C210 crash at Wlotzka Baken, Namibia
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Oh man, notgood news
I always hate hearing about such things... but it does remind me of way back when I was shore casting not far from Cape Cross and the German military transport (some Russian TU- if I remember correctly) and a US hercules collided...Sept `97... the beach strech was crawling in Orynx Helos looking for wrekage.... tragic.... but the rumor I later heard was that the US was sneaking a peak at the Germans and got a little too close!
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All sefofane Namibia airplanes are fitted with INDIGOSAT system that provides real time satellite tracking. Any sudden change in altitude or G forces should be recorded in the system, according to the the General Manager atleast.
Just the fact that someone watching should have kept the pilot from trying out anything stupid with the airplane.
Just the fact that someone watching should have kept the pilot from trying out anything stupid with the airplane.
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Arabian Mustang, not necessarily. 
If a pilot was doing aileron rolls or barrel rolls the tracking system would still basically show the aircraft proceeding along its flight path while maintaining 1 G. There may be some slight variation in altitude but not enough to alert anyone watching the system.
However, in this case, it would show a gross divergence in both but by then it was academic.
If a pilot was doing aileron rolls or barrel rolls the tracking system would still basically show the aircraft proceeding along its flight path while maintaining 1 G. There may be some slight variation in altitude but not enough to alert anyone watching the system.
However, in this case, it would show a gross divergence in both but by then it was academic.
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If the pilot was doing aileron rolls or barrel rolls the tracking system would still basically show the aircraft proceeding along its flight path while maintaing 1 G.
There may be some variation in altitude but not enough to alert anyone watching the system.
There may be some variation in altitude but not enough to alert anyone watching the system.
Hopefully INDIGO will work like a Black Box and show what really happened with the aircrafts flight path...
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NL fired me 8 years back for rolling a 206. His arguement was that the stress on the airframe "could" kill the next guy that flew it. I paid to replace the wing bolts and left with my head hanging low, never to go over 60 deg bank angle ever again. Now, did this 210 go over on that day, or was it latent dammage from years of abbuse????
"IF" INDIGO is working (and thats a BIG if) it updates every 30sec to 4min, as per opperator specs (may be wrong, but thats the specs my A/C had) so ........... a LOT "can" happen in the inbetwene time. Just a thought
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"IF" INDIGO is working (and thats a BIG if) it updates every 30sec to 4min, as per opperator specs (may be wrong, but thats the specs my A/C had) so ........... a LOT "can" happen in the inbetwene time. Just a thought
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Maybe a dumb question, and I never saw the photo, but how does a wing spar that failed in flight look different from one that failed on impact?
IF the pilot did break up attempting an aileron roll my guess is that it wasn't from pulling too hard, but too little. Some combination of too high an entry speed, not high enough pitch on entry, or leaving the power in too long... resulting in exceeding Vne in the recovery. I have botched enough aileron rolls in Citabrias and Aerobats to know how fast they can pick up speed if you get things wrong and a C210 with gear retracted would get away from you a whole lot faster. I don't know how that would look on indigosat, but I guess no matter what happened at some point it would show an increase in speed and loss of altitude.
Maybe the poor guy was just unlucky, seems like there isn't enough information to know what happened for sure and there probably never will be.
IF the pilot did break up attempting an aileron roll my guess is that it wasn't from pulling too hard, but too little. Some combination of too high an entry speed, not high enough pitch on entry, or leaving the power in too long... resulting in exceeding Vne in the recovery. I have botched enough aileron rolls in Citabrias and Aerobats to know how fast they can pick up speed if you get things wrong and a C210 with gear retracted would get away from you a whole lot faster. I don't know how that would look on indigosat, but I guess no matter what happened at some point it would show an increase in speed and loss of altitude.
Maybe the poor guy was just unlucky, seems like there isn't enough information to know what happened for sure and there probably never will be.
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BAT had a fast airframe, unlike other C210s, that just don't want to pick up speed. It was a workhorse, with Sefofane for more than 10 years, but I don't think it had an overstressed frame, that would brake up while innocently flying along while everything is in the green...
Somebody else mentioned that the pictures looked like the engine could have come out of it's mountings in flight and hit the wing. Possibly a stone chip on the prop caused a piece of the tip to come of, causing an inbalance, that in turn made the engine rip out it's mountings?
Somebody else mentioned that the pictures looked like the engine could have come out of it's mountings in flight and hit the wing. Possibly a stone chip on the prop caused a piece of the tip to come of, causing an inbalance, that in turn made the engine rip out it's mountings?
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Possibly it hit a bat that caused a piece of rubber to come off from round the windscreen which in turn caused the windscreen to come out and hit the fin causing the rudder to go full left and blah blah, seriously why not just wait and find out what the investigation reveals.
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Hmmmm I think I can answer that one Sloppy....
Because we are professionals and never stop using our aviator brains concerning safety? We never stop rationalizing scenarios for the good of the pax….for the good of the profession….for the good of our own buttocks because we are generally the first at the scene of the accident?
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Well time has passed - and I noticed all the coments - no coment from me as I was not there - I lost an aleron trim tab on a twin not so long ago and did almost two barrel rolls before I could catch her - it was rough - had 20 knots to play with - boths sides as to slow or to fast the wings started to clap hands - inspected BAT myself - never saw anything like that - just hope and pray they get an answer there - but life goes on - safe flying chaps - take care
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Ahem......
Lost an aileron TIM TAB?!
GOOD GRIEF!
Well by logical extention, it would also be wise to have maintenance people that never stop rationalizing scenarios for the good of the pax….for the good of the profession......ect...
TWO ROLL OVERS?! HOLY MOLY!
GOOD GRIEF!
Well by logical extention, it would also be wise to have maintenance people that never stop rationalizing scenarios for the good of the pax….for the good of the profession......ect...
TWO ROLL OVERS?! HOLY MOLY!
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FFS people. If you want to do aerobatics, GREAT, go use a proper plane and get proper training from someone who knows what theyre doing!!! as an AVID aerobatic pilot, and knowing the forces and what a botched maneuver can lead to, id be TERRIFIED to think to try maneuvers in a plane not built for them!!
it makes me cringe every time i see videos of people rolling planes with horrible technique and no clue what theyre doing. sad this kid found out the hard way.
GET PROPER TRAINING / USE A PROPER PLANE FOR AEROBATICS.
if i found out someone had been rolling a plane i had to fly next, id insist on them paying for a very thorough inspection first!!
note: im not accusing here, just saying if anyone gets a wild idea to do stuff like roll a plane thats not built for it... DONT DO IT.
it makes me cringe every time i see videos of people rolling planes with horrible technique and no clue what theyre doing. sad this kid found out the hard way.
GET PROPER TRAINING / USE A PROPER PLANE FOR AEROBATICS.
if i found out someone had been rolling a plane i had to fly next, id insist on them paying for a very thorough inspection first!!
note: im not accusing here, just saying if anyone gets a wild idea to do stuff like roll a plane thats not built for it... DONT DO IT.
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The wreck arrived in Windhoek today. Cold chills will run down your neck when you see the wreck. Dont know how anyone would ever be able to identify the cause of the accident. There was no chance of survival. Shame man.
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