NOW or never
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well then,when is it for NOW,They seem to look pretty banged up at the moment,
No aircraft
No Pilots
Hardly any staff(eg cabin crew)
Very bad management if you ask me.
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No aircraft
No Pilots
Hardly any staff(eg cabin crew)
Very bad management if you ask me.
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When I say that, I get my ear bent.
Interesting piece sent to me courtesy of ABTN
Sobering thought if you are looking to start a new carrier right on the doorstep of the biggest.
Interesting piece sent to me courtesy of ABTN
CRANFIELD UNIVERSITY has published its second report into the low-cost scheduled airlines which have revolutionised short-haul air travel in recent times, particularly in the UK and Western Europe. The report says rapid growth of budget scheduled carriers in Europe is in sharp contrast to the charter airlines who have seen traffic stagnate or even decline. As the no-frills sector matures, however, a potential over-supply of airline seats means that some no-frills airlines will struggle to survive.
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To quote from one of your many, many posts against Now Airlines:
>>Only because I have seen an awful lot of paper airlines over the past few years, and HAD MY FINGERS BURNED WITH ONE OR TWO... and I would like to see NOW (or anyone else claiming a start-up) being honest with their dealings with the flying community.
For example...has anyone been issued a contract by NOW? Has anyone been given an employment start date by NOW<<
Which two airlines burnt your very sore fingers?
Got my contract, got my start date, sorry to dissapoint you.
>>Only because I have seen an awful lot of paper airlines over the past few years, and HAD MY FINGERS BURNED WITH ONE OR TWO... and I would like to see NOW (or anyone else claiming a start-up) being honest with their dealings with the flying community.
For example...has anyone been issued a contract by NOW? Has anyone been given an employment start date by NOW<<
Which two airlines burnt your very sore fingers?
Got my contract, got my start date, sorry to dissapoint you.
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Excellent....well done guys:-
Now we just need
1) Destinations
2) A reservations system
3) Passengers
4) Aircraft
and
5) AN AOC
All of which, I'm sure are well under way.
Oh, and a first flight date would be good as well
Best of Luck
Now we just need
1) Destinations
2) A reservations system
3) Passengers
4) Aircraft
and
5) AN AOC
All of which, I'm sure are well under way.
Oh, and a first flight date would be good as well
Best of Luck
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. . .jmc-man might be like a broken record, but I must admit I am becoming increasingly doubtful ! . . .
Precisely. Repetition of an unimformed, biased and critical opinion.
All done with the personal remit of attacking business confidence and recruitment.
It means nothing. Judge them on their trading performance.
Precisely. Repetition of an unimformed, biased and critical opinion.
All done with the personal remit of attacking business confidence and recruitment.
It means nothing. Judge them on their trading performance.
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Some points which tend to contradict the nonsense posted by JMC-MAN and others:
1. They have at least 20 people in the office at Luton, and growing.
2. Route proving flight seems to be confirmed.
3. the simulators are booked for courses, with people on courses now.
I think they are being very smart in not releasing information into the public domain, in fact you could say it is very clever tactics not to release information until the day before launch even.
1. They have at least 20 people in the office at Luton, and growing.
2. Route proving flight seems to be confirmed.
3. the simulators are booked for courses, with people on courses now.
I think they are being very smart in not releasing information into the public domain, in fact you could say it is very clever tactics not to release information until the day before launch even.
I have nothing to do with NOW but I do know an ex colleague who is working hard to get the AOC approved and ready. He is of the opinion that the airline will have a successful launch. Sorry don't know any dates.
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This is where fixed pricing comes into it's own though.
Someone wants to fly to Barcelona, for example, the day of NOW launching services there and that day is tomorrow. Cattle-truck airlines also flying from Luton is charging silly money while NOW, offering a premium service, is the same price it will always be. The guy/gal buys the NOW seat and enjoys the service and isn't told he is cheap and becomes a loyal customer telling all his/her other friends how good it was and how nice it was to be treated like a human being. Suddenly everyone knows about NOW, but only the good things and not the appauling demonstrations of the lack of customer service shown by Cattle-truck airlines on their TV show on ITV.
PS. So as not to encourage JMC-man and his alter ego's (priscilla, Sq Ldr WX et al) please ignore any posting he may make on the subject of NOW. His sim is in flight freeze and going nowhere!
Someone wants to fly to Barcelona, for example, the day of NOW launching services there and that day is tomorrow. Cattle-truck airlines also flying from Luton is charging silly money while NOW, offering a premium service, is the same price it will always be. The guy/gal buys the NOW seat and enjoys the service and isn't told he is cheap and becomes a loyal customer telling all his/her other friends how good it was and how nice it was to be treated like a human being. Suddenly everyone knows about NOW, but only the good things and not the appauling demonstrations of the lack of customer service shown by Cattle-truck airlines on their TV show on ITV.
PS. So as not to encourage JMC-man and his alter ego's (priscilla, Sq Ldr WX et al) please ignore any posting he may make on the subject of NOW. His sim is in flight freeze and going nowhere!
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Hope NOW comes good, but they are going to have to be able to fight as hard and as clever as Stellios did with the big boys,in the beginning, because they ai,nt gonna get no red carpet , RW and MO,L are going to set out to ruin them as quickly as possible,giving away seats and increasing frequency on any threatened territory, and anyone who believes the two won,t work together in some way to achieve this is very naive.
Be a good fight to watch though,even if not a long one.
Be a good fight to watch though,even if not a long one.
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Ttree Ttrimmer,
You are assuming that all airlines work in a vacuum?
Supposing NOW did launch with one days notice and just suppose that those orange chappies are selling at the extortionately high rates for which they are reknowned. Do you think that if one of the routes on which NOW flies is a orange route that there would not be a competitive response?
I suspect that if the competitive environment required it that EZY would drop their fares to a more competitive frame (remembering that they have a lot more frequency on most of their routes than NOW are likely to start with). Surely they would just price the flight that is closest to the NOW frequency at or below the NOW rate and leave the rest as is?
This is exactly where fixed pricing never can and never will work
You are assuming that all airlines work in a vacuum?
Supposing NOW did launch with one days notice and just suppose that those orange chappies are selling at the extortionately high rates for which they are reknowned. Do you think that if one of the routes on which NOW flies is a orange route that there would not be a competitive response?
I suspect that if the competitive environment required it that EZY would drop their fares to a more competitive frame (remembering that they have a lot more frequency on most of their routes than NOW are likely to start with). Surely they would just price the flight that is closest to the NOW frequency at or below the NOW rate and leave the rest as is?
This is exactly where fixed pricing never can and never will work
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Buzz first flight was in the depths of winter - started off to empty flights in the quietest part of the year, with the competition fighting to fill their flights.
2004, with additional low cost capacity forecast to equal the entire 2001 capacity will be a tough year... Hope Now know what they are doing - even with 20 staff in the office....
2004, with additional low cost capacity forecast to equal the entire 2001 capacity will be a tough year... Hope Now know what they are doing - even with 20 staff in the office....
Are you sure cattle truck airlines treat their customers as non-humans?
Statistically there is not too much to choose between the top ten UK airlines in terms of bags left behind, cancelled flights, punctuality and - probably - the smileyness of the cabin crew.
Its a bit of a tenuous assumption to translate ITV's Airline docusoap into a realistic illustration of a 22,000,000 pax-a-year operation.
Not that there isn't considerable room for improvement of course.
If Now succeed in offering the pax a different product that they like then, in the long run, we'll all benefit. After all if Ryan and Easy hadn't tried the same thing then a lot of pilots wouldn't have jobs today.
WWW
Statistically there is not too much to choose between the top ten UK airlines in terms of bags left behind, cancelled flights, punctuality and - probably - the smileyness of the cabin crew.
Its a bit of a tenuous assumption to translate ITV's Airline docusoap into a realistic illustration of a 22,000,000 pax-a-year operation.
Not that there isn't considerable room for improvement of course.
If Now succeed in offering the pax a different product that they like then, in the long run, we'll all benefit. After all if Ryan and Easy hadn't tried the same thing then a lot of pilots wouldn't have jobs today.
WWW
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NOW Airlines have filed slots with Airport Coordination Limited (ACL) to commence operations on 11 December 2003, operating 3 B737-300 aircraft to 6 European destinations from LLA.
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PASSENGERS!!!!!!
Where are the passengers?????
Are you guys deaf or what? NOW airlines can apply for anything they want, at minimum expense....but no PASSSENGERS, No Business.
Where are the passengers?????
Are you guys deaf or what? NOW airlines can apply for anything they want, at minimum expense....but no PASSSENGERS, No Business.
