Dana Air Passenger plane 'crashes into building in Lagos'
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Dana Air Passenger plane 'crashes into building in Lagos'
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Plane crash in the of Lagos state. NigerianEye: BREAKING NEWS: Plane Crash in Iju-Ishaga, Lagos, 153 people feared dead.
from Abuja to Lagos MD83 crashed just a few miles from Lagos Int Airport.The aircraft crashed in two story building.Damn.
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Police said they had recovered the plane's voice recorder. Al Jazeera reported from Abuja that witnesses said the the plane may have hit a power line in clear and sunny weather.
World News - 153 people feared dead in Nigerian plane crash
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Heard them on the radio reporting issues with hydraulics n asking for a longer runway. Captain was American FO was Indian and engineer that released the aircraft was Indonesian. 163 dead n counting.....
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I`ll never understand why Dana in all their Local Nigerian adverts for their flights and routing etc used pics of a B737-NG in Dana Livery. Their website also has a big pic of a B737-NG presented on their homepage and all other pages.
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They have never owned/operated B737-NG so why would you do that unless you intended to try and mislead people into making bookings thinking the aircraft pictured in the adverts or website would be the variants Dana owned/operated and which you`d be traveling on. This shows they were openly trying to hide the fact they operate aging aircraft and dont want to advertise pics of the actual fleet/variant they fly.
There is no other airline in the world who pictures in such a pronounced fashion as boldly as Dana do pics of aircraft in their Livery they dont own or operate.
Very strange.
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They have never owned/operated B737-NG so why would you do that unless you intended to try and mislead people into making bookings thinking the aircraft pictured in the adverts or website would be the variants Dana owned/operated and which you`d be traveling on. This shows they were openly trying to hide the fact they operate aging aircraft and dont want to advertise pics of the actual fleet/variant they fly.
There is no other airline in the world who pictures in such a pronounced fashion as boldly as Dana do pics of aircraft in their Livery they dont own or operate.
Very strange.
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Indeed, they've been using the 737NG image since 2008, and surely for marketing purposes as you said. However it wouldn't surprise me if the 737NG plan was called for in the Business Plan but since the financial turmoil started in 2008 they ditched the plan and chose to keep the image, again for marketing and promotion purposes.
In any case, it is deceitful, unprofessional, and atypical for any civilized company.
To add insult to injury, they've been sporting around the photo at the Dana Crash press release hall.....Right behind the crying Jacky Hitharamani
In any case, it is deceitful, unprofessional, and atypical for any civilized company.
To add insult to injury, they've been sporting around the photo at the Dana Crash press release hall.....Right behind the crying Jacky Hitharamani
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Since the accident it has become fashionable to complain about ageing airplanes.
Delta still fly their DC9's and they aren't falling out of the skies
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Delta still fly their DC9's and they aren't falling out of the skies
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Hathiramani: tears in Lagos
At least Hathiramani hasn't tried to run away.
As Vicar of Bray pointed out in the Air Nigeria pilots' thread, in this country, money talks: if he chose to run, his multi-billion Naira investments would be safe, no question.
On the other hand, that he hasn't may indicate faith that big shots are beyond the law in Nigeria, at least in the vast majority of cases.
I'm doing my best to not pre-judge him. But I am disturbed by persistent allegations that Dana's tradition of ferrying the jet in question to Lagos for repairs was flouted once too often, and that this time, nemesis caught up with the wrong people.
These allegations, by Dana staff, if true, expose the underbelly of commercial aviation in this country: that we are cutting corners in order to make money (or is it stay afloat? Pls tell that to Mr Jonathan). And that in the process, a few bad people are shedding the blood of the innocent
As Vicar of Bray pointed out in the Air Nigeria pilots' thread, in this country, money talks: if he chose to run, his multi-billion Naira investments would be safe, no question.
On the other hand, that he hasn't may indicate faith that big shots are beyond the law in Nigeria, at least in the vast majority of cases.
I'm doing my best to not pre-judge him. But I am disturbed by persistent allegations that Dana's tradition of ferrying the jet in question to Lagos for repairs was flouted once too often, and that this time, nemesis caught up with the wrong people.
These allegations, by Dana staff, if true, expose the underbelly of commercial aviation in this country: that we are cutting corners in order to make money (or is it stay afloat? Pls tell that to Mr Jonathan). And that in the process, a few bad people are shedding the blood of the innocent
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@ ediks: Delta's aging DC-9s
The question of age reflects hypocrisy on the part of virtually all the parties: TRAVELERS, who, in this country, are relatively well off and arguably should know that age's got nothing to do with it; GOVERNMENT, who, subtly, have found an escape route out of their incompetence and criminal culpability; GOVERNMENT again, who should educate the larger public, but are instead, feeding on its fears; THE PUBLIC, who, with typical Nigerian aplomb, are experts in a field they really should learn more about; and of course you-know-who: we're not about to understand that human lives are too precious to toy with, not with the lure of just one, only one, just one more full house before trotting out the techs to do their work...
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Can't argue with any of your points. I feel though we have a responsibility to educate our friends and members of our families as some of the misdirected cries for change are becoming really shrill and strident.
The amount of ignorance and misinformation that is out there is surprising in some cases. This accident has generated a lot of instant experts certain in their assumption that corruption and incompetence are rife at every level in Aviation in Nigeria.
The age of an airplane has less to do with it's airworthiness than the maintenance it receives.
Yet..........The public are not aware (luckily) that having two guys at the pointy end who haven't been paid promptly for the services they render and thus thinking about bread can result in a perfectly serviceable airplane becoming a smoking hole in the ground!!
Can't argue with any of your points. I feel though we have a responsibility to educate our friends and members of our families as some of the misdirected cries for change are becoming really shrill and strident.
The amount of ignorance and misinformation that is out there is surprising in some cases. This accident has generated a lot of instant experts certain in their assumption that corruption and incompetence are rife at every level in Aviation in Nigeria.
The age of an airplane has less to do with it's airworthiness than the maintenance it receives.
Yet..........The public are not aware (luckily) that having two guys at the pointy end who haven't been paid promptly for the services they render and thus thinking about bread can result in a perfectly serviceable airplane becoming a smoking hole in the ground!!
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ediks,
What are you going to educate your friends and family with? That flying in Nigeria is perfectly safe and honest, or that yes, there is corruption and incompetance extant in one form or another at vitually all levels?
As for the public and their lack of awareness of the subtleties of CRM, I think you would be better off beating your head against a wall as the pain will end a lot sooner if you stopped.
CRM/HFIM are subtleties that even management have a tenuous grasp of, let alone Joe Public.
What are you going to educate your friends and family with? That flying in Nigeria is perfectly safe and honest, or that yes, there is corruption and incompetance extant in one form or another at vitually all levels?
As for the public and their lack of awareness of the subtleties of CRM, I think you would be better off beating your head against a wall as the pain will end a lot sooner if you stopped.
CRM/HFIM are subtleties that even management have a tenuous grasp of, let alone Joe Public.
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Unstable Load,
I'm not sure that I'm totally CRM compliant either
However, there is a trend occurring where people to think that older airplanes are unsafe, newer ones are better and pilots are risk taking devils who play with their passenger's lives by accepting to fly airplanes that are death traps
In our own little corner, we tried our best to ensure that our aircraft had a more than reasonable chance of making it back when they departed and so if I can share what I experienced with them I may be able to educate them a little bit about how things work.
As an example yesterday there was news making the rounds that an Arik airplane didn't have the air conditioning working because one engine had failed and the pilot was going to depart with only the good engine working.
You have to smile when you hear such but it doesn't stop the news from spreading at the speed of light!
I'm not sure that I'm totally CRM compliant either
However, there is a trend occurring where people to think that older airplanes are unsafe, newer ones are better and pilots are risk taking devils who play with their passenger's lives by accepting to fly airplanes that are death traps
In our own little corner, we tried our best to ensure that our aircraft had a more than reasonable chance of making it back when they departed and so if I can share what I experienced with them I may be able to educate them a little bit about how things work.
As an example yesterday there was news making the rounds that an Arik airplane didn't have the air conditioning working because one engine had failed and the pilot was going to depart with only the good engine working.
You have to smile when you hear such but it doesn't stop the news from spreading at the speed of light!
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Fair enough, sir. 
Your bit about the Arik single engine departure reminds me of the Chanchangi 727 lined up at PH with the middle engine barking and coughing as they spooled it up to depart, and then pulling it back until it stopped was considered acceptable...
Your bit about the Arik single engine departure reminds me of the Chanchangi 727 lined up at PH with the middle engine barking and coughing as they spooled it up to depart, and then pulling it back until it stopped was considered acceptable...
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Funny you should mention that, I always used to wonder what would happen if they lost an engine when I saw them skimming the rooftops over Isolo after departing off 19L as it was called in those days.
Just glad we never got to find out!
Just glad we never got to find out!
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Has anyone else wondered that Captain Waxtan joined Dana on March 26 but was already flying as PIC barely 3 months later?
Am I the only one who considers that to be relatively quick ??
Am I the only one who considers that to be relatively quick ??
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Has anyone else wondered that Captain Waxtan joined Dana on March 26 but was already flying as PIC barely 3 months later?
Am I the only one who considers that to be relatively quick ??
Am I the only one who considers that to be relatively quick ??
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I understand that Sir, but it all seems a bit.....quick??
I thought the NCAA are supposed to have stopped issuing validations based on foreign licences so he'd have required a Nigerian Licence which involved sitting for the air law exam, the MD-83 type technical, processing his Licence (ie waiting for the NCAA to issue it, not exactly a speedy process) then doing the number of required sectors during line training before being checked out during his line check.
Even though he was a very experienced pilot with loads of time on the MD-83 how much time did he have in Nigeria? I'm assuming (not a good thing to do I know) that this was the first time he'd flown in Nigeria and so it would have been good practice to pair him with someone who understood the environment well and could serve as an experienced copilot.
What do we know about the gentleman he was flying with that day? How long had he been in Nigeria??
Did the two of them together constitute an "experienced" crew in Nigerian airspace and more importantly within the Dana operational framework?
I thought the NCAA are supposed to have stopped issuing validations based on foreign licences so he'd have required a Nigerian Licence which involved sitting for the air law exam, the MD-83 type technical, processing his Licence (ie waiting for the NCAA to issue it, not exactly a speedy process) then doing the number of required sectors during line training before being checked out during his line check.
Even though he was a very experienced pilot with loads of time on the MD-83 how much time did he have in Nigeria? I'm assuming (not a good thing to do I know) that this was the first time he'd flown in Nigeria and so it would have been good practice to pair him with someone who understood the environment well and could serve as an experienced copilot.
What do we know about the gentleman he was flying with that day? How long had he been in Nigeria??
Did the two of them together constitute an "experienced" crew in Nigerian airspace and more importantly within the Dana operational framework?
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Rumours
Dana's spokesman had to debunk the rumour that the pilot tried to jump out of the aircraft.
One paper understood CVR as meaning 'culprit voice recorder'.
At least, the airline provides regular updates: DANA AIRLINES
One paper understood CVR as meaning 'culprit voice recorder'.
At least, the airline provides regular updates: DANA AIRLINES
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