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Bythemail
Bythemail...I appreciate your reply, that makes total sense and I do realize that the funds could be spent in a million different ways that could benefit the South African people but the wheels have been set into motion and I think all this negativity around will not help matters. I realize this is not an ideal situation but we should try to make the best of it.
As for me, Im only 20, and have only lived four years of my life in Africa, Malawi in particular as my info reads; but I am there enough to know what is happening. |
Some advice for anyone daft enough to be going to SA for this non-event.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7593647/Crash_course.pdf |
It is amusing - yes?- to read of all the tourists who will be coming to SA and eating themselves silly at vast prices at the restaurants etc while they are there. I wonder though how many of the tables the tourists will be filling would usually be taken by South Africans who will not be eating at restaurants in SA venues over the WC month but will instead be enjoying warm Europe weather and eating outside in the safe and balmy atmospheres found (usually) there in summer time.
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I do know that many of my friends are, like myself, staying well away from South Africa until it is over. Some of them tried to rent out their homes and had no takers. It was interesting to see how all the hyped-up nonsense about 'shortage of accommodation' led all the greedy sods to rack up the prices, and now they have been left with a massive over supply. The airlines also got caught out in the same way.
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Five days to go, this is just the build up:
Fans hurt in SWC stampede: Sport: Sport: 2010 World Cup: National News Cop killed near soccer base camp: News24: South Africa: News |
Chile's national football team arrived today to Nelspruit, the flight was a Charter flight direct From Santiago (SCEL) to Nelspruit (FAKN). The flight was chartered by LAN on board a B767.
4 days left ! |
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From the B.B.C.
The incidents have provided the wrong sort of build-up to the World Cup that the South African authorities would have wanted BBC Sport's Piers Edwards |
For anyone interested in this thing ... this is a really fantastic planner ....
Mundial 2010 en MARCA.com |
Keep 'em coming
This time it's the Chinese journalist's turn, a couple of hours after arriving in South Africa, in broad daylight, at gun point.
Chinese robbed, arrests made in separate robbery | Reuters |
Lets put politics aside,let the games begin................Good luck Africa,All the best RSA,so far so good!!!!!!!!
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Once again seper is missing the point.
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Once again seper is missing the point. |
BYAIRMAIL
I Assure you i haven't missed the point,i have just moved on.Dwelling on what the funds could have better be used for wont serve any purpose now. Football is strong world politics,not cricket,not ever rugby now and in the infinite future,not tennis,not swimming,only football draws that crowd,and it rules the whole world,more poor than rich,it is the only sport that binds all poor and impoverished people in the world,of whom, most football stars had their beginnings. |
Now Robert Mugabe is a guest of honor at the soccer world Cup. Sorry seper I can't move on. I saw in the 1980's what he and his 5 Brigade did to the opposition. So we should forget this and his recent killing of his own people in the name of Soccer. We are still hunting down 95 year old Nazi's, but Mugabe is welcome??
FIFA and the select few i.e. Danny Jordaan, Julius Malama ( yes his construction company's are involved) and side kick's is the only winners. With attitudes like yours I am not surprised Nigeria, a very wealthy country is in the state it is and the the world don't trust it's citizens. Japan today openly admit hosting the World Cup in 2002 was a big mistake. 8 out of the 10 stadiums are losing between $2 to $6 Mil a year, and this is the 2nd largest economy in the world, hosting it during the boom time. And who is picking up the tab??? ... yip the taxpayer!! This big party you embrace will have a hangover for a looooong time, with the taxpayer suffering it, in a country where 5% pay over 90% of the tax. So move on to what, more suffering and non service delivery?? |
They played a lot better than i expected,but still a bit rough on the edges,however the other teams have not been impressive in that group,ie france/Uruguay,so barring any mistakes they should make it to round two.
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Uruguay team robbed at hotel.
Uruguay team robbed at hotel.
Now for a soccer question: Is it normal to say "well done" when the team draw? In rugby you will never hear a supporter say "well done" to a draw. Well done is for a win, if you draw you only get half the points and that could cost you later in the pool games. If I say 'well done" to my team for a draw it mean I had no confidence in them, and that just surviving is good enough. I don't know much about he game but the South African goal looked like a cracker, now that was "well done." |
Letter from Zimbabwe
Dear Family and Friends,
While the eyes of the world are on South Africa as it hosts the 2010 World Cup Football games, we are sitting here next door shivering in the dark and the cold. For the past four months we've been experiencing 16 hour a day power cuts, only having electricity in the middle of the night. All our protestations have been met with assurances that these cuts were to enable vital maintenance which in turn would allow for uninterrupted power during the World Cup Football Games. That has turned out to be a myth. In my home area first we missed the excitement prior to the concert at the Soweto stadium, then we missed the official opening of the World Cup games, then, to top it all off, we missed the first match between South Africa and Mexico. When the electricity did finally come on, after everything was over, we were more concerned about the essentials of life than about football. Essentials like a hot meal - the first for days, washing and ironing, charging telephones and batteries and catching up on the news. With the world's cameras just a few hundred kilomteres away over the border, and the great spectacle of extravagance being unfolded in South Africa, its hard to believe the dark ages events taking place in Zimbabwe. Behind the football smokescreen an MDC MP was arrested and spent days in police custody for giving out donated vitamins, dietary supplements and common aspirin tablets. This comes shortly before the long awaited and very overdue constitutional outreach programme begins, a programme in which this MP has been heavily involved. Also lost in the football smoke is Farai Maguwa, a researcher into human rights violations at the Marange diamond fields who was arrested, denied bail and has remained in custody for the second week. This comes days before Zimbabwe again tries to get Kimberley Process approval to sell diamonds. We wonder if any of the international camera crews might cross the border and report on the new wave of farm seizures in many parts of the country. In the past week 16 commercial farmers who had court orders protecting them have come under renewed eviction attempts. This is happening at a time when the Commercial Farmers Union have said that Zimbabwe is set to record its lowest ever wheat output of about 10 000 tonnes. To put this into context, Zimbabwe used to produce between 250 and 300 thousand tonnes of wheat prior to land invasions. Zimbabwe will will need to import up to 400 thousand tonnes of wheat in the coming year in order to meet national requirements. Finally, the last puff in the smoke cloud obscuring Zimbabwe from international attention, comes the news that our leaders are again to call for mediation to settle outstanding issues in their power sharing agreement. Still no governors, no deputy minister of agriculture, no resolution on unilateral appointments of Reserve Bank Governor and Attorney General. Most people agree that this is all now a waste of time and that we should proceed with a new constitution and elections and stop all this stalling. Until next week, thanks for reading, love cathy. A poke in the eye for the fat smug complacent smirking hypocrites like Peter Hain who helped Zimbabwe achieve 'democracy' and 'freedom'. Well done guys! |
BYAIRMAIL, you have lost all credibility since you started to just make up things.
1) Robert Mugabe was not a "guest of honor" at the opening ceremony. The head of state of all FIFA members are invited to attend. So I don't see how you think people did their utmost to make him welcome. Many heads of state did attend, and will continue to attend the tournament. 2) When did Japan openly admit to making a mistake hosting the World Cup? If it were such a mistake why are they bidding to host it again? They are bidding to host both the 2018 and 2022 event, as are South Korea who they jointly hosted it with in 2002. The big difference between the Japanese/Korean World Cup and our own is that we are using far fewer venues, 20 versus 10. Of those 10, only 5 (call it 6 with Soccer City) are new builds and most will do just fine after the World Cup. The only stadium's with serious concerns going forward are Nelspruit, Polokwane and Port Elizabeth. Cape Town was a concern but will do okay. The 2010 World Cup is already immendly profitable, and has cost less (in real terms) than any recent World Cups. You don't like the World Cup - we all get that. But there is no need to just continuously trash it - it serves no purpose but to make YOU feel better about it all. The large majority of South Africans are loving this World Cup and they think its money well spent. Your statistic about 5% of people paying 90% of tax is blatantly false, but that said, remember that 10% of South Africans earn more than 60% of all income! |
evanb,
so you watch CNN Asia? that's where they had the piece on Japan and the world cup. As far as bidding again, it was not mentioned in the piece, but it might be that the big expenses and infrastructure is already in place, why not try and recover some of the money. I don't know how easy it will be to find the link as it was a 5 minute piece. As far as the tax structure go, it's accurate within +- 3% and that's straight from the S.A. news papers, by south African economists. If I get bored enough soon and try to find both links, might just be a bit embarrassing for you then? I see the spin doctors for FIFA is very busy. The Sunday paper reporting that the hotels reimburse and compensate tourists that report crime, as to keep it out of the stat's. ?Moenie polisie roep,? sê hotel glo: Rapport: Suid-Afrika: Nuus The cases that do get reported by tourists get high priority and is solved in record time according to the article. Yet my friend that was murdered 4 years ago, his case file has not been touched. Head out the sand evan. |
Of those 10, only 5 (call it 6 with Soccer City) are new builds and most will do just fine after the World Cup. The only stadium's with serious concerns going forward are Nelspruit, Polokwane and Port Elizabeth. Cape Town was a concern but will do okay. "The 2010 World Cup is already immendly profitable, and has cost less (in real terms) than any recent World Cups. " Nobody yet knows how much it has cost or how profitable it has been because it isn't even over and final accounts have to be submitted, so your last statement is just hot air and quite unsubstantiated. Just a few quotes from the local press showing what a massive scam and confidence trick this has been, and there's plenty more : Pretoria - With only 58 days left before the 2010 Fifa World Cup, Fifa's accommodation agent Match has dumped another 300 000 bed nights on the market. This means that Match now holds only 600 000 of the 1.9 million bed nights it originally reserved for the World Cup. Sake24 previously reported that Match released 450 000 bed nights, including timeshare units and practically all of the Kruger National Park stock. The industry had hoped that the 900 000 bed nights Match had held on to would be taken up, but Fifa's agent indicated that this would not necessarily be the case. Johannesburg - FIFA's claims in 2009 that host cities were short of about 50 000 beds each for the World Cup tournament were misleading and caused private home owners to waste money on renovations, estate agents said on Tuesday. According to some of the estate agencies responsible for property rentals to foreign visitors during the tournament, only a fraction of the rooms purportedly needed for the promised tourists have been let out. "The perception fed to us by Match and FIFA was totally wrong," said Sherril Baard, founder of 2010 Property Rentals. "We kept being told that every area was 50 000 beds short." According to Baard, only 40% of their properties were rented out to visitors, attained by a realistic pricing strategy. FIFA's accommodation agent, Match, relinquished more than 450 000 of the bed nights it initially reserved for local hotels and guest houses this year. "Initially, I think FIFA created a hype through the expectation that half a million tourists would be coming to SA," said Seeff Properties chairperson Samuel Seeff. "The global financial crisis and the airlines pushing their prices up also frightened people away." According to Seeff, only 10% of properties on the group's books were leased out. "The hype surrounding potential property rentals to rich tourists for the World Cup has left many property owners out of pocket," said TPN MD Michelle Dickens. According to Rivonia property owner Dave Light, the initial hype came from estate agents. "I was approached by an estate agency...that said I could get R14 000 per day for my 12-sleeper house." Three weeks before the start of the World Cup, Light eventually leased his property out to a French security team for R3 500 per day for 56 days. Another estate agency, Street Smart Properties, only secured rental for 10 of the 100 properties on its books, and then not even for the full World Cup period. Baard said last year her agency was inundated with calls from home owners who wanted to make a killing during the tournament. "By the end of 2009, all the people who had done all that footslogging (taking pictures, upgrading their houses, making them beautiful) had been left in the lurch," said Baard. Baard said all 2010 Property Rentals' Johannesburg properties have been let, but none in Cape Town where the agency is based. "People just don't want to fly to Cape Town - it's too far and too expensive. "If we ever get the Olympics we're going to have the same abortion as this," said Baard. Johannesburg - An enormous property project that would have provided 78 500 dwelling units for the World Cup soccer tournament appears to have been a hoax. Katota, a company owned by Ghanaian businessman Joseph Eshun, undertook to buy and complete almost 100 residential developments from developers for nearly R50bn. There are less than two weeks left before the soccer spectacle and not a single Katota project has been completed. And the developers, whose selling activities have come to a halt while they wait for Katota, are still waiting for their money. Several have since been liquidated. Cape Town - It's ridiculous to be asked to pay R599 for an official replica Bafana Bafana shirt: and that's the word from the workers who make it. "From a factory price of about R100, R150 and the final product in the retail stores being sold for R599, we think that's a disservice to South Africans,” SA Clothing and Textile Workers' Union (Sactwu) general secretary Andre Kriel said on Thursday. Johannesburg - "Brand police" will patrol 2010 Soccer World Cup stadiums to make sure the Fifa brand is not hijacked, the world football body said on Thursday. No brand other than Fifa will be allowed in the commercial restriction zones in and around stadiums countrywide. |
Soccer stadiums 'not viable in the long run' - Mail & Guardian Online: The smart news source
Soccer stadiums 'not viable in the long run' JUSTINE GERARDY | PORT ELIZABETH, SOUTH AFRICA - May 23 2010 09:22 The World Cup has brought Port Elizabeth a stunning new landmark in its oceanside stadium, but questions remain about who will fill the stands once the global football fans leave. "In the South African case, all the stadiams were either renovated or constructed by the government. That means that the commercial consideration was never primary," said economist Stan du Plessis of Stellenbosch University. "Some of these stadiums are simply not going to be in a position to cover their running costs. In that sense, they will be loss making." South Africa has poured about R20-billion ($2,6-billion), multiples of the original estimates, into 10 stadiums in nine cities to showcase Africa's first World Cup. White elephant fears often dog major sporting events with Athens 2004 Olympics facilities said to be rusting away amid early rumbles about London 2012. In South Africa's smaller towns like Nelspruit and Polokwane, and distant cities like Port Elizabeth, local officials are already wondering how to keep their new world-class stadiums running. Port Elizabeth's R2-billion, 46 000-seater hopes to lure a top football or rugby team to offset its annual R18-million running costs. "I don't think you can ever get the money back on the stadium," said Stephan Pretorius, chief executive of the stadium's private management firm. Hungry for sport "The stadium is built really for the community. The idea would be that we make the stadium as successful as possible. People here are very hungry for sport and they are very hungry for events and concerts." The building boom shielded South Africa from the global recession, and the tournament is expected to boost the economy by 0,5% this year. But concerns about the stadiums themselves extend even to Cape Town, the priciest pitch at R4,5-billion, in Fifa's preferred location on prime property amid premier tourist sites. A developing country like South Africa did not need new mega-stadiums, argues Andrew Jennings, author of Foul! The Secret World of Fifa: Bribes, Vote-Rigging and Ticket Scandals. "Who is going to pay the bill? South Africa," he said. "It is a saga of greed from Fifa, they don't care about South Africa." "There has been a shameless exploitation of South Africans. They have been left with white elephants, it is now for taxpayers to pay the bill." Durban city manager Mike Sutcliffe has called for an urgent post-tournament look at sustainability, saying all host cities face "huge funding issues". "If I'm battling in a big city, I'd hate to know what my colleagues are doing in Polokwane and Mbombela [Nelspruit]," he recently told lawmakers. Polokwane in undeveloped northern Limpopo -- host to a R1,3-billion stadium with annual bills of up to R17-million -- has already turned to the treasury for more cash. "At the moment we'll need that type of funding to let our programmes run through effectively. We need it now. Unfortunately we can't wait until the end of the World Cup," said the city's 2010 director Ndavhe Ramakuelue. Both Polokwane and Port Elizabeth have shrugged off white elephant labels. But according to Du Plessis, only Durban and Johannesburg's Soccer City have promising chances. Though he stops short at dishing out whites elephant labels. "These stadiums are actually built for something very specific. They will host a great World Cup. So in that respect they are not a white elephant," he said. But "a number of them will simply not be viable in the long run". - AFP |
Sun International.
I have a friend who is a Food and Beverage manager with Sun International. They have been told by FIFA that they are only allowed to promote and push Heineken beer during the world cup.
I am sure Heineken will not put this money back into the local community, a huge chunk will go to FIFA and Sun international as a partner in this monopoly and predatory business deal. Not in the spirit of the world cup or in the interest of the local people...... but rest assure, I will personally keep the Windhoek sales up. |
Beta Light, I think you friend is talking rubbish! Budweiser is the official beer, its the only beer you can get at any FIFA sanctioned event during the games! Heineken has nothing to do with Budweiser!
Capetonian, there are considerable issues around the long run sustainability issues with the stadia, I accept that. However, what I suggested is that we will have fewer issues than other previous hosts since we used fewer stadia and more existing stadia than any recent host! ByAirMail, as an economist I would love to see those links!!! I raise the question about where you get this data since it has been discussed many times amongst economists yet nobody has actually produced any data to support the speculation. That said, it would be natural to think that the large majority of tax is paid by a minority of people since more than 60% of income is earned by less than 10% of South Africans. Fortunately, we live in a democracy and votes are allocated in proportion of income!!! By the way, if you believe everything on CNN you would probably also believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction! Oh you would also believe that not one of the stadia would be ready (they all were months before the World Cup started) amongst many other things! |
Fortunately, we live in a democracy and votes are allocated in proportion of income!!! On another matter, previous World Cups have not been held in one party states where most of the population live below the poverty line, with disease, malnutrition, crime, inadequate security and health facilities, overpopulation and mass illegal immigration. Therefore the money wasted on stadia and peripherals becomes far more critical in the case of South Africa. |
Hi evanb,
You are probable correct that it is Budweiser and not Heineken, I was jet lagged and had a couple of the Namibian ones at the time. The conversation at the time was not so much the brands, but the absolute domination of FIFA during the world cup and if there is any benefit to anyone but FIFA and their selected partners. |
Not to be accused of jumping on the anti bandwagon, but saw lots of footage on the T.V. regarding this and it does make one wonder about the uniting power of the world cup:
Riot police disperse hundreds of protesters outside World Cup stadium after match |
Beta, fair game, however, I am staying at a Sun International property in PE at the moment and there is no Budweiser here ... but anyway!
Capetonian, yes, previous world cups have been held in Brazil, Argentina and Mexico, and the next one is in Brazil again ... |
Capetonian, yes, previous world cups have been held in Brazil, Argentina and Mexico, and the next one is in Brazil again ... You haven't answered the question I asked you at 0736. Are you running out of steam? |
You didn't ask a question, but as I was indicating, several countries with similar social and economic problems have hosted world cups before. One of these countries is about to host it for the second time.
Sure the issue of how to allocate monetary resources is a legitimate debate. However, the last time I checked we don't live in a one party state. Its a democracy and the large majority of citizens would rather that money be spent on the world cup. Surely if they didn't want this they would vote out the government? Or are you suggesting that our elections are a sham? |
I asked you to explain your statement: Fortunately, we live in a democracy and votes are allocated in proportion of income!!! I'm waiting.
However, the last time I checked we don't live in a one party state. Are you seriously suggesting that there will ever be another ruling party than the ANC? The elections have been a charade. Its a democracy and the large majority of citizens would rather that money be spent on the world cup. Can I take it that you have personally polled a sufficient number of them to validate this sweeping statement. That you have said to them : "Would you like to live safely and with better security and health services, education and job prospects for your children, or would you rather that South Africa hosted a World Cup which you will probably not be able to afford to attend anyway? Surely if they didn't want this they would vote out the government? Or are you suggesting that our elections are a sham? And how would they do that? By not voting ANC? And then? Who are you trying to fool? Can I have some of whatever you've been drinking or smoking please, it seems to induce a feeling of euphoria. And do you really think that Argentina, Mexico, and Brasil are valid comparisions with South Africa? |
I asked you to explain your statement: Fortunately, we live in a democracy and votes are allocated in proportion of income!!! I'm waiting. Typo, it should have said arn't allocated in proportion of income, sorry!
However, the last time I checked we don't live in a one party state. Are you seriously suggesting that there will ever be another ruling party than the ANC? The elections have been a charade. Just because another party might not win an election it doesn't mean we live in a one party state. And yes, I am suggesting that at some point in the future someone other than the ANC might be in power, not anytime soon but its certainly possible. On what grounds are the elections a charade? Its a democracy and the large majority of citizens would rather that money be spent on the world cup. Can I take it that you have personally polled a sufficient number of them to validate this sweeping statement. That you have said to them : "Would you like to live safely and with better security and health services, education and job prospects for your children, or would you rather that South Africa hosted a World Cup which you will probably not be able to afford to attend anyway? Yes, I work in a market research firm that does polling and we have been doing this for a long time and there is a lot of support for the world cup. Surely if they didn't want this they would vote out the government? Or are you suggesting that our elections are a sham? And how would they do that? By not voting ANC? And then? By voting for another party ... that is what elections are about. Who are you trying to fool? Can I have some of whatever you've been drinking or smoking please, it seems to induce a feeling of euphoria. And do you really think that Argentina, Mexico, and Brasil are valid comparisions with South Africa? I lived in Brazil for 8 years ... its a country that shares remarkable similarities to South Africa. It has large scale poverty and inequalities of income. A strange history of race relations. Massive crime, etc. |
evanb
I did a "lite" search on Google and this was the first to come up. It is not close to the original program, about a 5 minute insert during a program on CNN about the W.C. It was either on Thursday or Friday, approx. 15:00 Bangkok time on C.N.N. in Asia.
If all else fail I'll e-mail CNN and ask them for a link. I'll P.M. you with a copy of the e-mail to them. In the mean time, from a "lite" search on google asia: World Cup in 2002, Money and David Beckham It was hoped that the World Cup would be a boost to local economies. That didn’t happen. Some businesses had less business than usual during the event. Hotels that were expected to reap big profits had to cut prices because of last minute cancellation caused by foreign travel companies that were unable to convince soccer fans in their countries to spend the money to go to an expensive Japan. More than $4.5 billion was spent to build 10 new stadiums, many of them in small cities in the middle of nowhere. After the World Cup was over many of the stadiums had difficulty finding tenants and resorted to hosting weddings, flea markets and youth soccer tournaments and even selling turf said to have been walked on by Beckham, earning only a fraction of the millions of dollars needed just to cover annual maintenance costs. Some stadiums were designed only for soccer so they couldn’t be used for baseball games or concerts. The town of Toyota spent $40 million on a new stadium that wasn’t even used on the World Cup. The lost money was covered by tax payers and long-term government bonds. It was also hoped that World Cup would generate more long term interest and money for local soccer leagues. That didn’t happen either. While television revenues rose, gate receipts actually went down. The only person to make out really well was David Beckham. He was paid millions of dollars for endorsements for products including cell phones, chocolate-covered almonds, beauty products and used cars. When he returned to Japan a year after the World Cup was over and was received like a rock star. On television I once saw four Beckham commercials in a row, each for a different product. He reportedly made $3.6 million from TBC (Tokyo Beauty Center) ads alone. On his appeal, one Japanese female fan said, “I devote my whole life to Beckham” and said Japanese women like him so much because he is “so caring and kind.” from: SOCCER IN JAPAN - Japan | Facts and Details |
And do you really think that Argentina, Mexico, and Brasil are valid comparisions with South Africa? Yes. For example Mexico 1986 (when they held WC) had less total GDP and GDP per capit than SA today. The country was run by "Institutional Revolution Party" for the last 60 or so years. Technically socialist party but practically a cleptocratic party. And they attacked brutally whoever theatened their power. Mexico had recently defaulted its loans. Violent, drug-trafficing related crime was not *yet* an big issue it is in mexico today, but the corrupt police force was already happy to turn a blind eye if shared part of drug profits. Mexico city was the most polluted city of the time. Large parts of rural Mexico were effectively lawless, hijackings on road were and still are common. Some areas of mexico have gone down a lot since, with a low-intensity civil war in chiapas today. Just a month ago some western aid workers were killed in ambush by pro-goverment militia. Unlike the gaza ship thing that incident went completly ignored by global press..Mexicans may not have vuvuzelas but mariachis get damn close in noise level :} During 1978 world cup, Argentina was run by dictator who got in power via coup, Jorge Videla. He is still wanted, among other human rights violations, for the 10000-30000 people he made "disappear" during his regime. And don't get me started with history of Brazil and it's favelas... Try watching "Cidade de Deus" some day. I'm sure you'd rather choose living in Gugulethu over any Rio Favela. Yeah, we got it already, SA is no (west!) europe, but anyone claiming that SA is the only country with big social problems to have organized WC is either being ignorant of recent history or racist. It isn't even the only country to waste lots of money in making a big sports event - recent greece olympics comes into the mind.. Reading this and the other "SA sucks!" threads here I think SA takes the title of "Only country full of whiners to organize WC" :} |
Just because another party might not win an election it doesn't mean we live in a one party state. And yes, I am suggesting that at some point in the future someone other than the ANC might be in power, not anytime soon but its certainly possible. On what grounds are the elections a charade? Yes, I work in a market research firm that does polling and we have been doing this for a long time and there is a lot of support for the world cup. The disparity of living standards between the Latin American countries you refer to and South Africa is not on the same scale. There are some valid similarities but the comparison does not stand up to scrutiny, as you would know if you've really lived in South Africa. Nothing you have said has the ring of truth or real knowledge of the situation. but anyone claiming that SA is the only country with big social problems to have organized WC is either being ignorant of recent history or racist. |
keitaidenwa
Once again I am with Capetonian on this one. I worked in Chilli, South America, for an extended period of time. This took me around South America, including Brazil over night's. With Brazil and other South American country's there is no surprises. What you see is what you get.
My grype with 2010 was the promises we made and the promises made to us. I think when the FIFA members vote they were hoping that they giving a developing country a chance. Our wonderful Statesman Madiba did his magic, and we got the 2010 W.C. We promised FIFA and the World first world standards and huge development to the country's poorest. As Madiba got older and Mbeki showed his incompetence I changed my mind from being pro World Cup to having reservations. Then came a president that had his hand so deep in the weapon procurement cookie jar, and got away on a technicality, and by the way, he is so happy that his H.I.V. test is negative!! I then realize the W.C. is not what we need. We have bigger issues to deal with. In between Julius M reared his head, and is now temporarily gagged, but he'll be back. Brazil and South America never pretend. We all know their short comings and they admit to it. FIFA knew who and what they were getting into with South America. But this time they betted on Madiba and an Invictus moment, what they got is a nightmare for there spin doctorsand P.R. department. What will we get? Long term debt. |
Beta, I agree with a lot what you said in your last post. I am just not convinced that we promised FIFA much in the way of development. We promised that they would make money out of it and there is little doubt that they have made a fortune. I think that my abrasiveness on this is that the world media, including South Africa, spent nearly 10 years talking about failure and how it won't happen, i.e. the stadia won't be ready, the infrastructure won't be ready, that FIFA will move it to Australia, that everyone who comes will be raped and murdered. Now when almost none of this has materialised they have moved on to it costs too much, that the money was better spent elsewhere, that the stadia and infrastructure are all white elephants, etc. The British media love bashing South Africa - they have done it since the 31 May 1961. When Sky News run out of negativity they start with the Vuvuzela!!! The fact of the matter is that South Africa has pulled it off, the World Cup has started, and so far been a success in many ways and has cost significantly less than it would have cost elsewhere in the world. Lets leave the speculation about the future for a while and enjoy it while it lasts. If they knock down one of the stadia in a few years because it is not being used and costs too much I will happily eat my words then, the same for the genuine improvements in infrastructure, particularly transport ... but why can't you let people enjoy it!
I am off to watch Portugal versus the Ivory Coast - later! |
Good luck with Pres Blatter
SA pilots go to court: Sport: Sport: 2010 World Cup: National News
Just read this on News 24, good luck with Pres Blatter |
evanb : It's not over yet. Even if nothing goes wrong - and I hope that will continue to be the case - there will be massive costs to cover, and other long term negative effects.
Let's review this when it's over, and then again in say 5 years time. |
Reasonably safe so for exept for the odd burglary. But then we would not know as the police don't release crime fgures and hotels encourage guests to have crime investigated in house.
On check in our crew and passengers are warned not to venture anywhere before checking with hotel staff, hotels provide transport to safe areas, and spectators prefer to stick to known safe areas with lots of other people around e.g Sandton Square. |
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