NOW AIRLINES-A Great Beginning

[Wing Commander Fowler]

Quite simply......... because he can!

[Dirty Harry]

Been working overseas for the summer and have just logged back into my regular pprune session to read the absolute rubbish posted by JMC MAN.

JMC - MAN who or what has upset you about NOW. You need to provide us your reasons behind your continued assault on NOW and the management or I suggest you play somewhere else if you wish to play childish games. You are a pain in the neck.

[jmc-man]

Wing Commander Fowler.....thank you....you put it so succintly.

Bacardi...pardon me for pointing this out ( I know the scroll back facility doesn't get used much) but this thread was started by FLYMATE, crowing about a "soon to be issued AOC" and entitled "NOW AIRLINES - A GREAT BEGINNING", pardon me if I see the slightly funny side of that, in the light of subsequent developments.

I havn't said a single thing on this thread or any other thread which has been untrue.

Dirty Harry, can I suggest if you don't like what you read here, you avoid the place. Remember I didn't start this thread.

[Ttree Ttrimmer]

JMC-Man You do report gossip that is untrue and has been regularly corrected by regular postings. Unfortunately you display the characteristics that this industry is trying to rid itself of. May I suggest it is time for another CRM course for you! Possibly there is a deeper root to your inability to listen to the information provided by those in the know or are you really the only person in the aviation world who knows how it all works?

I beleive your vendetta to be aimed at one or two individuals within the management team of NOW . May be the COO in his previous position as TRE gave you a hard time in the sim?

The so called "unbridled optimism" is an indication that going to work for this company is going to be a positive experience rather than listening to whining from something other than the CFM's!

The breifing given at the beginning of last week to inform us of the future of the company was not only timely but professionally handled. It indicates a desire to put the crews higher up the food chain and look after them as the resource that they are. A refreshing change to past policy within airlines. Lets hope it lasts.

[jmc-man]

Ttree Ttrimmer

Believe whatever works for you.

But let me quote a few other people.....




CPT4C

with the limited finance they have available they will not be able to compete with easyJet or Monarch out of Luton.

Bacardi Walla

Maybe the fixed pricing NOW AIRLINES have adopted will work depending on how low the fixed prices are? Maybe they have changed their mind though on fixed prices

just a question then....is the first flight 11th December or not ?

getoverit

I would like to think that NOW will be success - BUT like so many others I do wonder whether their pricing system will bring in enough of a profit. And all this talk of free IFE, two class cabins etc is too far removed from the whole idea of 'low cost'. As we all know, the likes of Go, easyJet and Ryanair are all based on the low-cost model Southwest. Their success is down to keen pricing and high frequency.

FLYMATE

Let's just say that everyone should wait until Monday for any more news regarding launches. I have a few favourites I would like to see as destinations, but I haven't a clue as to which have been selected to launch with.

Thunor

I genuinely wish NOW all the very best but sadly I feel very sorry for those who have given up existing jobs and incurred other expenses in order to join this outfit who already (RUMOUR has it!) at this initial stage cannot honour their initial promises to these loyal and faithful supporters........!

I could go on....but you can see there's enough there to justify my observations.

With regard to your COO, I met him briefly when he was a First Officer with Virgin Express, a few years back.

So, as there will be no more news from NOW, I'll leave you guys to it, until theres another "announcement". Or until you take another personal pop at me...whichever comes first.

[bacardi walla]

jmc-man why quote my questions?

I had them answered but as most of the information is commercially sensitive, I chose not to blast it across the pages of a "rumour network". It's called being professional. You may one day have to crack open the champers, you may not, lets just wait and see because unless you have anything to gain from NOW, it would be best to leave them alone and do something more constructive. Would'nt you agree

[The Grim Reaper]

JMC-man.

I have no idea why you are so bitter and twisted. If someone has upset you then let us know who and how?

I am one of the NOW airlines pilots and am making this post whilst on a full salary, having started on my expected start date. I am not a management pilot, just an average joe bloggs line pilot. What's your problem?

I would like to extend an invitation to you ; come over here and I will show you around and give you a bit of genuine information on which to base your opinions. Then perhaps we could all have a rest from your constant, misinformed bleatings on the subject. Drop me an e-mail and I will sort it out.

Alternatively, if you are not man enough to identify yourself then me and my mates could arrange

LEAVE it out Lads. No Need. Hogg

[Frankfurt_Cowboy]

The Grim Reaper, another member of NOW staff and another post completely devoid of any information. Mind you if I were on a full salary for doing rock all I'd be happy enough, you just wonder how long it's going to go on for.

[saltrock surfer]

To quote jmc-man

I havn't said a single thing on this thread or any other thread which has been untrue

So for the 4th time of asking who has had there start date forcibly delayed to Feb????

[Ttree Ttrimmer]

No body has had their start date forcibly changed. That is the whole idea of the offer given. IMHO that is the way it should be and it was handled very well.

JMC-Man It was not a personal pop, just observations made (and one assumption about your past) from your previous postings, that you seem to hold in such high regard. The quotes you have used actually show a little contradiction in your post about unbridled enthusiam. As profesionals we are doubters, that's what helps to keep us safe but I think your attack on a company you have nothing to do with is a bit strong and should be tempered.

Grim Reaper If you need any extra muscle, I'm freeee!

[Fifty Above]

jmc-man I tend to echo your sentiments, and feel that NOW do indeed have a serious credibility problem at this point in time.

A colleague of mine considered joining NOW - he was asked whether he could find a way of reducing his (3 month's) notice period (by taking leave) so that he could join on 1st October - he politely declined their offer of employment citing the fact that he could not afford to be unemployed if things didn't go to plan.

Whilst I applaud NOW's decision to apparently offer all their employees immediate fully paid employment (if indeed this is the case) I question the rationale behind this decision - altruism has very little place in the modern business model and is tantamount to committing financial suicide.

As has been said already GO were marketing themselves and selling seats months before they started flying and therefore generating revenue - did NOW budget for paying a whole load of people to sit around twiddling their thumbs for ... one? ... two? ... three months, before commencing business?

I don't know which aircraft NOW will eventually commence their operation with, but I hope it's not the previously mentioned GO airframes. Their President of Flight Operations has been flying these aircraft for the last five years, and he should really know better.

I wish everyone at NOW the best of luck - they will need it.

[FLYMATE]

In response to jmc-man's question of why I started this thread. The previous thread had run it's course and was actually closed by a moderator-Hamrah-was his/her name. The previous thread had a negative title-Now or Never-

I started this present thread to reflect the imminent launch of the airline, with a more positive title. I also hoped that comments and opinions would be more positive. I would say we now get more constructive comments now with of course a few exceptions. More and more people here are posting words of encouragement, which is nice. I don't mind jmc-man commenting at all, I do wish though that he would post comments knowing the facts. The fact is he does not have the facts.

It is plainly clear to most that NOW will be in the air soon. If only jmc-man could see the amount of activity going on at the offices. He would then change his views. It truly is a buzz of activity. No one at NOW actually harps on about the delay as much as jmc-man and his cynical pals. Everyone at NOW do their day to day business adding and tweeking the operation in the full knowledge of how much is being done. To NOW employees there is no feeling of "a non-starter".

The deferred start to February is a sensible decision. With the launch of the web site, there will be the passengers booked that jmc-man so eagerly wishes to see. The time period from the web site launch to February will give the time for the aircraft to fly full, or as close to full as is expected.

I repeat, NOW management could have told everyone to "go away", but they did not. They value the people who have joined, so have offered very, very, good terms to all who wish to invest in NOW. This was going to be done anyway, and NOW employees will all have a generous stake in the company from day one. I applaud the managers who have faith in the people, and clearly see that the management team want to value and encourage employee ownership of NOW.

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

Go had its AOC awarded on Tuesday 19th May 1998 - three days before the inaugural flight with £000,000's of tickets already sold.

Cheers

WWW

[Hogg]

Lads Get the thread back on track or Ill close it.

Best of Luck to anyone whos got the b**ls to start a new venture in this business.

Hogg

[Nice Touch]

Grim,

I'm with you as well mate.

JMC you have been asked a question-answer please.

You talk of credibilty-reveal your source of information and anger and we will talk in an ADULT way- NOW that's fair...

[CPT4C]

Is it any wonder people think NOW will never happen? if they were serious about starting in October they would have been selling seats in July, the managers did not know until recently that the aircraft were going to be delayed therefore people will assume that they had no intention of ever starting in October. Again i wish them luck as i feel they are going to need it.

[Ikkle!]

Just a question...

If the AOC is "in the bag" and just awaiting aircraft delivery, hasn't the Commercial Protection Group at the CAA done a financial check long before now?? I'm kind of assuming they must be financially fit right????

[Whippersnapper]

That's the point - all the inspections and checks for the AOC have been passed, first time round (rare, I'm told), so as soon as the AC is delivered and checked, the AOC will be issued.

As a rank and file pilot in NOW I'm not in on the big plans, but am amazed at the un-educated speculation and, in some instances, unwarranted trashing going on in this forum. Though superficially of concern, the decision to delay sales, route announcements and so on until the AC have arrived and the AOC recieved is a cautious and mature one. More damage to confidence would be done if mass refunds had to be made on seats sold too early, or if we started flying empty AC around because we started the schedule without enough sales lead-time. The NOW managers have resisted the great temptation to press ahead too fast, and this shows how the company is not being built on sand like some of our ill-wishing bretheren.

The point is that all those who were promised jobs have them, and have been given the choice of leave or immediate start, and whether to be paid in salary or shares. No-one has been delayed against their will without renumeration and ongoing commitment from the company.

Now, JMC-man, before you post another anti-NOW retort, make sure it's accurate.

[FLYMATE]

Here here, Whippersnapper, I have been saying to jmc-man and the others for months to base their comments on FACTS, he says he has facts but they are only speculations. This is true because he is not an employee and so knows nothing. It's nice to read here the nice comments. Seems all involved are happy with the decision to defer to a later date. No one has twisted my arm to defer, and as you say, shares and other offers have been made to me and I have chosen one of the options and am happy with it.

When will these cynics be happy? Perhaps NOW can give all the cynics a free return flight on the first flight. Or better still, a one way...

[easy]

hear, not here!