I was only specifically refering to the MYT program in relation to AEU as it appears at the moment in the system (somewhat unclearly) in my statement, ie what you see in the system is not necessarily what is going to happen.
As you say, wait and see...
Perhaps my post lacked the clarity I intended, but I am aware of "some other things" that will possibly (and hopefully probably) happen. As I understand, it is not yet finalised yet, therefore didn't refer to this directly in my post, I wasn't aware it was common knowledge.
Should it come off, then yes, you are correct, it will justify an AEU airframe based at Leeds. Should it not, that airframe will almost definately go elsewhere, then what I stated in my post is what the situation really is (ie back to what it was some months ago).
I was only specifically refering to the MYT program in relation to AEU as it appears at the moment in the system (somewhat unclearly) in my statement, ie what you see in the system is not necessarily what is going to happen.
As you say, wait and see...
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Regardless of the delays in agreeing what would be built and who would finance it, a planning application was still required for the hotel and this was contested by the planning officers, despite it being in the defined operational boundary. Whatever the airport may choose to call an extra 300m, it will be a 'runway extension' in the eyes of the press, the politicians and the local lobbyists and any planning decision will be highly contentious. In comparison, getting the hotel through the process will seem like a cakewalk
One would hope that Anderson has parked this particular issue and is instead trying to catch up with a certain Mr Meeson to enquire whether Leeds' role in the grand plan is just to finance the assault on the NW and if so, what needs to be done to get a bit of route development back across to LBA.
loco
One would hope that Anderson has parked this particular issue and is instead trying to catch up with a certain Mr Meeson to enquire whether Leeds' role in the grand plan is just to finance the assault on the NW and if so, what needs to be done to get a bit of route development back across to LBA.
loco
There's a whole raft of rumours doing the rounds at the moment.
FlyBe Guernsey, Jersey and Aberdeen and one or two French places. Oh, and Jet2 canning the Paris next year. I do hope the FlyBe stuff is true and the Jet2 bit isn't. Let's keep our fingers crossed and hopes up .
FlyBe Guernsey, Jersey and Aberdeen and one or two French places. Oh, and Jet2 canning the Paris next year. I do hope the FlyBe stuff is true and the Jet2 bit isn't. Let's keep our fingers crossed and hopes up .
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Also rumours that Jet2 were waiting for Thomsonfly to announce their routes before they announced more, apparantly is Jet2s second birthday on Saturday, maybe routes could be announced then?
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Leodis
I suppose I asked for that.
Let me ask a few more questions....
Who exactly decided that 300m was sufficient? I'm assuming that the people writing the White Paper weren't throwing darts at some random numbers pinned to a wall.
What type of aircraft could operate from the runway if it were lengthened by 300m? Or is it more a question of payload and range limitations?
What circumstances would have to prevail to warrant an extension beyond the additional 300m?
Ta!
This is the distance mentioned by the government white paper for airports.
Let me ask a few more questions....
Who exactly decided that 300m was sufficient? I'm assuming that the people writing the White Paper weren't throwing darts at some random numbers pinned to a wall.
What type of aircraft could operate from the runway if it were lengthened by 300m? Or is it more a question of payload and range limitations?
What circumstances would have to prevail to warrant an extension beyond the additional 300m?
Ta!
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The 'rumours' about FlyBe are, in truth, not really rumours as they made all sorts of overtures in the press about France, North East Scotland etc etc. Most were talked about in the context of 2006.
Jet2 Paris is a continuing mystery. The longer is remains not on sale for S05, particularly in light of Baby and Thomsonfly starting CDG services, the more doubtful it is that they will. I still remain convinced this is a problem of their own making in that they have allocated the next a/c to join Jet2 to the MAN base and not Leeds as originally intended. They therefore cannot fly the CDG sectors over high summer with the slots as they stand, which means they either (a) drop it, (b) change the slots (not easy) or (c) get another a/c. The investigation of these options probably explains the delay, indeed I believe option (b) has been tried and has thus far failed.
Dec-11th, is the second anniversary of when tickets went on sale; would they really mark this as a notable 'birthday' with new routes etc.
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Jet2 Paris is a continuing mystery. The longer is remains not on sale for S05, particularly in light of Baby and Thomsonfly starting CDG services, the more doubtful it is that they will. I still remain convinced this is a problem of their own making in that they have allocated the next a/c to join Jet2 to the MAN base and not Leeds as originally intended. They therefore cannot fly the CDG sectors over high summer with the slots as they stand, which means they either (a) drop it, (b) change the slots (not easy) or (c) get another a/c. The investigation of these options probably explains the delay, indeed I believe option (b) has been tried and has thus far failed.
Dec-11th, is the second anniversary of when tickets went on sale; would they really mark this as a notable 'birthday' with new routes etc.
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If LBA is miffed at LS's new base at MAN, then perhaps they can act like councilors when the same sort of thing happens at LPL with EZY 
Why should LBA be miffed...LS are as still VERY much so committed to the LBA, MAN has not taken any routes away from LBA, will only serve to strenghten company overall.
For Jet2 to stay with the pace it HAD to open other UK bases eventually, and MAN was not a bad choice in my humble view.
Jet2 have great opportunities at it's real home, LBA, Gatwick service being probably the most obvious, and i am sure this and other new routes will come, and operate sucessfully from Leeds.
Roll on the day Jet2 have a 100+ fleet.....
Why should LBA be miffed...LS are as still VERY much so committed to the LBA, MAN has not taken any routes away from LBA, will only serve to strenghten company overall.
For Jet2 to stay with the pace it HAD to open other UK bases eventually, and MAN was not a bad choice in my humble view.
Jet2 have great opportunities at it's real home, LBA, Gatwick service being probably the most obvious, and i am sure this and other new routes will come, and operate sucessfully from Leeds.
Roll on the day Jet2 have a 100+ fleet.....
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Jet2 will continue to grow at LBA, next summer theres an Ibiza route which may prove popular however whats happened with the Tenerife rumour.
If 737-300s cant handle the route why not get some 757s from MYT.
If 737-300s cant handle the route why not get some 757s from MYT.