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Old 21st Feb 2010, 01:09
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Charter flights, additional flights, vip flights...


A source from South African Airways, the host and home carrier for the games – although Emirates is the main airline sponsor for FIFA – has also confirmed that the airline will be operating an enhanced and expanded 24/7 schedule to make most use of planes ordinarily parked overnight to move the anticipated large number of footballing and tourist visitors across the vast country.
Other privately-owned airlines registered in South Africa have also made final preparations to increase their own capacities through short-term "wet leases" aimed at boosting the available seat numbers, although SAA was not to be drawn into this issue if they would seek assistance from their alliance partners to enter into short-term leases also. There are some indications, however, from such airlines as Lufthansa that their planes, normally arriving in the morning and returning to Europe in the evening, may operate some flights for SAA instead of just standing there idle, making money for both in the process.
Meanwhile, sources in the UAE have given the clearest indication yet that Emirates will be using their A 380s to fly their regular daily flights into South Africa to also offer more seats, which in any case will be at an absolute premium in the run up to, during, and immediately after the event, when progressively the eliminated teams and their supporters begin their journey home, while the knock-out stage goes underway and the losers make an early exit from South Africa.
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I've heard that there will be other african airlines also providing seats in the form of charters for teams, shuttles around the southern african continent, hauling in the huge amounts of cargo, etc.

I doubt this will be connected in any way to Emirates or SAA.
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This is all supposing any one is going to bother coming.....
I think once the dust settles,folks are going to be saying 'world cup? Did we just have the world cup?' A very damp squib, methinks.

Speaking to hardened football fans over here in the UK (guys who have`nt missed flying off to wherever it was being held in the last 15-20 years-that sort of fan) a lot of them are adamant they are`nt going to go to SA.
Various reasons-Crime,Flight prices,the country seems to be going in to
'Prepare for the tourists! Prepare the Rip-off machine!' mode etc etc.

Just think its going to be a bit of a let down,really....yawn

Not being negative-just think thats the way its going to go.
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A little research on the matter shows that there is an estimated 3 Million Tickets planned for SWC 2010.

These will be sold through 5 Sales Phases - Phase 1 to 3 has been concluded with Phase 4 currently underway:

The next ticketing sales phase will start on 9 February 2010 and end on 7 April 2010. During these 58 days, more than 400,000 tickets will be made available on a first-come, first-served basis via www.fifa.com/2010 or in FNB branches (in South Africa only).

From 15 April 2010 onwards, ticketing centres will be open in each host city (with two in Johannesburg) where fans will be able to buy tickets over the counter and also collect their confirmed tickets.
At the end of Phase 3, ticket sales (Phase 1 to 3 inclusive) were as follows:

Total = 1 881 268

South African Residents (1 319 963)

USA (134 320), UK (84 917), Germany (39 759), Australia (33 399), Brazil (18 773), Mexico (14 804), Canada (11 662),
Switzerland (11 045), Japan (10 558), Botswana (2 519), Mozambique (1 795), Namibia (1191) and various other smaller quantities.

There is a shortfall of approximately 196 563 in Fifa's reporting, but these are rumoured to include Hospitality and Sponsor allocations.

This already brings the number of visitors expected to 364 742, excluding the Teams themselves.

Not ALL bad me thinks
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Yes, the ticket sales internationally isn't that bad as widely reported, but, remember that is amount of ticket sales, not necessarily individual people. 1 person can buy up to 7 tickets...I'd say on average the international visitor would probably buy 3 to 5 tickets per person.
And it doesn't just have to be international visitors filling the stadiums, if a stadium is full, who cares who it is, the more South Africans buy tickets, the more succesfull, afterall it is something we're doing for ourselves. The international tourists is a bonus for the hospitality industry.
Ofcourse we won't be seeing the hundreds of thousands extra people as predicted (maybe slightly more tourists than usually in the low May/June/July season) and not the hundreds of extra international flights and charters as we hoped. At the moment there is at least several extra flights loaded ie:
TAP Air Portugal, Iberia, British Airways, Air France, Delta, Ethiopian, Kenya Airways, Air Austral, Air Mauritius all adding capacity be it through extra flights or using larger aircraft. Aerolinas Argentinas is also to fly to JNB, for about 3 weeks, I think 14 flights between 9 and 26 June.
Together with new permanent flights from V Australia (MEL), Jet Airways (BOM), Thai Airways (BKK) and increased capacity and frequency by Malaysia Airlines (KUL) and Qatar Airways (DOH).
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Can't wait to see the news coverage when a naive German couple decides to get in a nice litle taxi with some of the friendly locals, only later to arrive at the stadium with only the shoes on their feet and a couple of knife wounds.

This will be the worst sports disaster in history. The world will see a crime spree like no other. I mean, what locals are going to the games? Most can't afford tickets. No public transport, lack of "suitable" accomodation, violent crime...all couple with an extreme tourist naivety about SA. Wow.
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I mean, what locals are going to the games? Most can't afford tickets.
Quite a few if you read the Stats...
Total = 1 881 268

South African Residents (1 319 963)
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Come on lpokijuhyt! Thats pretty gloomy. Things are really not that bad. When last were you in a taxi? There are a lot of locals going to games. Ticket prices just came down to about R140 (I think). Sure there are lots of naive tourists, but thats the case all over the world. Its certainly not going to be crime free, but where in the world is? I dont think I am being naive, I think most of the locals are feeling pretty positive (and I am a local too). Hope you are pleasantly surprised
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important is to go there

One tip to go there (for European!)
Russia was supposed to get qualified, I know federation purchased lots of tickets (for matchs, but for flights too): as they're out, they sell it: good bargains!
Good luck!
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South African residents includes South Africans living abroad. As a South African who lives abroad I can assure you that thousands of us are coming. Most of my friends who live abroad have tickets and are booked!!!
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Well I'm going to watch a game or two.
That figure of 364000 visitors isn't the only visitors, there are thousands of other tourists as well, that is just tickets sold...throughout the year tourism carries, bringing in a rough 10million tourists to South Africa a year, of which 2 to 3 million is not from the African continent...although many of the African visitors (Angola, Kenya, Ghana, Gabon etc.) is the biggers spenders, thus more important. A tourist can be from Africa, just like Cyprus' tourists is also predominantly from the continent unit they belong to themselves.
There is always expressions of security, from anyone going to any country...but hey we only need 10million visitors a year from 6 billion on the planet, those that are concerned, unprepared, scared or get blindsided by british media can just as well stay home.
I think we'll be pleasantly surprised, yes, there is very likely to be a tourist or two being robbed and the british media will have a ball of a time with that, but hey that's how we know them, and those that know better won't be influenced.
Somehow I kind of get the idea that this forum has alot more pessimistic sour people active (luckily not all)...that wants things to be wrong, and only want to see wrong and predict the worse.
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Well, in South Africa, if an English tourist gets robbed and stabbed, at least the robbery benefits someone.
In England at closing time, it is just the stabbing and the violence that happens and that benefits no one.
Bring on the Brits - cash machines on legs!
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Hi Tottigol
Might be a good tip. Unfortunately, my Columbian are in the same situation (hoped to go, but...): I'll check if same possibility to "re-get" tickets exist: could be easier for South American guys than from Russia
pm me if you have more details
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Tickets

Read today that the Bloemfontein municipality have bought 50 000 tickets to 'share them amongst the citizens'. This is where the problem lies. These
tickets are not being sold to revenue-producing overseas tourists-guess who the above-mentioned 'citizens' are? Unfortunately not 2 cents to rub between them....
So, while 84 900 odd tickets sold in the UK may sound nice, 50 000 tickets going to fans as freebies(in one district) kind of puts that into perspective.
Also large corporations have been 'pressured' into buying huge amounts of tickets which they`ll give away. To? Yep,socially acceptable/politically correct groups.Yes a few will go to customers etc but a big proportion to the 'masses'. Don`nt get me wrong,one of the great things about football is the way it crosses all social divides but don`t confuse announcements of how many tickets have been sold with the reality of quality footie fans the country will see coming over to SA. According to various news articles
they are giving these tickets away by the thousand-all in the name of that age-old African bad habit-IMAGE. The stadiums must be full,and be seen to be full!
All in my humble opinion of course.
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100 days to go.

With 100 days to go before kick-off FIFA are reviewing anticipated tourist figures, originally 450 000 down to "considerably less". The main reason given - ripoff prices of hotels and airfares, also known as greed.

Where has the money come from to build the infrastucture and how will this money be recovered in the future?

What a shame as this could have been an investment in future tourism if it were not for the greed of a few.
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Food for thought: besides all the tickets sold to people outside of South Africa, has anyone thought about the 'regulars' who usually visit as tourists or visiting family, who now will avoid coming to South Africa during this madness?
How much revenue is being lost by this? Including locals who will not travel to Kruger for instance, because the lodgings there have been reserved for football fans, who won't bother going to Kruger?

I think South Africa is missing out on revenue and that amount is still hidden, it will only show up at the end of this fiscal year when the books are closed for the year.
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from skyscrapercity, TAM flights from Brazil.

JJ 9386 07/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332
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JJ 9384 08/jun/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0840 A332
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JJ 9386 09/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332
JJ 9387 10/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332

JJ 9380 10/jun/10 GRU 1630 DUR 0635 A332
JJ 9381 11/jun/10 DUR 0830 GRU 1420 A332

JJ 9388 10/jun/10 GRU 1835 DUR 0835 A332
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JJ 9386 11/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332
JJ 9387 12/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332

JJ 9384 12/jun/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0835 A332
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JJ 9382 13/jun/10 GRU 1630 CPT 0520 A332
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JJ 9386 13/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332
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JJ 9384 14/jun/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0830 A332
JJ 9385 15/jun/10 JNB 1055 GRU 1640 A332

JJ 9388 15/jun/10 GRU 1835 DUR 0835 10:00 CPT 12:30 A332
JJ 9387 16/jun/10 CPT 1400 GRU 1830 A332

JJ 9386 16/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 0845 JNB 11:10 A332
JJ 9385 17/jun/10 JNB 1225 GRU 1755 A332

JJ 9382 17/jun/10 GRU 1630 CPT 0520 A332
JJ 9383 18/jun/10 CPT 0730 GRU 1200 A332

JJ 9380 20/jun/10 GRU 1630 DUR 0650 0830 JNB 0950 A332
JJ 9381 21/jun/10 JNB 1120 GRU 1650 A332

JJ 9386 20/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 0815 DUR 1055 A332
JJ 9389 21/jun/10 DUR 1230 GRU 1820 A332

JJ 9386 21/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 CPT 0825 DUR 1055 A332
JJ 9389 22/jun/10 DUR 1230 GRU 1815 A332

JJ 9384 22/jun/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0840 JNB 1020 CPT 1240 A332
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JJ 9384 23/jun/10 GRU 1835 JNB 0825 A332
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JJ 9388 24/jun/10 GRU 1845 DUR 0850 DUR 1050 JNB 1210 A332
JJ 9385 25/jun/10 JNB 1340 GRU 1910 A332

JJ 9388 25/jun/10 GRU 1845 DUR 0850 A332
JJ 9389 26/jun/10 DUR 1050 GRU 1640 A332

JJ 9386 26/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332
JJ 9387 27/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332

JJ 9382 27/jun/10 GRU 1630 JNB 0620 A332
JJ 9383 28/jun/10 JNB 0815 GRU 1400 A332

JJ 9386 27/jun/10 GRU 1845 CPT 0735 A332
JJ 9387 28/jun/10 CPT 1210 GRU 1640 A332

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JJ 9384 12/jul/10 GRU 1845 JNB 0830 A332
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Also Aerolinas Argentinas flights from EZE:

EXTENDED SCHEDULE INFORMATION 18FEB10-25JAN11 0001-2359
BUENOS AIRES-JOHANNESBURG
EFF DISC MTWTFSS BRD OFF DEP ARR FLIGHT EQU
08JUN10 13JUN10 .2....7 EZE JNB 1700#0645 AR1946 744
18JUN10 18JUN10 ....5.. EZE JNB 1700#0645 AR1946 744
26JUN10 26JUN10 .....6. EZE JNB 1700#0645 AR1946 744
08JUN10 13JUN10 .2....7 EZE JNB 1800#0745 AR1948 744
18JUN10 18JUN10 ....5.. EZE JNB 1800#0745 AR1948 744
23JUN10 23JUN10 ..3.... EZE JNB 1800#0745 AR1946 744
14JUN10 19JUN10 1....6. EZE JNB 2200#1145 AR1946 744
24JUN10 24JUN10 ...4... EZE JNB 2200#1145 AR1946 744
14JUN10 19JUN10 1....6. EZE JNB 2300#1245 AR1948 744
24JUN10 24JUN10 ...4... EZE JNB 2300#1245 AR1948 744
EXTENDED SCHEDULE INFORMATION 18FEB10-25JAN11 0001-2359
JOHANNESBURG-BUENOS AIRES
EFF DISC MTWTFSS BRD OFF DEP ARR FLIGHT EQU
09JUN10 14JUN10 1.3.... JNB EZE 0940 1530 AR1947 744
19JUN10 19JUN10 .....6. JNB EZE 0940 1530 AR1947 744
09JUN10 14JUN10 1.3.... JNB EZE 1030 1620 AR1949 744
19JUN10 19JUN10 .....6. JNB EZE 1030 1620 AR1949 744
24JUN10 27JUN10 ...4..7 JNB EZE 1030 1620 AR1947 744
15JUN10 20JUN10 .2....7 JNB EZE 1430 2020 AR1947 744
25JUN10 25JUN10 ....5.. JNB EZE 1430 2020 AR1947 744
15JUN10 20JUN10 .2....7 JNB EZE 1530 2120 AR1949 744
25JUN10 25JUN10 ....5.. JNB EZE 1530 2120 AR1949 744
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Wowsers....that is about 45 flights @400 per flight =18,000 people and if each one spends $1,000 in SA that is $18,000,000
The cost of he new stadiums and refurbishing the old ones , according to F2010 website is:
$2,222,000,000.

It's not as simple as that and we shall never know the reality. The gvt will massage the figures.
People I know have been telephoned today to ask them please if they would like to come to Kruger Park in June/July. They had been told no chance at all. The bookings are not coming in from overseas. Anyway, these people will not go now. They have no wish to be even in the same game park as football fans, always seen as drunk and not friendly to ecology. Who would want to holiday anywhere near them? Local tourism will possibly be dead in June July.
South African tourist industry has made a mistake in judging the English and the Germans. You see, these people will not come in great numbers if they know that this is rip off tourist South Africa. If South Africa later tries to lower the prices at the last moment, these people will not change their decision not to come. They will say 'hard lines, rip off artist hotels and airlines, go suffer!'


South Africa's projected bill for hosting the 2010 World Cup has ballooned to over four times the original cost.
Figures released by the organising committee on Wednesday put the total cost at US$1.59 billion, far in excess of the original estimate of US$295m.

This is from the BBC dated October 18th, 2006! That makes the real cost of the stadiums just about eight times the original estimate. That is a little bit of a bad budget hole.

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Kruger Park etc

What 'Hammer' says sounds true. Read that a particular company had the 'rights'to booking 3 or 4 of the main camps in the Park during June/July with ordinary South Africans not allowed to book in the Park during this period. What a joke-turns out they`ve had 29 bookings for all 3 or 4 of these camps! Clowns. I still maintain this is going to be a huge let-down and i`m sure people involved in Olympics and other large events are watching this farce and thinking 'never again,never again'.This whole thing was political,probably along the lines of 'let Africa have it and lets get it over with so we can go back to letting properly-organised countries` host arguably the worlds premier sports event'. I think any airline or charter company that gets exess aircraft in for this period is going to burn their fingers....
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