FEBA

You might be right BW, but something's happening out there, it's going to be interesting to see what it is

jmc-man

Teachin,

you could not be more wrong ...

GO announced in December 1997, started selling on schedule in February 1998, started flying on schedule in April 1998.

Now announced in March, and re-announced in August and Re-announced in September and ....and ....and

Interesting marketplace at the moment with both Easy and Ryanair showing a drop in load factor and average yield.

I can't imagine what sort of investor NOW might have found, based on their track record so far.

And , Teachin, you might want to look at some of the previous NOW threads before deciding you want to work there, particularly the details of people like yourself who joined with great enthusiasm, only to find themselves laid off in the lead up to Christmas.

LGS6753

Interestingly, in RYR's third quarter results statement, they blame loss-making start-ups for some of the price competition they face.

Whilst I can't think of many direct competitors on RYR routes that fall into that category (MYL is the exception), they have obviously suffered a drop in yields, and expect them to go down further.

Looking at where locos are successful, it's to bucket and spade destinations, where they are taking over from the charter boys. The 'business' destinations are less successful (looking at Jet Magic, HLX, bmibaby, possibly Jet2).

My original optimism over Now's chances of survival has diminished because of market trends, its pricing model and its lack of financing. To succeed with Now, any backer would need deep pockets and lots of patience.

Best of luck if they start up. I'll be flying with Now from Luton (as SLF) given the opportunity.

Powerjet1

From this morning, website seems to be off-line. Temporary or what ?

VIKING9

Temporary, it works NOW !

Fatter Cat

Maybe the BIG announcement will be how many of the briefly employed staff have got new jobs, and where they have gone!

I understand that there can't be many bods left, as one if not more, off to Brittania, and the TrM alledgedly off to Africa!

bacardi walla

I heard a great one recently, NOW want to lease planes to other airlines !!!!!!!! Laugh? I nearly cried !!

carlos vandango

Heard very recently that there is now a plan to do low cost longhaul. That sounds a bit like a contradiction in terms to me. Found this website also by accident:
www.nowairlines.com/
The plot thickens. Anyone know if they are related??

Frankfurt_Cowboy

That'll be wind...........

jmc-man

You are a strange lot, you really are.

You hear second hand rumours about an operation that has singularly failed to live up to any of it's promises or commitments that it has made over the past 11 months, and all you can think of is making me " eat my hat".

Are you really going to believe anything you hear from these people , based on their track record so far? What on earth could they possibly say to convince the aviation community that they are serious at this stage?

So, for all those who missed it first time around.......their business plan is flawed, they lack serious aviation/business experience, and overall they lack credibility ..........IN MY OPINION !!

Let's see something tangible.....like a website offering bookings.....or an aircraft painted in the NOW livery.....before we start discussing my lunch menu.

Really....

FEBA

Not flawed enough to stop you from habituating this thread

I doubt very much that you have seen their business plan, so we can value your judgements as highly as Now's.

Honestly.............

Flightmapping

"I doubt very much that you have seen their business plan, so we can value your judgements as highly as Now's."

I don't need to read a business plan to KNOW that fixed pricing on all sectors is never going to work. The original no-frills airlines went against the trend because there were good reasons to - e.g. out of the way airports were cheap & less congested.

Now's pricing structure ignores the basic rules of supply and demand - with or without competitors on their routes. The moment they start changing their prices to fill all those empty winter flights and reduce summer overcrowding, they have lost their key differentiator, and leave themselves wide open to be squashed by their bigger rivals.

Waggon rut

Some of you must see that not all people will want to travel with easy/ryan for some good reasons. Go, has gone and they did have a market share, the level a little up from the two others some people will pay more for that, how many people remains to be seen. I think they have a good chance.

bacardi walla

Has anyone ever considered that maybe the fixed price theory is now NOT the plan for NOW and that maybe they have changed their tactics. I hear tomorrow is the day for news to be released, not announced, but released. The 737-300's flown by Buzz for RYR will very soon be on the market, so are others. It could be that NOW have secured their aircraft, finance and strategy. Let's wait and see.

jmc-man none of this will affect you, so why get heated about it ?

FEBA

Teachin
I note from your location that you must be staying up very late .
When you speak to Now (44 845 4589 737) would you kindly ask them for a definitive start date. We're all dying to know.
Many thanks
FEBA

PPRuNe Towers

BW, I wouldn't want to put words into any poster's mouth but I do see a consistent theme.

Whether people like it or not JMC man has consistently aimed his [?] thoughts at the average line guy or cabin crew considering employment.

Any of you can use the search engine at night to check for yourself. It is an unfortunate facet of this forum that it is dominated by those who think the airline world is a sexy business. It appears to have a significant preponderance of those who just love airlines and air transport.

JMC Man seems consistently to address those actually feeding and clothing their families in front line jobs. To establish a little emotional distance from this thread may I suggest you study the thread on Jetmagic - do you see any significant input from those in airside jobs or simply the disappointment of airline business fans?

Your mileage may vary,

Regards
Rob

bacardi walla

I don't have to study any thread. I, like others on here, am just fed up of constant battering that some give. Yes, it's an open forum for items to be debated, but unless people have fact surely it would be better to say nothing until such time they can substantiate what they are saying. I for one have freinds very close to NOW and what I post on here is justified IMHO.

Thank you.

jmc-man

Bacardi Walla,

an interesting perspective.

Can I just re-cap a few things.

I posted
Note the last three words....I put them in capitals deliberately.

Now, when it comes to posting " facts", lets have a look at :-



Bacardi Walla 17th January


Bacardi Walla 23rd January


Bacardi Walla 23rd January


Bacardi Walla 30th January


Bacardi Walla 30th January


Bacardi Walla 31st January




You need to be consistent. I made it very clear what my Opinion is. How much of what you posted above was Fact?

You seem, based on the above, to be agreeing with me in many instances.

I also had friends in NOW, and I had to talk to them just before Christmas when they were laid off. Not a pleasant experience and not one I would wish on anyone.

I repeat, the only way people should accept NOW as being real should be hard evidence, namely, as I previously mentioned , A Booking website accepting bookings, or an Aircraft painted up ( which would mean a lease has been signed. Any other " announcements should , in my opinion , be treated with a healthy dose of scepticism

FEBA

JMC Man
You still haven't answered the question, again. Have you seen the Now business plan?

jmc-man

Their "plan" is publicly available on their website.

The " flaw" is their pricing structure.

.....in my opinion.