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The official Soccer World Cup 2010 Thread
Charter flights, additional flights, vip flights...
A source from South African Airways, the host and home carrier for the games – although Emirates is the main airline sponsor for FIFA – has also confirmed that the airline will be operating an enhanced and expanded 24/7 schedule to make most use of planes ordinarily parked overnight to move the anticipated large number of footballing and tourist visitors across the vast country. Other privately-owned airlines registered in South Africa have also made final preparations to increase their own capacities through short-term "wet leases" aimed at boosting the available seat numbers, although SAA was not to be drawn into this issue if they would seek assistance from their alliance partners to enter into short-term leases also. There are some indications, however, from such airlines as Lufthansa that their planes, normally arriving in the morning and returning to Europe in the evening, may operate some flights for SAA instead of just standing there idle, making money for both in the process. Meanwhile, sources in the UAE have given the clearest indication yet that Emirates will be using their A 380s to fly their regular daily flights into South Africa to also offer more seats, which in any case will be at an absolute premium in the run up to, during, and immediately after the event, when progressively the eliminated teams and their supporters begin their journey home, while the knock-out stage goes underway and the losers make an early exit from South Africa. |
I've heard that there will be other african airlines also providing seats in the form of charters for teams, shuttles around the southern african continent, hauling in the huge amounts of cargo, etc.
I doubt this will be connected in any way to Emirates or SAA. |
This is all supposing any one is going to bother coming.....
I think once the dust settles,folks are going to be saying 'world cup? Did we just have the world cup?' A very damp squib, methinks:hmm:. Speaking to hardened football fans over here in the UK (guys who have`nt missed flying off to wherever it was being held in the last 15-20 years-that sort of fan) a lot of them are adamant they are`nt going to go to SA. Various reasons-Crime,Flight prices,the country seems to be going in to 'Prepare for the tourists! Prepare the Rip-off machine!' mode etc etc. Just think its going to be a bit of a let down,really....yawn Not being negative-just think thats the way its going to go. |
A little research on the matter shows that there is an estimated 3 Million Tickets planned for SWC 2010.
These will be sold through 5 Sales Phases - Phase 1 to 3 has been concluded with Phase 4 currently underway: The next ticketing sales phase will start on 9 February 2010 and end on 7 April 2010. During these 58 days, more than 400,000 tickets will be made available on a first-come, first-served basis via www.fifa.com/2010 or in FNB branches (in South Africa only). From 15 April 2010 onwards, ticketing centres will be open in each host city (with two in Johannesburg) where fans will be able to buy tickets over the counter and also collect their confirmed tickets. Total = 1 881 268 South African Residents (1 319 963) USA (134 320), UK (84 917), Germany (39 759), Australia (33 399), Brazil (18 773), Mexico (14 804), Canada (11 662), Switzerland (11 045), Japan (10 558), Botswana (2 519), Mozambique (1 795), Namibia (1191) and various other smaller quantities. There is a shortfall of approximately 196 563 in Fifa's reporting, but these are rumoured to include Hospitality and Sponsor allocations. This already brings the number of visitors expected to 364 742, excluding the Teams themselves. Not ALL bad me thinks :p |
Yes, the ticket sales internationally isn't that bad as widely reported, but, remember that is amount of ticket sales, not necessarily individual people. 1 person can buy up to 7 tickets...I'd say on average the international visitor would probably buy 3 to 5 tickets per person.
And it doesn't just have to be international visitors filling the stadiums, if a stadium is full, who cares who it is, the more South Africans buy tickets, the more succesfull, afterall it is something we're doing for ourselves. The international tourists is a bonus for the hospitality industry. Ofcourse we won't be seeing the hundreds of thousands extra people as predicted (maybe slightly more tourists than usually in the low May/June/July season) and not the hundreds of extra international flights and charters as we hoped. At the moment there is at least several extra flights loaded ie: TAP Air Portugal, Iberia, British Airways, Air France, Delta, Ethiopian, Kenya Airways, Air Austral, Air Mauritius all adding capacity be it through extra flights or using larger aircraft. Aerolinas Argentinas is also to fly to JNB, for about 3 weeks, I think 14 flights between 9 and 26 June. Together with new permanent flights from V Australia (MEL), Jet Airways (BOM), Thai Airways (BKK) and increased capacity and frequency by Malaysia Airlines (KUL) and Qatar Airways (DOH). |
Can't wait to see the news coverage when a naive German couple decides to get in a nice litle taxi with some of the friendly locals, only later to arrive at the stadium with only the shoes on their feet and a couple of knife wounds.
This will be the worst sports disaster in history. The world will see a crime spree like no other. I mean, what locals are going to the games? Most can't afford tickets. No public transport, lack of "suitable" accomodation, violent crime...all couple with an extreme tourist naivety about SA. Wow.:ugh: |
I mean, what locals are going to the games? Most can't afford tickets. Total = 1 881 268 South African Residents (1 319 963) |
Come on lpokijuhyt! Thats pretty gloomy. Things are really not that bad. When last were you in a taxi? There are a lot of locals going to games. Ticket prices just came down to about R140 (I think). Sure there are lots of naive tourists, but thats the case all over the world. Its certainly not going to be crime free, but where in the world is? I dont think I am being naive, I think most of the locals are feeling pretty positive (and I am a local too). Hope you are pleasantly surprised
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important is to go there
One tip to go there (for European!)
Russia was supposed to get qualified, I know federation purchased lots of tickets (for matchs, but for flights too): as they're out, they sell it: good bargains! Good luck! |
South African residents includes South Africans living abroad. As a South African who lives abroad I can assure you that thousands of us are coming. Most of my friends who live abroad have tickets and are booked!!!
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Well I'm going to watch a game or two.
That figure of 364000 visitors isn't the only visitors, there are thousands of other tourists as well, that is just tickets sold...throughout the year tourism carries, bringing in a rough 10million tourists to South Africa a year, of which 2 to 3 million is not from the African continent...although many of the African visitors (Angola, Kenya, Ghana, Gabon etc.) is the biggers spenders, thus more important. A tourist can be from Africa, just like Cyprus' tourists is also predominantly from the continent unit they belong to themselves. There is always expressions of security, from anyone going to any country...but hey we only need 10million visitors a year from 6 billion on the planet, those that are concerned, unprepared, scared or get blindsided by british media can just as well stay home. I think we'll be pleasantly surprised, yes, there is very likely to be a tourist or two being robbed and the british media will have a ball of a time with that, but hey that's how we know them, and those that know better won't be influenced. Somehow I kind of get the idea that this forum has alot more pessimistic sour people active (luckily not all)...that wants things to be wrong, and only want to see wrong and predict the worse. |
Well, in South Africa, if an English tourist gets robbed and stabbed, at least the robbery benefits someone.
In England at closing time, it is just the stabbing and the violence that happens and that benefits no one. Bring on the Brits - cash machines on legs! |
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Hi Tottigol
Might be a good tip. Unfortunately, my Columbian are in the same situation (hoped to go, but...:uhoh:): I'll check if same possibility to "re-get" tickets exist: could be easier for South American guys than from Russia:) pm me if you have more details |
Tickets
Read today that the Bloemfontein municipality have bought 50 000 tickets to 'share them amongst the citizens'. This is where the problem lies. These
tickets are not being sold to revenue-producing overseas tourists-guess who the above-mentioned 'citizens' are? Unfortunately not 2 cents to rub between them.... So, while 84 900 odd tickets sold in the UK may sound nice, 50 000 tickets going to fans as freebies(in one district) kind of puts that into perspective. Also large corporations have been 'pressured' into buying huge amounts of tickets which they`ll give away. To? Yep,socially acceptable/politically correct groups.Yes a few will go to customers etc but a big proportion to the 'masses'. Don`nt get me wrong,one of the great things about football is the way it crosses all social divides but don`t confuse announcements of how many tickets have been sold with the reality of quality footie fans the country will see coming over to SA. According to various news articles they are giving these tickets away by the thousand-all in the name of that age-old African bad habit-IMAGE. The stadiums must be full,and be seen to be full! All in my humble opinion of course;). |
100 days to go.
With 100 days to go before kick-off FIFA are reviewing anticipated tourist figures, originally 450 000 down to "considerably less". The main reason given - ripoff prices of hotels and airfares, also known as greed.
Where has the money come from to build the infrastucture and how will this money be recovered in the future? What a shame as this could have been an investment in future tourism if it were not for the greed of a few. |
Food for thought: besides all the tickets sold to people outside of South Africa, has anyone thought about the 'regulars' who usually visit as tourists or visiting family, who now will avoid coming to South Africa during this madness?
How much revenue is being lost by this? Including locals who will not travel to Kruger for instance, because the lodgings there have been reserved for football fans, who won't bother going to Kruger? I think South Africa is missing out on revenue and that amount is still hidden, it will only show up at the end of this fiscal year when the books are closed for the year. |
from skyscrapercity, TAM flights from Brazil.
JJ 9386 07/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 08/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9384 08/jun/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0840 A332 JJ 9385 09/jun/10 JNB 1120 GRU 1700 A332 JJ 9386 09/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 10/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9380 10/jun/10 GRU 1630 DUR 0635 A332 JJ 9381 11/jun/10 DUR 0830 GRU 1420 A332 JJ 9388 10/jun/10 GRU 1835 DUR 0835 A332 JJ 9389 11/jun/10 DUR 1050 GRU 1635 A332 JJ 9386 11/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 12/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9384 12/jun/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0835 A332 JJ 9385 13/jun/10 JNB 1045 GRU 1615 A332 JJ 9382 13/jun/10 GRU 1630 CPT 0520 A332 JJ 9383 14/jun/10 CPT 0730 GRU 1200 A332 JJ 9386 13/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 14/jun/10 CPT 1205 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9384 14/jun/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0830 A332 JJ 9385 15/jun/10 JNB 1055 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9388 15/jun/10 GRU 1835 DUR 0835 10:00 CPT 12:30 A332 JJ 9387 16/jun/10 CPT 1400 GRU 1830 A332 JJ 9386 16/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 0845 JNB 11:10 A332 JJ 9385 17/jun/10 JNB 1225 GRU 1755 A332 JJ 9382 17/jun/10 GRU 1630 CPT 0520 A332 JJ 9383 18/jun/10 CPT 0730 GRU 1200 A332 JJ 9380 20/jun/10 GRU 1630 DUR 0650 0830 JNB 0950 A332 JJ 9381 21/jun/10 JNB 1120 GRU 1650 A332 JJ 9386 20/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 0815 DUR 1055 A332 JJ 9389 21/jun/10 DUR 1230 GRU 1820 A332 JJ 9386 21/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 CPT 0825 DUR 1055 A332 JJ 9389 22/jun/10 DUR 1230 GRU 1815 A332 JJ 9384 22/jun/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0840 JNB 1020 CPT 1240 A332 JJ 9387 23/jun/10 CPT 1410 GRU 1835 A332 JJ 9384 23/jun/10 GRU 1835 JNB 0825 A332 JJ 9385 24/jun/10 JNB 1140 GRU 1710 A332 JJ 9388 24/jun/10 GRU 1845 DUR 0850 DUR 1050 JNB 1210 A332 JJ 9385 25/jun/10 JNB 1340 GRU 1910 A332 JJ 9388 25/jun/10 GRU 1845 DUR 0850 A332 JJ 9389 26/jun/10 DUR 1050 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9386 26/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 27/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9382 27/jun/10 GRU 1630 JNB 0620 A332 JJ 9383 28/jun/10 JNB 0815 GRU 1400 A332 JJ 9386 27/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 28/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9384 28/jun/10 GRU 1805 JNB 0755 A332 JJ 9385 29/jun/10 JNB 1055 GRU 1625 A332 JJ 9384 30/jun/10 GRU 1835 JNB 0825 JNB 0925 CPT 1210 A332 JJ 9387 01/jul/10 CPT 1340 GRU 1810 A332 JJ 9386 02/jul/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 03/jul/10 CPT 1220 GRU 1650 A332 JJ 9380 03/jul/10 GRU 1630 JNB 0620 A332 JJ 9381 04/jul/10 JNB 0830 GRU 1400 A332 JJ 9386 03/jul/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 04/jul/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9386 04/jul/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 05/jul/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9386 05/jul/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 JJ 330 CPT 0850 JNB 1045 A332 JJ 9385 06/jul/10 JNB 1230 GRU 1755 A332 JJ 9386 06/jul/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 07/jul/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9384 11/jul/10 GRU 1855 JNB 0845 A332 JJ 9385 12/jul/10 JNB 1210 GRU 1740 A332 JJ 9384 12/jul/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0830 A332 JJ 9385 13/jul/10 JNB 1120 GRU 1640 A332 JJ 9386 13/jul/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332 JJ 9387 14/jul/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332 |
Also Aerolinas Argentinas flights from EZE:
EXTENDED SCHEDULE INFORMATION 18FEB10-25JAN11 0001-2359 BUENOS AIRES-JOHANNESBURG EFF DISC MTWTFSS BRD OFF DEP ARR FLIGHT EQU 08JUN10 13JUN10 .2....7 EZE JNB 1700#0645 AR1946 744 18JUN10 18JUN10 ....5.. EZE JNB 1700#0645 AR1946 744 26JUN10 26JUN10 .....6. EZE JNB 1700#0645 AR1946 744 08JUN10 13JUN10 .2....7 EZE JNB 1800#0745 AR1948 744 18JUN10 18JUN10 ....5.. EZE JNB 1800#0745 AR1948 744 23JUN10 23JUN10 ..3.... EZE JNB 1800#0745 AR1946 744 14JUN10 19JUN10 1....6. EZE JNB 2200#1145 AR1946 744 24JUN10 24JUN10 ...4... EZE JNB 2200#1145 AR1946 744 14JUN10 19JUN10 1....6. EZE JNB 2300#1245 AR1948 744 24JUN10 24JUN10 ...4... EZE JNB 2300#1245 AR1948 744 EXTENDED SCHEDULE INFORMATION 18FEB10-25JAN11 0001-2359 JOHANNESBURG-BUENOS AIRES EFF DISC MTWTFSS BRD OFF DEP ARR FLIGHT EQU 09JUN10 14JUN10 1.3.... JNB EZE 0940 1530 AR1947 744 19JUN10 19JUN10 .....6. JNB EZE 0940 1530 AR1947 744 09JUN10 14JUN10 1.3.... JNB EZE 1030 1620 AR1949 744 19JUN10 19JUN10 .....6. JNB EZE 1030 1620 AR1949 744 24JUN10 27JUN10 ...4..7 JNB EZE 1030 1620 AR1947 744 15JUN10 20JUN10 .2....7 JNB EZE 1430 2020 AR1947 744 25JUN10 25JUN10 ....5.. JNB EZE 1430 2020 AR1947 744 15JUN10 20JUN10 .2....7 JNB EZE 1530 2120 AR1949 744 25JUN10 25JUN10 ....5.. JNB EZE 1530 2120 AR1949 744 |
Wowsers....that is about 45 flights @400 per flight =18,000 people and if each one spends $1,000 in SA that is $18,000,000
The cost of he new stadiums and refurbishing the old ones , according to F2010 website is: $2,222,000,000. It's not as simple as that and we shall never know the reality. The gvt will massage the figures. People I know have been telephoned today to ask them please if they would like to come to Kruger Park in June/July. They had been told no chance at all. The bookings are not coming in from overseas. Anyway, these people will not go now. They have no wish to be even in the same game park as football fans, always seen as drunk and not friendly to ecology. Who would want to holiday anywhere near them? Local tourism will possibly be dead in June July. South African tourist industry has made a mistake in judging the English and the Germans. You see, these people will not come in great numbers if they know that this is rip off tourist South Africa. If South Africa later tries to lower the prices at the last moment, these people will not change their decision not to come. They will say 'hard lines, rip off artist hotels and airlines, go suffer!' South Africa's projected bill for hosting the 2010 World Cup has ballooned to over four times the original cost. Figures released by the organising committee on Wednesday put the total cost at US$1.59 billion, far in excess of the original estimate of US$295m. This is from the BBC dated October 18th, 2006! That makes the real cost of the stadiums just about eight times the original estimate. That is a little bit of a bad budget hole. |
Kruger Park etc
What 'Hammer' says sounds true. Read that a particular company had the 'rights'to booking 3 or 4 of the main camps in the Park during June/July with ordinary South Africans not allowed to book in the Park during this period. What a joke-turns out they`ve had 29 bookings for all 3 or 4 of these camps! Clowns. I still maintain this is going to be a huge let-down and i`m sure people involved in Olympics and other large events are watching this farce and thinking 'never again,never again':O.This whole thing was political,probably along the lines of 'let Africa have it and lets get it over with so we can go back to letting properly-organised countries` host arguably the worlds premier sports event'. I think any airline or charter company that gets exess aircraft in for this period is going to burn their fingers....
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Few more changes and extras:
As per 12FEB10 GDS timetable display, El Al is to operate Boeing 747-400 instead of 767 on Tel Aviv – Johannesburg route from 25JUN10 and 02JUL10, replacing 767-200ER Air Austral is tripling its capacity on 2 weekly St Denis de la Reunion – Johannesburg route during World Cup 2010. From 10JUN10 to 15JUL10, it is to operate 364-seater Boeing 777-200ER instead of 118-seater Boeing 737-500. In addition, there is minor schedule change during this period. Schedule as follows: UU371 RUN0750 – 1000JNB 772 7 UU341 RUN1120 – 1330JNB 772 4 UU372 JNB1150 – 1715RUN 772 7 UU342 JNB1520 – 2045RUN 772 4 TAP Portugal is operating extra services to Johannesburg during World Cup. Schedule as follows: TP2283 LIS1805 – 0535+1JNB 332 09JUN10 TP2271 LIS1905 – 0635+1JNB 343 11JUN10/12JUN10/10JUL10 TP2273 LIS0950 – 2120JNB 332 13JUN10 TP2271 LIS1905 – 0635+1JNB 343 5 18JUN10 – 09JUL10 TP2273 LIS0950 – 2120JNB 332 6 19JUN10 – 10JUL10 TP2287 LIS1805 – 0550+1MPM0720+1 – 0830+1JNB 343 11JUL10 TP2283 JNB0705 – 0820MPM0945 – 1955LIS 332 10JUN10 TP2272 JNB0805 – 1745LIS 343 67 12JUN10 – 19JUN10 TP2272 JNB0805 – 1745LIS 343 6 20JUN10 – 10JUL10 TP2272 JNB0805 – 1745LIS 343 11JUL10 TP2270 JNB2250 – 0830+1LIS 332 6 19JUN10 – 17JUL10 TP2270 JNB2250 – 0830+1LIS 332 13JUN10 TP2287 JNB1000 – 1940LIS 343 12JUL10 From 28MAR10, Kenya Airways is increasing Nairobi – Johannesburg service from 21 to 22 weekly. During World Cup in June/July 2010, it is expanding capacity on this route to meet the increasing demand. Details as follows: KQ760 NBO0715 – 1025JNB EQV D KQ762 NBO0910 – 1220JNB EQV D KQ768 NBO1200 – 1510JNB 738 7 28MAR10- KQ764 NBO2040 – 2350JNB EQV D KQ765 JNB0040 – 0545NBO EQV D KQ761 JNB1115 – 1620NBO EQV D KQ763 JNB1340 – 1845NBO EQV D KQ769 JNB1600 – 2105NBO 738 7 28MAR10- World Cup Period Planned Aircraft operation from 06JUN10 to 11JUL10: KQ760/761 738 06JUN – 07JUN / 14JUN / 16JUN / 18JUN / 20JUN – 23JUN / 25JUN / 02JUL – 03JUL / 06JUL – 11JUL 767 08JUN / 11JUN – 13JUN / 17JUN / 19JUN / 26JUN – 01JUL / 04JUL – 05JUL / 12JUL – 13JUL 772 09JUN – JUN / 15JUN / 24JUN KQ762/763 73W 06JUN 738 07JUL / 09JUL / 16JUL 767 07JUN / 16JUN – 17JUN / 21JUN / 27JUN / 02JUL / 05JUL – 06JUL / 08JUL / JUL – 11JUL / 15JUL / 17JUL 772 08JUN – 15JUN / 18JUN – 20JUN / 22JUN – 26JUN / 28JUN – 01JUL / 03JUL – 04JUL / 12JUL – 14JUL KQ768/769 738 (Sunday Only) KQ764/765 (KQ765 departs JNB the following day) 738 06JUN – 07JUN / 14JUN – 19JUN / 21JUN – 23JUN / 29JUN – 02JUL / 05JUL – 17JUL 767 20JUN / 24JUN / 26JUN – 28JUN / 04JUL / 11JUL – 13JUL 772 08JUN – 13JUN / 25JUN / 03JUL |
Delta's additional:
DELTA is to operate extra Atlanta – Johannesburg NONSTOP service during the Soccer World Cup in South Africa in June and July 2010. The increased service will also operates with Boeing 777-200LR. Schedule as follows: DL200 ATL1925 – 1705+1JNB 77L D DL201 JNB2020 – 0645+1ATL 77L D DL102 ATL2120 – 1900+1JNB 77L 135 09JUN10 – 14JUN10 DL102 ATL2110 – 1850+1JNB 77L 19JUN10 DL102 ATL2105 – 1845+1JNB 77L 22JUN10 DL102 ATL2120 – 1900+1JNB 77L 11JUL10 DL103 JNB2100 – 0725+1ATL 77L 246 10JUN10 – 15JUN10 DL103 JNB2055 – 0720+1ATL 77L 20JUN10 DL103 JNB2100 – 0725+1ATL 77L 23JUN10/12JUL10 |
There was an article in the travel section of the Saturday Star last weekend that said all but ONE camp (Skukuza) had been given back to Parks Board by the World Cup People . Now what has happened to all the South Africans with Confirmed bookings that were kicked out of the park for this period.
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Stadiums turning into white elephants?
London - Danny Jordaan, the 2010 South Africa World Cup supremo, said the future use of two stadiums built specially for the tournament hinged on their also becoming rugby union grounds. "We need to make the stadiums viable... The central issue is whether rugby will move to the new stadiums. I think they will. Their stadiums were built in the 1950s," Jordaan, speaking in London, said Thursday. Durban's Moses Mabhida Stadium, which has been built at a cost of 3.1 billion rand (413 million dollars) is right next door to the Kings Park home of the Sharks Super 14 rugby union team. But the Sharks are so far showing no inclination to move, sparking fears the Mabhida Stadium may be unviable economically once the World Cup is over, leaving the city with an expensive white elephant. There are similar concerns in Cape Town, where a new stadium in Green Point has cost an estimated one billion rand more than its Durban counterpart. But the Stormers play at the Newlands ground, the home of rugby in Cape Town for over a hundred years, and the Western Province Rugby Union has maintained that is where the team will be staying after the football World Cup. "These are emotional debates," Jordaan said. "The debate about the 'new' Wembley took five years in London. "In Cape Town and Durban, the debate is still on." - Sapa-AFP |
Quote from Hammer:
Wowsers....that is about 45 flights @400 per flight =18,000 people and if each one spends $1,000 in SA that is $18,000,000 The cost of he new stadiums and refurbishing the old ones , according to F2010 website is: $2,222,000,000. Lets try this math with the official figures from FIFA: Expected foreign tourists (I admit this is high): 445000 Average spend per day: R1750 Average days per person: 16 Total foreign spending: R12.46 billion Add to this the legacy in terms of improved infrastructure, the extra domestic spending by South Africans, TV revenue (FIFA sold it for EUR 1 billion), and the 1.5 billion people who will watch it on TV and its probably pretty good! |
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It is of course impossible to argue about such hypothetical figures, days of stay, spending, spending outside SA, etc. The big money-I think-is in TV. FIFA have made billions from the writes for TV but what has SA reality been paid so that FIFA can 'sell' the TV to the world? Not a lot I will bet you? FIFA will clear up big time. I heard that when the cup goes to England in 2014(?) that FIFA has already agreed with British government that no employee of FIFA (even a sweeper) will have to file a UK tax return or be liable for UK tax for the year of the cup. A very rich and powerful organisation which benefits at the expense of the host country? Sure thing, no FIFA/no world cup. But it is a greedy beast and it is French of course which is amusing and ironic. I hope the show will be pretty good and even if it is not, you will read that it is. Mind you, I am going away for those four weeks. All those guys from the Argentine and Brazil coming here and all their women over there. There must be a tango or a salsa somewhere in waiting? As for any legacy of infra structure, please continue to be so very humurous. The Mad Hatter's Tea Party? Jam tomorrow, jam yesterday but no jam today! This is Africa. We don't do infra structure! |
I agree that the number of visitors is possibly a little high. The data on days and spending are in-line with research conducted on other events in South Africa (cricket and rugby world cups) and other soccer world cups. These numbers are probably an understatement since a significant number of people stay for all 6 weeks (mostly media over 10000, officials 500, etc).
FIFA do own the World Cup and the TV rights and essentially the country pays FIFA an amount in order to host the World Cup. FIFA does provide a fair amount of the TV rights to the local organizing committee. Even bigger than the TV rights are the corporate sponsorships which are also shared since some are local sponsors (i.e. FNB) while others are global (i.e. Coca Cola). In terms of infrastructure here are some projects which will leave a legacy - these are just some of the government funded projects off the top of my head (never mind the private sector investments): - Johannesburg airport: new central terminal, additions to international departures, new international pier, new parking deck - Cape Town airport: new central terminal, new parking deck - Durban: new airport altogether - Major public transport: Gautrain, Johannesburg BRT, Cape Town IRT, Port Elizabeth BRT, redevelopment of Cape Town Station - Major roads: redevelopment of Koeberg interchange on N1 in Cape Town, redevelopment of Hospital bend interchange on N2 in Cape Town, multiple highway capacity increases in Johannesburg By the way, your comment on the UK in 2014 is rubbish since the 2014 World Cup has not even been awarded and Australia and the US are favorites to win the bid. Furthermore, such a tax exemption would be illegal under European law. |
Gautrain was never intended to be part of the FWC development.
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Well, I am sorry to say that I heard rubbish. I make apologies for getting 2014 so confused with 2018. But here, for the edification of your expertise on European tax law are the following. please fogive me if this was read in a totally unreliable source. Such is all we poor mortals have to rely upon.
World Cup 2018 officials would nutmeg UK tax - Accountancy Age World Cup 2018: Gordon Brown makes £300m pledge to Fifa over England bid - Telegraph |
2014 WC has been awarded
and will be in Brazil
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There is a difference, FIFA are exempt from taxes on profits from the World Cup in South Africa too, as they were in Germany. This is in the host contract. But you were talking about payroll taxes on FIFA staff which is a different issue and worth a lot more money. On that issue, the article you speak about is incorrect. Germany tried to do this in 2006 and the EU Commission didn't allow it. EU law doesn't allow one to discriminate rates of personal (not corporate) taxes between people based on anything other than income.
The other comment is correct, 2014 is in Brazil, UK never applied. It has applied alongside the US, Australia and Russia (and some others) for both 2018 and 2022. If these tournaments are not worth it why do so many countries want to host it? Why do Australia still do it after so many major sporting events in the last few years (Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Rugby World Cup, F1 Grand Prix, etc)? Is there something they have not worked out? Yes, it costs lots of money, but it has a long term benefit. The Gautrain was originally planned and promised for the 2006 bid. Part of what made the bid impressive was the commitment to build the Gautrain and various other things independent on the outcome of the bid. |
This World Cup is bad for South Africa for many reasons. Underneath all the hype hides the greed and the manipulation of facts and statistics.
Even if it all goes well, and that's a huge 'if', it's unlikely that any more than a small fraction of the money coming into the country will filter through to benefit the most needy. Most of it will benefit the large hotel chains, tour operators, and the airlines. The only permanent benefit may be an improvement of the road infrastructure in and around the venues, and we've paid for that with the massive inconvenience and disruption to traffic flows over the last couple of years. I'm excluding the Gautrain, as someone else has already pointed out, it wasn't foreseen as part of the World Cup planning, and its pricing places it way out of reach of the masses, so it will do nothing to relieve traffic congestion. Security, health, and education for the poor are not going to see great benefits, and it is doubtful whether there will be any real improvement in mass transportation. The greed and so called 'price gouging' practised by the hotel chains, airlines, and private individuals looking to cash in on the opportunity have already left a bad taste. I hope, and expect, that many of them will regret this as they will be left with unsold capacity which they will at the last minute have to dump and take a loss. Good. I think we'll see a lot of those extra flights mentioned by previous posters suddenly disappearing from the schedules. If there is no serious crime affecting visitors, it may well improve the image of South Africa. I only hope that the measures which are supposedly being put in place will be effective, but I am not too confident that this will be so. This feeling is shared by many outsiders to whom I've spoken, who quite simply feel that SA is 'too dangerous' for them to go to. Whilst I don't agree, I do sympathise. As someone with absolutely no interest whatsoever in football, in fact I have a profound dislike for the culture surrounding it, I will be taking a great interest in how this saga unfolds. I hope my pessimism is proved wrong. |
5:07pm UK, Tuesday February 23, 2010
Emma Hurd, Africa correspondent Fifa has admitted that South Africa is not yet ready to host the 2010 World Cup, with just over three months to go before kick off. World Cup 2010: South Africa Is Not Yet Ready Fifa Admits | World News | Sky News But it will all come right in the end with the right muti. |
One might expect that three months before the event the country would not be ready to host it. "If the question is: 'Could we host the World Cup tomorrow morning?' the answer is no," Mr Valke said. That would be an unreasonable expectation.
The pertinent question is 'will they be able to host it when it happens?' My guess is yes, but with some logistical problems which will be worked around, and on the surface all will appear to be more or less as planned. South Africa and its citizens have always been good at covering things up and 'making a plan', and this will be no different. I still think it's bad news though and for a number of reasons I will be staying well away from SA between the end of May and the end of July. |
What :confused:nothing about emergency service personnel refusing to attend to people without armed guards because they live in fear of being raped. This happened west of johannesburg last night.
What does FIFA who is the current government of South Africa say to this :sad::sad::sad: |
The Gautrain was originally planned and promised for the 2006 bid. Part of what made the bid impressive was the commitment to build the Gautrain and various other things independent on the outcome of the bid. |
Crime an issue???????
A friend of mine was stabbed whilst in Cape Town a couple of days ago and left for dead..............for his mobile phone. Emergency services reached him just in time before he bled to death.
Yes, I can see the World Cup is going to be a great success:D. At least the emergency services are good. |
This is the way many people see South Africa, and with a 'leader' like Zuma, supporting a racist idiot like Julius Malema, it's easy to see why we are the laughing stock of the world.
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Firstly, the Gautrain was never promised to be ready for the World Cup. That was a myth put out by the press. The government said they hoped it would be ready and the contracts awarded to Bombela never included it being ready. There was a R150 million bonus option for parts of it to be operational which the Gauteng government declined to take.
I think we all need some good news on SA. Cape Town under the DA: Economic growth and employment As mayor, Zille has presided over rapid growth and development in the City of Cape Town. Gross geographic product (GGP) increased by over 12% - from R116.6 billion in 2005 under the ANC, to R130.77 billion in 2007 - two years into her tenure. During this time unemployment also declined from 20.7% to 17.9%.[24] Under Zille, the city's debt was also cut by nearly R1 billion, which allowed capital for service delivery to be increased by 15%.[24] [edit] Crime and urban renewal Crime has declined by 90% in the city's CBD over a period of five years, thanks to ongoing collaboration between the DA-led municipality, the police service, metro police, local businesses and the Cape Town Partnership. As a consequence, 3 500 residents have moved back into inner city departments, and there has been a 9.5% growth in fixed investment in Cape Town |
As I understand a limited service between ORT and Sandton will be operational by the 6th of June
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