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duo occasionaly had promotions running in the Sunday Herald in Scotalnd and apart from that there was one(!) taxi driving around Edinburgh that had duo titles so small that you would be lucky to notice them if you were standing right next to them!
On the other hand FlyGlobespan are going from strength to strength up here and have adverts plastered on the sides of buses, bus stops and t.v ads.
On the other hand FlyGlobespan are going from strength to strength up here and have adverts plastered on the sides of buses, bus stops and t.v ads.
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This is not a spotter remark, but I didn't think their livery did much in terms of advertising. Didn't quite make you turn your head and think, "hey, who are they? Must surf the net and check them out". To the untrained eye their aircraft looked more like corporate jets. I think this WAS their intention but it wasn't a good self-advertising strategy. Very sorry to see them go though. Best wishes to all DUO staff.
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Hotel Tango, I remember surfing their website last week when looking for a return trip to Koeln (up against EZY who won out!) and there was a quote on the website saying something like "we don't want to paint our aircraft in brash primary colours - thats just not us" or something along those lines.
The duo brand was trying to be a smart, full-service & executive type airline - although sadly like Air1 & Legend Airlines before them, this type of operation on its own doesnt win out!
The duo brand was trying to be a smart, full-service & executive type airline - although sadly like Air1 & Legend Airlines before them, this type of operation on its own doesnt win out!
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There you go again, confusing low cost with no frills. Take off those orange-tinted spectacles and I will spell this out for you one last time.
You work for a no-frills carrier, who happens to be low-cost ("lo-co") also. Duo was "lo-co" but with frills. The common element therefore is in the "low-cost" - meaning, low cost base, NOT that all seats are for sale for 1p.
You'll never get into BA with such a poor understanding of airline economics, no matter how hard you try!
There you go again, confusing low cost with no frills. Take off those orange-tinted spectacles and I will spell this out for you one last time.
You work for a no-frills carrier, who happens to be low-cost ("lo-co") also. Duo was "lo-co" but with frills. The common element therefore is in the "low-cost" - meaning, low cost base, NOT that all seats are for sale for 1p.
You'll never get into BA with such a poor understanding of airline economics, no matter how hard you try!
I said that I hardly thought Duo qualified as a low cost airline.
Explain to me then how Duo had a low cost base because I didn't think the headcount/aircraft ratio, the aircraft type, the home base nor many of the routes were ones associated with low cost airlines.
I didn't think they even wanted to be thought of as a low cost airline? Did they?
There's no need to be brash old chum. Having just searched your username for posts I note that around 50% of them appear to be describable as easyJet bashing. They suggest you are maybe a Flybe pilot with a hatred of easyJet.
This time last year you wrote about easy I'd give it 6 months. Tops. This really is turning into Air Europe Mark II. (Yes, and I was there before anyone starts AGAIN!)
Well - sorry old chap, flying more pax than BA these days and making money in the process.
Cheer up,
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Explain to me then how Duo had a low cost base because I didn't think the headcount/aircraft ratio, the aircraft type, the home base nor many of the routes were ones associated with low cost airlines.
I didn't think they even wanted to be thought of as a low cost airline? Did they?
There's no need to be brash old chum. Having just searched your username for posts I note that around 50% of them appear to be describable as easyJet bashing. They suggest you are maybe a Flybe pilot with a hatred of easyJet.
This time last year you wrote about easy I'd give it 6 months. Tops. This really is turning into Air Europe Mark II. (Yes, and I was there before anyone starts AGAIN!)
Well - sorry old chap, flying more pax than BA these days and making money in the process.
Cheer up,
WWW
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<<There's no need to be brash old chum. Having just searched your username for posts I note that around 50% of them appear to be describable as easyJet bashing. They suggest you are maybe a Flybe pilot with a hatred of easyJet.>>
Wrong again - never applied to (or worked for) either of those outfits, better luck next time.
<<Well - sorry old chap, flying more pax than BA these days and making money in the process>>
Not according to the figures I've seen, easyjet 21.8 m guests last year compared to BA's 38 m. BA very much in profit, eJ heading for another record loss http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/040430/214/eshkf.html
Wrong again - never applied to (or worked for) either of those outfits, better luck next time.
<<Well - sorry old chap, flying more pax than BA these days and making money in the process>>
Not according to the figures I've seen, easyjet 21.8 m guests last year compared to BA's 38 m. BA very much in profit, eJ heading for another record loss http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/040430/214/eshkf.html
Well whoever you work for you are a black belt in easyJet bashing. And whilst not wanting to wander too far from the thread topic of Duo I think you'll find EZY carried 1,996,790 passengers in March 2004 and that's more than BA. Which is quite something for what was laughed at as a joke in 1996.
As for profitability. Come off it. You and I and the whole industry knows that easyJet publishes a Winter and a Summer set of results. The Winter shows a small loss, the Summer a much bigger profit. Hence a year on year increasing Net profit.
So Spring time hysterics about 'easyJet losing money' are somewhat pointless.
Your view last year that the company was "Air Europe II and only had six months left to go" has proved to be somewhat wide of the mark. But don't let that put you off.
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As for profitability. Come off it. You and I and the whole industry knows that easyJet publishes a Winter and a Summer set of results. The Winter shows a small loss, the Summer a much bigger profit. Hence a year on year increasing Net profit.
So Spring time hysterics about 'easyJet losing money' are somewhat pointless.
Your view last year that the company was "Air Europe II and only had six months left to go" has proved to be somewhat wide of the mark. But don't let that put you off.
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Does anyone know:
If refunds are available for payments by credit card, I assume debit card payments get nothing. Makes you think twice before "saving" £4 on the booking fee, but I'd say the chances of airline failure don't justify paying the extra (except for one or two airlines I'd probably be in trouble for mentioning).
What if you pay by American Express? Does that count as a credit card? What about small businesses paying using company charge cards? Presumably, they aren't covered by the consumer credit act?
How many travel insurance policies cover the value of the ticket, let alone the consequential losses, which could be quite considerable?
Also, I'm not sure how much the established scheduled players (LH etc) would want to open up new routes to the UK. Yes, EZ for EMA > SXF must be a high probability, but do SAS have the resources to open up new routes to Scandinavia? I can see Flybe being an obvious replacement on some routes, but I imagine they'd be much more interested in LYS & GVA , which must have good year round markets? I don't see 'Lite wanting to add any of these routes - except NCE, but that's already well covered from CVT & NEMA.
If refunds are available for payments by credit card, I assume debit card payments get nothing. Makes you think twice before "saving" £4 on the booking fee, but I'd say the chances of airline failure don't justify paying the extra (except for one or two airlines I'd probably be in trouble for mentioning).
What if you pay by American Express? Does that count as a credit card? What about small businesses paying using company charge cards? Presumably, they aren't covered by the consumer credit act?
How many travel insurance policies cover the value of the ticket, let alone the consequential losses, which could be quite considerable?
Also, I'm not sure how much the established scheduled players (LH etc) would want to open up new routes to the UK. Yes, EZ for EMA > SXF must be a high probability, but do SAS have the resources to open up new routes to Scandinavia? I can see Flybe being an obvious replacement on some routes, but I imagine they'd be much more interested in LYS & GVA , which must have good year round markets? I don't see 'Lite wanting to add any of these routes - except NCE, but that's already well covered from CVT & NEMA.
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WWW - good to see that you won't let the facts get in the way of a good Orange story, as always!
I haven't made these figures up - on scheduled services alone in March 2004, BA carried 2,948,000 passengers. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to work out that that's quite a few more than your 1,996,790 "earned seats". Just over 47% more in fact. And they did some charter work on top of that, but no need to count them...the numbers speak for themselves.
Toodle pip!
I haven't made these figures up - on scheduled services alone in March 2004, BA carried 2,948,000 passengers. It doesn't take a mathematical genius to work out that that's quite a few more than your 1,996,790 "earned seats". Just over 47% more in fact. And they did some charter work on top of that, but no need to count them...the numbers speak for themselves.
Toodle pip!
That Mainline or including the Franchises? Genuine question as the media have been carrying reports that both Ryan and Easy have had higher monthly passenger figured than BA in recent months.
Or is it with the qualification 'European passengers' - ie BA shorthaul only.
Perhaps we should start another thread here as this is supposed to be about Duo.
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Or is it with the qualification 'European passengers' - ie BA shorthaul only.
Perhaps we should start another thread here as this is supposed to be about Duo.
Cheers
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Flightmapping - I think it's down to the individual to contact their Credit card companies, I know someone who has done that and is expecting a partial refund that way.
Don'doit - I think you are the one who is confused about low costs, although the term is somewhat misused. The term low cost was coined in the US when Southwest was able to demonstrate considerably lower Operating Costs per ASM than its mainline competitors. On the basis of its low costs it was able to make profits with substantially lower fares. Although the average traveller thinks low cost means low ticket cost that's something different. As for Duo - I do not think that operating 50-70 regional jets will get you to the level of operating costs per ASM or ASK as easyJet - although Flybe claim they get there with the Q400. Not only would Duo's costs have been higher but they had an unusual fare structure which offered low fares with no extras plus high fares with some non-flight based extras (taxi service within a certain radius of BHX, lounges etc) at the same time. Coupled with poor or confusing advertising they were struggling to get their loads up. Perhaps if they'd been given the summer they may have made it, but it required more investment which it seems was not forthcoming.
Don'doit - I think you are the one who is confused about low costs, although the term is somewhat misused. The term low cost was coined in the US when Southwest was able to demonstrate considerably lower Operating Costs per ASM than its mainline competitors. On the basis of its low costs it was able to make profits with substantially lower fares. Although the average traveller thinks low cost means low ticket cost that's something different. As for Duo - I do not think that operating 50-70 regional jets will get you to the level of operating costs per ASM or ASK as easyJet - although Flybe claim they get there with the Q400. Not only would Duo's costs have been higher but they had an unusual fare structure which offered low fares with no extras plus high fares with some non-flight based extras (taxi service within a certain radius of BHX, lounges etc) at the same time. Coupled with poor or confusing advertising they were struggling to get their loads up. Perhaps if they'd been given the summer they may have made it, but it required more investment which it seems was not forthcoming.
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Flightmapping - if the total value of the transaction was £100 or more, the consumer credit act will apply and a refund can be had from the card issuer. With debit cards, you'll be relying on anything you can get from Duo.
Amex issue both charge cards (no chance of refund) and credit cards (see above). You need to check which one you have.
You'll need to check the T&Cs of any travel insurance, as cover will vary by policy.
Amex issue both charge cards (no chance of refund) and credit cards (see above). You need to check which one you have.
You'll need to check the T&Cs of any travel insurance, as cover will vary by policy.
Flightmapping. Charge cards are covered by the Consumer Credit Act. As far as the Act is concerned, a Charge Card is a Credit Card, just with different terms of repayment. Hope this helps. DH
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From http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/calitem.cgi?file=ADV0011-1011.txt
Under the provisions of Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. If you buy goods or services costing in excess of £100 using a credit card, should the goods or service prove to be defective, you will have an equal claim for compensation against both the seller of the goods or service and the finance company.
Section 75(equal liability)only applies to credit transactions, therefore, the finance company does not have any liability for purchases that have been paid for by chargecards as these are debit cards not credit cards.American Express and Diners Card are examples of debit cards.
Section 75(equal liability)only applies to credit transactions, therefore, the finance company does not have any liability for purchases that have been paid for by chargecards as these are debit cards not credit cards.American Express and Diners Card are examples of debit cards.
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BACX to commence old duo routes:
BA Citiexpress will commence daily flights to Lyon and Vienna this Wednesday from Birmingham. Lyon to become twice daly ASAP.
An extra 146 will be based at Birmingham.
Nice will commence this Saturday, 1 weekly initially.
Other airlines are already interested in other duo routes...
Jon
BA Citiexpress will commence daily flights to Lyon and Vienna this Wednesday from Birmingham. Lyon to become twice daly ASAP.
An extra 146 will be based at Birmingham.
Nice will commence this Saturday, 1 weekly initially.
Other airlines are already interested in other duo routes...
Jon
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What about EDI? NO BA CItiexpress at EDI! Remember that the EDI routes were more succesful thatn the BHX routes, from duo.
SAS should take up OSL, as has already been rumoured.
SAS should take up OSL, as has already been rumoured.
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Duo staff not entirely dead
According to the BBC ceefax, Duo's administrators only made 260 out of it's 300 staff redundant (not that that is not enough).
Are they retaining some flight crew or is this engineering staff ?
What about the Duo mis-management?
Are they retaining some flight crew or is this engineering staff ?
What about the Duo mis-management?
