THY Will be Dumb
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Received this letter below from a very distinguished and well known Turkish Gent (who shall necessarily remain nameless). Thought it worth posting here so as to elicit a few reactions (preferably knowledgeable ones).
We're all aware that the political complexion in Turkey is now coming with a religious colouring but it may well be the case that the Inshalla'ah factor is now affecting the safety of operations.
If any body's got anything worthwhile to say, it will be passed on to where it may do the most good.
As an ordinary passenger and Turkish citizen, I have always been proud of flying by our national airline company. Turkish Airlines used to be just one of the finest airline companies in the world until things started happening in recent weeks.
With the victory of a somewhat ''religiously inclined'' political party in the elections, this government in Turkey has started to remove all SECULAR (laic) thinking airline officials from their upper and middle managerial duties. For the first time in the history of Turkish Airlines (THY) somebody who is not coming from the aviation world has been appointed as the GENERAL MANAGER of Turkish Airlines.
The person who has been appointed as the general manager of THY was only the general manager of Public Bus transportation in the Municipality of Istanbul City. Can you imagine!!!? Anyway, as soon as the newly appointed, inexperienced administration started its job things started eroding... In fact although the company was in profit they’ve now drawn the company into plummeting loss. Of course this is a financial issue but in general the overall morale has been lowered among the personnel (as far as we can read from the uncensored press). They make the crews work more than the international safety rules allow now because they have withdrawn a number of RJs due to corrosion in the fuel tanks and we public have just been informed this week that now they going to bring back these small jets into mainline service without any further justification.
We (as the Turkish public) do NOT know, what was done so that these jets could be brought back into service. Now just this week in order to get a full membership negotiation date from the European Union, the Turkish government has agreed to buy at least 30 more Airbus planes but we all know that Turkish Airlines do not have enough trained personnel to run 30 or more new planes at the moment. As far as we know (for example) LUFTHANSA has 240 personnel per aircraft but THY has about only 110, and not all of those fully trained (many are undergoing OJT). At least this is what we have read from local Turkish Newspapers.
The reason why I am writing you about this is simply because of the fact that as a frequent traveler I am deeply worried now about the way our airline THY is being run by these ignorant people. Unfortunately it seems that in order not to lose their jobs, the pilots prefer to remain silent.
My advice to you would be, to conduct extremely strict audits on the management of Turkish airlines and share it with the Turkish Public.
I am suspicious that the internationally observed rules about resting times of flight and cabin personnel ...etc. are being violated frequently - and they are may be even falsifying the records to cover this up.
As an ordinary Turkish citizen who is not afraid of flying but who has to travel a lot in the course of my business, I deem it my duty to denounce the current state of affairs. At the end of the day human lives are always at stake... but now they are also at peril.
I would like to thank you very much for your kind attention in advance....
We're all aware that the political complexion in Turkey is now coming with a religious colouring but it may well be the case that the Inshalla'ah factor is now affecting the safety of operations.
If any body's got anything worthwhile to say, it will be passed on to where it may do the most good.
As an ordinary passenger and Turkish citizen, I have always been proud of flying by our national airline company. Turkish Airlines used to be just one of the finest airline companies in the world until things started happening in recent weeks.
With the victory of a somewhat ''religiously inclined'' political party in the elections, this government in Turkey has started to remove all SECULAR (laic) thinking airline officials from their upper and middle managerial duties. For the first time in the history of Turkish Airlines (THY) somebody who is not coming from the aviation world has been appointed as the GENERAL MANAGER of Turkish Airlines.
The person who has been appointed as the general manager of THY was only the general manager of Public Bus transportation in the Municipality of Istanbul City. Can you imagine!!!? Anyway, as soon as the newly appointed, inexperienced administration started its job things started eroding... In fact although the company was in profit they’ve now drawn the company into plummeting loss. Of course this is a financial issue but in general the overall morale has been lowered among the personnel (as far as we can read from the uncensored press). They make the crews work more than the international safety rules allow now because they have withdrawn a number of RJs due to corrosion in the fuel tanks and we public have just been informed this week that now they going to bring back these small jets into mainline service without any further justification.
We (as the Turkish public) do NOT know, what was done so that these jets could be brought back into service. Now just this week in order to get a full membership negotiation date from the European Union, the Turkish government has agreed to buy at least 30 more Airbus planes but we all know that Turkish Airlines do not have enough trained personnel to run 30 or more new planes at the moment. As far as we know (for example) LUFTHANSA has 240 personnel per aircraft but THY has about only 110, and not all of those fully trained (many are undergoing OJT). At least this is what we have read from local Turkish Newspapers.
The reason why I am writing you about this is simply because of the fact that as a frequent traveler I am deeply worried now about the way our airline THY is being run by these ignorant people. Unfortunately it seems that in order not to lose their jobs, the pilots prefer to remain silent.
My advice to you would be, to conduct extremely strict audits on the management of Turkish airlines and share it with the Turkish Public.
I am suspicious that the internationally observed rules about resting times of flight and cabin personnel ...etc. are being violated frequently - and they are may be even falsifying the records to cover this up.
As an ordinary Turkish citizen who is not afraid of flying but who has to travel a lot in the course of my business, I deem it my duty to denounce the current state of affairs. At the end of the day human lives are always at stake... but now they are also at peril.
I would like to thank you very much for your kind attention in advance....
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Hello Belgique,
I took a flight with Turkish Airlines once from Osaka to Istambul.
To be honest I will never try the second time.
No other comment
God help them !!!!!!!!!!!
I took a flight with Turkish Airlines once from Osaka to Istambul.
To be honest I will never try the second time.
No other comment
God help them !!!!!!!!!!!
I am suspicious that the internationally observed rules about resting times of flight and cabin personnel ...etc. are being violated frequently - and they are may be even falsifying the records to cover this up.
As an ordinary Turkish citizen who is not afraid of flying but who has to travel a lot in the course of my business, I deem it my duty to denounce the current state of affairs. At the end of the day human lives are always at stake... but now they are also at peril.
I would like to thank you very much for your kind attention in advance....
As an ordinary Turkish citizen who is not afraid of flying but who has to travel a lot in the course of my business, I deem it my duty to denounce the current state of affairs. At the end of the day human lives are always at stake... but now they are also at peril.
I would like to thank you very much for your kind attention in advance....
Suggest you lobby your government .
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An ordinary Turkish Citizen
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This gent may consider himself to be an ordinary Turkish citizen but I asure you that he's not. Even I had heard of him. His problem, as with many of the old school of Turkish intellectuals and intelligentsia, is that he's now on the outer and there have been quiet pogroms and purges of his ilk from public office and high government posts.
When the whackos take over, that's what tends to happen. All the people who can make (and have been making) a difference are suddenly on the outer and without a voice.
It must be terrible to have to then sit back and watch how the rewards of a usurped democratic process ravage a hitherto progressive country. It is a creeping tide. We shall all wake up to a different world someday and wonder just how we let it happen. By that time it will be too late. It's the post 911 syndrome of never ever being able to come to grips with how something like that can happen. You're adequately distracted by the terrorists and falling over one another to make sure nobody can accuse you of racial or religious bigotry or prejudice and under that camo cover they are stealing a night march.
This gent may consider himself to be an ordinary Turkish citizen but I asure you that he's not. Even I had heard of him. His problem, as with many of the old school of Turkish intellectuals and intelligentsia, is that he's now on the outer and there have been quiet pogroms and purges of his ilk from public office and high government posts.
When the whackos take over, that's what tends to happen. All the people who can make (and have been making) a difference are suddenly on the outer and without a voice.
It must be terrible to have to then sit back and watch how the rewards of a usurped democratic process ravage a hitherto progressive country. It is a creeping tide. We shall all wake up to a different world someday and wonder just how we let it happen. By that time it will be too late. It's the post 911 syndrome of never ever being able to come to grips with how something like that can happen. You're adequately distracted by the terrorists and falling over one another to make sure nobody can accuse you of racial or religious bigotry or prejudice and under that camo cover they are stealing a night march.
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Hello lomapaseo. The opener of this thread says he is an ordinary Turkish citizen which is fair enough, but his profile identifies him as a pilot, which is not incompatible with ordinary citizen but may add a dimension. Personally I don't know one way or the other and can prove/disprove neither, but I can readily accept the possibility that he is both and knows what he is talking about. You seem to me to discount his report but I see no basis for your skepticism in your rebuttal except that you think ordinary Turkish citizens would not qualify to say what he says.
Regrettably the format of this board does not allow me in any way I know to return to the original post to refresh myself in mid-post and elaborate my remarks, so I will just dive in and reread. Regards, I do watch for and respect your remarks.
OK, having posted I can go back and quote you and argue better. You said
"An ordinary citizen would not have an ounce of knowlege about flying duty time nor give a care.
Suggest you lobby your government ."
I say, any pilot (professional or not, I know not what the thread opener is) or even a non-pilot with an ounce of interest in aviation matters, or any ordinary citizen who cares, could easily discover regulations about flying duty time etc, and is perfectly entitled IMHO to enquire, learn, and care about such matters.
I have not checked your profile to see what you claim, but having seen many competent posts with your name attached I assume you are in the industry so I find your post doubly puzzling & would be pleased for you to justify.
Regrettably the format of this board does not allow me in any way I know to return to the original post to refresh myself in mid-post and elaborate my remarks, so I will just dive in and reread. Regards, I do watch for and respect your remarks.
OK, having posted I can go back and quote you and argue better. You said
"An ordinary citizen would not have an ounce of knowlege about flying duty time nor give a care.
Suggest you lobby your government ."
I say, any pilot (professional or not, I know not what the thread opener is) or even a non-pilot with an ounce of interest in aviation matters, or any ordinary citizen who cares, could easily discover regulations about flying duty time etc, and is perfectly entitled IMHO to enquire, learn, and care about such matters.
I have not checked your profile to see what you claim, but having seen many competent posts with your name attached I assume you are in the industry so I find your post doubly puzzling & would be pleased for you to justify.
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I thought the opener of this thread was quoting from a letter he had received from someone who described himself as "an ordinary Turkish citizen".
I wasn't aware of the political manipulation to which UNCTUOUS refers and it's a worry to contemplate the degeneration of the Turkish establishment from secular government to medieval ignorance and repression.
For some years I have thought that we are heading for a hot confrontation between the liberal and largely free speaking west and the religious zealots of the world who, like all their ilk no matter what their religion, feel that god demands that they fight against the unbeliever.
Are we prepared for such a war? Can a secular, agnostic or atheist society triumph over a society driven by religious faith?
Abraham/Buddha/Christ/Mohammed knows! but we'd better start getting mentally prepared and planning for it.
The vast majority are not focussed on fundamentalism; I remember a Muslim girl on our crew who bought a tiger-eye cross to take back to a Middle-Eastern Christian friend. She operated in and out of Saudi Arabia a few times with it in her baggage; don't think she realised what the Wahabi reaction would have been if it had been discovered
Those who just want to come quietly home from temple/church/mosque and get on with their lives will suffer with the extremists and so will also become polarised.
God I'm depressed
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(about being depressed, that is)
For some years I have thought that we are heading for a hot confrontation between the liberal and largely free speaking west and the religious zealots of the world who, like all their ilk no matter what their religion, feel that god demands that they fight against the unbeliever.
Are we prepared for such a war? Can a secular, agnostic or atheist society triumph over a society driven by religious faith?
Abraham/Buddha/Christ/Mohammed knows! but we'd better start getting mentally prepared and planning for it.
The vast majority are not focussed on fundamentalism; I remember a Muslim girl on our crew who bought a tiger-eye cross to take back to a Middle-Eastern Christian friend. She operated in and out of Saudi Arabia a few times with it in her baggage; don't think she realised what the Wahabi reaction would have been if it had been discovered
Those who just want to come quietly home from temple/church/mosque and get on with their lives will suffer with the extremists and so will also become polarised.
God I'm depressed
Just joking
(about being depressed, that is)
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Hi Belgique,
As all of us would be undoubtedly curious to know, does this man who refers to himself as an "ordinary Turkish citizen" have reliables newspaper articles (or other sources which he is able to quote without getting into trouble) to back his claims?
I presume that he is talking about the appointment of Abdurrahman Gündoğdu in the winter of 2003?...
As all of us would be undoubtedly curious to know, does this man who refers to himself as an "ordinary Turkish citizen" have reliables newspaper articles (or other sources which he is able to quote without getting into trouble) to back his claims?
I presume that he is talking about the appointment of Abdurrahman Gündoğdu in the winter of 2003?...
