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Up above posting regarding the Pendulum. You folks cant in your wildest dreams believe that the new guys would not rob the piggy bank just to get even.....After so many years of not having any say.
Problem is they are having so much fun its gonna be some time before it even slows down. So if its twenty years or so most here looking for a job had better have found another career.
Time is what young pilots dont have a lot of.........
Problem is they are having so much fun its gonna be some time before it even slows down. So if its twenty years or so most here looking for a job had better have found another career.
Time is what young pilots dont have a lot of.........
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I think that B Sousa is right. We must recall that we are not just talking about 50 years of the Nats but the 300 odd years before that. I think that 25 years is the minimum before the pendulum will start to slow down (taken from '94).
Attitudes have to be bred out and new ones bred in - to all folks. During my last trip south, a relative of mine commented that he used to speak the wrong language (English, not Afrikaans) now his skin is the wrong colour. True but it is the way it is and Affirmative Action is set to continue for a whole score of reasons.
Will South Africa decline in the way that AfricanSkies puts forward? Personnally, I cannot see how it could do anything else. This is Africa and that is what Africa does to itself. Perhaps in another 100 years it will be different but the example of the last 100 years says it will not.
I used to think that the country could be the powerhouse of Africa that we all hoped when '94 happened. Now - I don't think so. For those of us that have lived through the change it is particularly painful but in another 25/50 years? They will say that it has always been 'this' way.
Attitudes have to be bred out and new ones bred in - to all folks. During my last trip south, a relative of mine commented that he used to speak the wrong language (English, not Afrikaans) now his skin is the wrong colour. True but it is the way it is and Affirmative Action is set to continue for a whole score of reasons.
Will South Africa decline in the way that AfricanSkies puts forward? Personnally, I cannot see how it could do anything else. This is Africa and that is what Africa does to itself. Perhaps in another 100 years it will be different but the example of the last 100 years says it will not.
I used to think that the country could be the powerhouse of Africa that we all hoped when '94 happened. Now - I don't think so. For those of us that have lived through the change it is particularly painful but in another 25/50 years? They will say that it has always been 'this' way.
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...'if you received free flying training through the SAAF in years gone by..."
Just to set the record sraight, training in the SAAF was not for FREE. Unlike aspirant civilain pilots who can resit exams and take flight tests as many times as it takes (or they can afford) to pass, opportunities to continue a military pilot's course after failure were few. Further, pilots were (and probably still are) bound by a legal contract which was paid off by remaining in service for a certain number of years (much like a training bond in some airlines). Should the pilot decide to leave the SAAF before that time he would have to buy himself out!
I have no problem with people of any race or creed performing a job as long as they DESERVE the appointment to that postion, affirmative action is a load of bollocks and is driving a great country into the ground! To accept it is to fail.
Just to set the record sraight, training in the SAAF was not for FREE. Unlike aspirant civilain pilots who can resit exams and take flight tests as many times as it takes (or they can afford) to pass, opportunities to continue a military pilot's course after failure were few. Further, pilots were (and probably still are) bound by a legal contract which was paid off by remaining in service for a certain number of years (much like a training bond in some airlines). Should the pilot decide to leave the SAAF before that time he would have to buy himself out!
I have no problem with people of any race or creed performing a job as long as they DESERVE the appointment to that postion, affirmative action is a load of bollocks and is driving a great country into the ground! To accept it is to fail.
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Dangers of Affirmative Action
In addition to all the views and sentiments of previous posts, one thing must also be taken into account. Any black or coloured pilots will always bear the burden of being the beneficiaries of Affirmative Action and always having to answer the charge that their colour or their sex got them where they are.
There are many black and coloured elite sportsmen and women who are representing SA as of right - they are the best. The United Cricket Board acknowledged the credibilty problem that quotas produced and has dropped the policy much to the dismay of the ANC (particularly the Youth League - breeds confidence for the country's future
). Continuing the analogy of the top players today they are where they are not through quota's but if they are the beneficiary of any policy it is the development program which was organised by the sport itself not from central government. Providing opportunity where previosuly there has been none is laudable and necessary but filling any professional position in any organisation based on race or sex as opposed to merit is wrong.
There are many black and coloured elite sportsmen and women who are representing SA as of right - they are the best. The United Cricket Board acknowledged the credibilty problem that quotas produced and has dropped the policy much to the dismay of the ANC (particularly the Youth League - breeds confidence for the country's future
). Continuing the analogy of the top players today they are where they are not through quota's but if they are the beneficiary of any policy it is the development program which was organised by the sport itself not from central government. Providing opportunity where previosuly there has been none is laudable and necessary but filling any professional position in any organisation based on race or sex as opposed to merit is wrong.
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Supatiger,
You must eat your weetbix bru and stop smoking them. 
I wouldn't touch them with a broken broomstick over a f
d telephone line.
Everyone wants to work for spoories
I wouldn't touch them with a broken broomstick over a fd telephone line.
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LINUXGAL
How are you doing?
What distro are you running?
Please send my regards to Jo down in Cape Town. Motherhood.....mmmm and flying now theres a thing.
All the best.
hb4g
What distro are you running?
Please send my regards to Jo down in Cape Town. Motherhood.....mmmm and flying now theres a thing.
All the best.
hb4g
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I certain, very capable, young airline pilot (non AA candidate) has been invited by the great Ivory Tower to go for a "simulator checkride". Only has done interview, round one. He received the phonecall a few days back. This is not rumour but facts....now what is SAA up too 
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keeping a balance
I have to admit that affirmative action as a policy is wrong in its definition because uses the word 'colour'.We live in the 21st century and the word 'colour' should be used only for things,not for people as people have no 'colour'.The result of affirmative action in a lot of companies might seem beneficial for some people but if affirmative action did not exist, it would be a lot more beneficial for some other people.Look at all the charter companies in Lanseria for example,do you see a lot of 'black 'people taking jobs?Look at all the other southafrican companies that operate out of South Africa and are operated by these 'afrikaans',do you see many black people working for those companies?That's why affirmative action exists,to keep a balance,I don't personally see anything wrong with that.
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The charter companies at Lanseria run by those "afrikaans" folks are probably not forced by the government to take the person of colour rather than the pale version because they recruit pilots who already have a licence and not train cadetts from scratch.
Companies where the government holds shares in(ie. parastatels) have no such choice and they have to pay the extra cost of training somebody, otherwise the intake in staff of colour would be too low. I would personally take the best man/woman for the job regardless of colour, but based on achievements and school reports if no other achievements available. This would seem fair to me, and probably cheaper too, giving me the best possible candidate for the job.
Companies where the government holds shares in(ie. parastatels) have no such choice and they have to pay the extra cost of training somebody, otherwise the intake in staff of colour would be too low. I would personally take the best man/woman for the job regardless of colour, but based on achievements and school reports if no other achievements available. This would seem fair to me, and probably cheaper too, giving me the best possible candidate for the job.
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Rossair at Lanseria....
...are also playing the spoories game by taking their cadets on as crew. This leads to less jobs available for those of us who did it the hard way.
Blueliker, when you have to sit and wait out a jobless period with the qualifications needed to enter the company while a less skilled/qualified individual is handed the job on a plate because of his/her skin colour, that's just plain racism. I can see your next argument being that it's what was done in the past. Well, the answer to that is that two wrongs do NOT make a right and that the whole hair pulling excercise was supposed to rid South Africa of discrimination based on race, gender, age and a multitude of other factors.
AA is wrong!
Blueliker, when you have to sit and wait out a jobless period with the qualifications needed to enter the company while a less skilled/qualified individual is handed the job on a plate because of his/her skin colour, that's just plain racism. I can see your next argument being that it's what was done in the past. Well, the answer to that is that two wrongs do NOT make a right and that the whole hair pulling excercise was supposed to rid South Africa of discrimination based on race, gender, age and a multitude of other factors.
AA is wrong!
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No rumour, the new recruitment policy requires a sim check of all shortlist pilots. Also, AA is taken into account during interview stage, but I have been told that the Simcheck is a pass/fail item, with no discussion entered into.
No, I don't know which sim it is, just that the sim checkers are very senior (i.e. close to retirement) to minimise any potential "indue influence"
It may not be perfect, but at least they are trying to be fair.
No, I don't know which sim it is, just that the sim checkers are very senior (i.e. close to retirement) to minimise any potential "indue influence"
It may not be perfect, but at least they are trying to be fair.
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Dont see any problem in doing sim rides as a selection criteria - it's been done for years at Comair. You are not rated as a qualified pilot on type, merely checking basic flying skills and scans. The flight is obviously done with a qualified skipper in the left seat who will do all the specialized (spelling) stuff.
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Check ride
I was not aware this was an SAA requirement, but so what? Many international airlines do the same thing. It is not a question of being able to fly the sim (737,747, A340) perfectly, but displaying a suitable amount of airmanship. Show them you can do it and you are away!
