Two Air Mishaps Averted In Lagos And Abuja
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LongJohnThomas quote Jan 26th:
Not surprising, the Aussie would jump to the support of it's colonial master!
and:
It would make us happier if you ALL do not go to Nigeria, that way,. we would not have to hear the garbage that comes out of your 4R$eholes each time Nigeria is mentioned.
LongJohnThomas quote Jan 27th:
I once thought this site was primarily for professionals who would come together to share ''professional views'' compare notes, and seek solutions to existing problems??!!
An epiphany I presume??
Not surprising, the Aussie would jump to the support of it's colonial master!
and:
It would make us happier if you ALL do not go to Nigeria, that way,. we would not have to hear the garbage that comes out of your 4R$eholes each time Nigeria is mentioned.
LongJohnThomas quote Jan 27th:
I once thought this site was primarily for professionals who would come together to share ''professional views'' compare notes, and seek solutions to existing problems??!!
An epiphany I presume??
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LJT. Before you start having a go at me. Just know that I am an observer here, I am not even going to enter any argument about BA or Nigerians or any race issues. All I was saying is that I could see why UL posted as he did. Don't have a go at me mate and continue with your thread here, but don't hide behind cr@p. Just say what you want to say.
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Well, since the 'gods' decided that my first reply on this thread wasn't good enough, I'll try to be a little more civil this time.
Habari, I think Nijasea was trying to say that many competent Nigerian pilots straight from school are still looking for jobs while foreigners are being employed straight from school as expats. Surely, Nigeria must be one of the few places in the world where this happens. And no, it is neither a racial thing nor xenophobic thing.
Back to the original topic, does anyone have actual facts of what happened to 5N-CEO? I was told it was an air return due to (partial) loss of hydraulics which resulted in the locked wheels on landing. Can anyone confirm this?
Just so happens that 5N-HIR is on ground so the temporary loss shouldn't have much of an impact.
Haven't used 18R in the past few days, so can't say if progress is being made on the aircraft or if it has left the cargo ramp.
And please, please, please guys. Let us move on from these social/economic/political issues about Nigeria. It is getting quite boring and tiresome.
Mods, judging from the tone of the second post, it was obvious this thread was going to move in this direction (as usual), but yet, the 'clean up team' missed/ignored it.
Habari, I think Nijasea was trying to say that many competent Nigerian pilots straight from school are still looking for jobs while foreigners are being employed straight from school as expats. Surely, Nigeria must be one of the few places in the world where this happens. And no, it is neither a racial thing nor xenophobic thing.
Back to the original topic, does anyone have actual facts of what happened to 5N-CEO? I was told it was an air return due to (partial) loss of hydraulics which resulted in the locked wheels on landing. Can anyone confirm this?
Just so happens that 5N-HIR is on ground so the temporary loss shouldn't have much of an impact.
Haven't used 18R in the past few days, so can't say if progress is being made on the aircraft or if it has left the cargo ramp.
And please, please, please guys. Let us move on from these social/economic/political issues about Nigeria. It is getting quite boring and tiresome.
Mods, judging from the tone of the second post, it was obvious this thread was going to move in this direction (as usual), but yet, the 'clean up team' missed/ignored it.
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Thanks L.E I just wanted to know more about the two incidents and behold the Nigerian/expat saga comes up. I saw a BA (G-VIIK, I think) parked at Abuja in the afternoon odd time for a BA in Abuja so I am guessing that should be it from Kan. any news..
Nigeria and the Rest of the world
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Nigeria and the Rest of the world
That would be a good name for a Forum don't you think...
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System is working...
Hey, just 20-odd years there, gone for about three and-a-bit and check it out!
Guys still orbit until they nearly run out of fuel and then blame the destination airport for being closed? (Last I remember, the poor old ATC guys were not allowed to tell you when the airport should re-open when closed for VIP movements! You were reduced to guessing but only a fool wouldn't have diversion fuel faced with a closed Nigerian airport. I once had a newbie Chief Pilot goggling at the way I ordered two hours fuel just to do three TOLs, when I simply told him, "You are new here." Take off with 45 minutes fuel for "just three circuits" and then they close the airport. Okay, genius, now what? )
BA keep a load of pax on an aircraft instead of putting them... where, exactly? Unless Kano Airport has changed out of all recognition there isn't anywhere suitable as being clean and comfortable! So this is the fault of BA for being inhumane to their passengers because they are Nigerians, as if they would have not done the very best they could have under trying circumstances for any passengers and never mind their nationality?
LJT embodies something or other that makes him such a worthy spokesman, albeit a self-nominated one, for his country. Perhaps it is his command of English or the way he shows such grace under pressure; I really could not say. I have the feeling I must have known him or at least had him shouting at me on 118.1 for crossing his path on some Lagos taxiway.
I have been working in North Africa for about two years now. It is still Africa but sooo much more relaxed than Nigeria. You try to pull out into traffic here and people actually slow down to let you in! People use zebra crossings to walk across the street here rather than doing that very convincing horizontal imitation of a man falling out of a tree just trying to make it across the road alive, Nigeria-style.
It is the little things I really miss. Stop for a red light (they do that here, really!) and no "Rat Quench" man appears. Boring!
Guys still orbit until they nearly run out of fuel and then blame the destination airport for being closed? (Last I remember, the poor old ATC guys were not allowed to tell you when the airport should re-open when closed for VIP movements! You were reduced to guessing but only a fool wouldn't have diversion fuel faced with a closed Nigerian airport. I once had a newbie Chief Pilot goggling at the way I ordered two hours fuel just to do three TOLs, when I simply told him, "You are new here." Take off with 45 minutes fuel for "just three circuits" and then they close the airport. Okay, genius, now what? )
BA keep a load of pax on an aircraft instead of putting them... where, exactly? Unless Kano Airport has changed out of all recognition there isn't anywhere suitable as being clean and comfortable! So this is the fault of BA for being inhumane to their passengers because they are Nigerians, as if they would have not done the very best they could have under trying circumstances for any passengers and never mind their nationality?
LJT embodies something or other that makes him such a worthy spokesman, albeit a self-nominated one, for his country. Perhaps it is his command of English or the way he shows such grace under pressure; I really could not say. I have the feeling I must have known him or at least had him shouting at me on 118.1 for crossing his path on some Lagos taxiway.
I have been working in North Africa for about two years now. It is still Africa but sooo much more relaxed than Nigeria. You try to pull out into traffic here and people actually slow down to let you in! People use zebra crossings to walk across the street here rather than doing that very convincing horizontal imitation of a man falling out of a tree just trying to make it across the road alive, Nigeria-style.
It is the little things I really miss. Stop for a red light (they do that here, really!) and no "Rat Quench" man appears. Boring!
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chuks,
As i shall continue to say, you are entitled to an opinion of me.
I have no problems with that; You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
I think your first paragraph was meant for the thread on the 3 hr delay due to presidential movement.
Second paragraph, sparsely touches on the issues raised, but an acceptable response given the circumstances.
Third is all about me, and how i should not stand up when my dear country is maligned and castigated, digressing from the points raised??!!
Fourth, is all about YOU, where you are and have been??!!!
And last, but not the least, the usual off comments about Nigeria which has absolutely squat to do with BA and it's treatment of PAX.
Cant miss that chance to say something derogatory about Nigeria, can you?
Keep it up!
As i shall continue to say, you are entitled to an opinion of me.
I have no problems with that; You know what they say about opinions, don't you?
I think your first paragraph was meant for the thread on the 3 hr delay due to presidential movement.
Second paragraph, sparsely touches on the issues raised, but an acceptable response given the circumstances.
Third is all about me, and how i should not stand up when my dear country is maligned and castigated, digressing from the points raised??!!
Fourth, is all about YOU, where you are and have been??!!!
And last, but not the least, the usual off comments about Nigeria which has absolutely squat to do with BA and it's treatment of PAX.
Cant miss that chance to say something derogatory about Nigeria, can you?
Keep it up!
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Read the post, please!
Did I not say that I miss Nigeria? "Crazy place with some great people" about sums it up for me.
Where else can you buy nice, fresh "Rat Quench" on your way home from work? Along with perhaps a room fan, a copy of a dictionary, some shower shoes, a "Shrap" calculator, some "Pailips" light bulbs, an electric kettle, loaves of bread and not least, that great Lagos stand-by, "rodent on a stick" ( cane rat or "grasscutter," a beast that looks for all the world like a giant rat) sold by the side of the road dangling on rope from a staff. No room here to list all the other stuff so bye for now and keep up the good publicity for Nigeria, LJT.
Where else can you buy nice, fresh "Rat Quench" on your way home from work? Along with perhaps a room fan, a copy of a dictionary, some shower shoes, a "Shrap" calculator, some "Pailips" light bulbs, an electric kettle, loaves of bread and not least, that great Lagos stand-by, "rodent on a stick" ( cane rat or "grasscutter," a beast that looks for all the world like a giant rat) sold by the side of the road dangling on rope from a staff. No room here to list all the other stuff so bye for now and keep up the good publicity for Nigeria, LJT.
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Dream Come True:
Guys, why all this bruhaha concerning BA and them all. For years I have not gone near the likes of these carriers, who have not just exploited Nigerians for decades, but alsö provide a service that I consider to be the most ridiculous, anywhere in the world.
The other day out of Lagos, my wife called me about her flight, I think it was last week wednesday on BA74 from Lagos to London, a 747-400 with a full house in all the classes, with the airconditioning systems providing no cooling at all, it was so bad that mothers with babies had a hard time staying on board with their little ones, apparently it became so hot that people started asking if there was a problem with their aircraft.
As usual the crew would pass by and beckon on them that they would soon be on their way and it would all be ok.
After takeoff the situation did not change (which I found to be bizarre) and then 20mins into the flight the flight service manager came on the PA to announce that they know that the cabin is warm but all should be patient that it takes 20mins for this aircraft to cool after takeoff.
Bizarre all very bizarre!!! She finished by saying the crew ended the flight in London by planting them so hard on the ground the screams by passengers must have been heard on the upper deck by the crew.
Guys, the fact is ARIK has started its London flight and soon with more modern equipment arriving other popular routes will follow. I will fly them, the aircrafts are so beautiful and I most say the service is above that of BA and the likes, believe me.
For me its a dream come true, finally a Nigerian Carrier with good intentions, spanking new modern machines and a service u can compare to emirates and the rest "which I have been flying for some time now" It makes me so proud to board ARIK out of London Heathrow Terminal 2.
At last a Nigerian Carrier flying me Home.
PS: And by the way for all of u intending to spread it hear, Ill say it first, yes I do work for Arik!
The other day out of Lagos, my wife called me about her flight, I think it was last week wednesday on BA74 from Lagos to London, a 747-400 with a full house in all the classes, with the airconditioning systems providing no cooling at all, it was so bad that mothers with babies had a hard time staying on board with their little ones, apparently it became so hot that people started asking if there was a problem with their aircraft.
As usual the crew would pass by and beckon on them that they would soon be on their way and it would all be ok.
After takeoff the situation did not change (which I found to be bizarre) and then 20mins into the flight the flight service manager came on the PA to announce that they know that the cabin is warm but all should be patient that it takes 20mins for this aircraft to cool after takeoff.
Bizarre all very bizarre!!! She finished by saying the crew ended the flight in London by planting them so hard on the ground the screams by passengers must have been heard on the upper deck by the crew.
Guys, the fact is ARIK has started its London flight and soon with more modern equipment arriving other popular routes will follow. I will fly them, the aircrafts are so beautiful and I most say the service is above that of BA and the likes, believe me.
For me its a dream come true, finally a Nigerian Carrier with good intentions, spanking new modern machines and a service u can compare to emirates and the rest "which I have been flying for some time now" It makes me so proud to board ARIK out of London Heathrow Terminal 2.
At last a Nigerian Carrier flying me Home.
PS: And by the way for all of u intending to spread it hear, Ill say it first, yes I do work for Arik!
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U herd it here 1st!
BA exploits passengers! Me too! I just wanted to go home and they took money off me for that! I would have used Nigeria Airways except they had gone bust, out of business long ago, just another victim of the colonialist oppressors.
You folks should take a tip from us and declare independence!
You folks should take a tip from us and declare independence!
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"You folks should take a tip from us and declare independence!"
come on chuks, wats ur beef now!!! U have continued wit this character here on pprune for as long as forever ol chap, maybe they should consider u as a moderator, hopefully not here on the african forum, I suggest maybe Moderating on the page "Where Are They Now"!!! ignore all that just trying to humour u...
The fact is a lot of folks, as u called us dislike BA and the truth about it is their service to lagos is absolute crap compared to their other destinations.
Concerning y they still come to Nigeria and the risky ride they take to their hotel (sheraton) well I meet them at goodies bar some evenings and believe me I know y they are so rude and uncaring the next day for their flights
So believe me I would be happy to see them leave, but u know what Sir, they will not and we both understand why!
Also concerning the Arik A340-500 operations to the UK, believe me its just as I said, please for my sake try it sometime and give me some feedback, I would love to hear ur impressions concerning the service by ARIK from checkin to boarding and inflight service to Lagos.
They are leaving wit a full house tonight and its been like this for quite a while now, so if u ever try to book do it early Sir.
Any intentions of coming back to Nigeria, well, at least we keep u informed on how things are going on here, good or bad, as the case may be for u.
Regards
come on chuks, wats ur beef now!!! U have continued wit this character here on pprune for as long as forever ol chap, maybe they should consider u as a moderator, hopefully not here on the african forum, I suggest maybe Moderating on the page "Where Are They Now"!!! ignore all that just trying to humour u
...The fact is a lot of folks, as u called us dislike BA and the truth about it is their service to lagos is absolute crap compared to their other destinations.
Concerning y they still come to Nigeria and the risky ride they take to their hotel (sheraton) well I meet them at goodies bar some evenings and believe me I know y they are so rude and uncaring the next day for their flights
So believe me I would be happy to see them leave, but u know what Sir, they will not and we both understand why!
Also concerning the Arik A340-500 operations to the UK, believe me its just as I said, please for my sake try it sometime and give me some feedback, I would love to hear ur impressions concerning the service by ARIK from checkin to boarding and inflight service to Lagos.
They are leaving wit a full house tonight and its been like this for quite a while now, so if u ever try to book do it early Sir.
Any intentions of coming back to Nigeria, well, at least we keep u informed on how things are going on here, good or bad, as the case may be for u.
Regards
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ARIK
BALEWA,
I wish you and ARIK well for the venture! Is the company wholly Naija owned and what other routes do you fly? I hear from friends and colleagues that SAA's service on the LOS route is on a par with the worst, so maybe that would be a winner for you.
I wish you and ARIK well for the venture! Is the company wholly Naija owned and what other routes do you fly? I hear from friends and colleagues that SAA's service on the LOS route is on a par with the worst, so maybe that would be a winner for you.
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Good luck with that one...
Oh, I just like a little joke now and then and Lagos in particular and Nigeria in general are a target-rich environment. Should I play the "respect for the aged" card here?
Come on guys! A lot of jokes, such as setting up what is supposed to be a new, world-class airline using obviously dodgy funding from alleged fraudsters (just read your own newspapers, please), when even Boeing is happy to play along... As an Aussie might say to it's colonial masters, "Don't play the raw prawn with us!"
Then you have this on-going joke of orbiting some closed airport until "De foo-el done finish!" just because... of what? "Having a generally sunny and optimistic view of life," I suppose where experience has made me gloomy and pessimistic.
We all know what the rules say about that sort of thing, burning up all your fuel reserves even assuming you have bothered with reserve fuel in the first place or finding an AOC in your Christmas cracker, and we also know the general approach to the rules, any rules, in Nigeria.
People continue to burst into print here to moan about a fact of life, the way Nigerian government entities will close major airports on no notice for extended periods with absolutely no regard for the impact on good order and safety. When you ended up being laughed to scorn over this then the moaning commences over "colonialism" and all sorts of other "isms" too.
Here in North Africa we have a lot of African ex-pats, both pilots and engineers but almost all of the ones in aviation seem to come from South Africa. I have met Nigerians working here, just a few, but not in aviation.
Some of you might find it downright fascinating to eavesdrop on the usual conversation here when the subject of Nigeria comes up. People look at me as if I have two heads when I tell them about the positive side of the place, interspersed with the odd war story backed up by the camp's French head of catering (he had been kidnapped off an oil rig) and a Lebanese/Canadian engineer (he quit some company just because they wanted to send him to Nigeria to replace a man who had been found hanged).
About all Nigeria is well-known for is the 419 letter and the continuing trouble in the Delta so good luck with polishing the image up a bit. Rants in broken English are not going to do much good with that, I fear, especially tagged with a London address, while what is happening with Virgin Nigeria and Arik seems very, very familiar and somewhat unlikely to have a happy ending. I really would like to return, if only for a visit but that's probably not on the cards. Meanwhile there is PPRuNe, eh?
Come on guys! A lot of jokes, such as setting up what is supposed to be a new, world-class airline using obviously dodgy funding from alleged fraudsters (just read your own newspapers, please), when even Boeing is happy to play along... As an Aussie might say to it's colonial masters, "Don't play the raw prawn with us!"
Then you have this on-going joke of orbiting some closed airport until "De foo-el done finish!" just because... of what? "Having a generally sunny and optimistic view of life," I suppose where experience has made me gloomy and pessimistic.
We all know what the rules say about that sort of thing, burning up all your fuel reserves even assuming you have bothered with reserve fuel in the first place or finding an AOC in your Christmas cracker, and we also know the general approach to the rules, any rules, in Nigeria.
People continue to burst into print here to moan about a fact of life, the way Nigerian government entities will close major airports on no notice for extended periods with absolutely no regard for the impact on good order and safety. When you ended up being laughed to scorn over this then the moaning commences over "colonialism" and all sorts of other "isms" too.
Here in North Africa we have a lot of African ex-pats, both pilots and engineers but almost all of the ones in aviation seem to come from South Africa. I have met Nigerians working here, just a few, but not in aviation.
Some of you might find it downright fascinating to eavesdrop on the usual conversation here when the subject of Nigeria comes up. People look at me as if I have two heads when I tell them about the positive side of the place, interspersed with the odd war story backed up by the camp's French head of catering (he had been kidnapped off an oil rig) and a Lebanese/Canadian engineer (he quit some company just because they wanted to send him to Nigeria to replace a man who had been found hanged).
About all Nigeria is well-known for is the 419 letter and the continuing trouble in the Delta so good luck with polishing the image up a bit. Rants in broken English are not going to do much good with that, I fear, especially tagged with a London address, while what is happening with Virgin Nigeria and Arik seems very, very familiar and somewhat unlikely to have a happy ending. I really would like to return, if only for a visit but that's probably not on the cards. Meanwhile there is PPRuNe, eh?
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chuks,
It's not difficult to see where you're coming from with your rhetoric.
And like what your friend quoted earlier? What you infer!
The thread still remains about BA and not the woes that may have befallen Nigeria.
Like i have said before, you may share your feelings on the socio-economic state of the Nigerian nation on appropriate sites; Or better still? Since you seem to have all the solutions? Take up residency in the Presidential Villa 'ASO ROCK' and YOU go repair whats biting you most about the country!
Stick to the topic here man!
BRITISH AIRWAYS!!!!
It's not difficult to see where you're coming from with your rhetoric.
And like what your friend quoted earlier? What you infer!
The thread still remains about BA and not the woes that may have befallen Nigeria.
Like i have said before, you may share your feelings on the socio-economic state of the Nigerian nation on appropriate sites; Or better still? Since you seem to have all the solutions? Take up residency in the Presidential Villa 'ASO ROCK' and YOU go repair whats biting you most about the country!
Stick to the topic here man!
BRITISH AIRWAYS!!!!
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What a good idea! Not...
Having me in charge would probably finish off any country; I really do not think that is what you want, LJT, so that you must be joking there, you big kidder you! "Great Winder-up of the Oyingbos": we can engrave that one on your fly-whisk, I guess, when you make Chief.
I like your style; it reminds me not a little of the late Jerry Agbey-Agbey, just lashing out in all directions there, spraying vinegar and contumely.
BA, what is there to say? "World's favourite airline" about sums it up, I guess. Or is that Ryanair, since I think they also claim that one? We just have to wait for Arik on this, I guess, see how they get on.
Surely we can put things here in context to suggest that there is more to this than cruel, neo-colonialist BA tormenting innocent Nigerian victims. You must allow the oyingbos here at least that, yes?
Why I write that: I was once in search of happiness in Lagos, defined as V2 off 19R of course, when it was Christmastime with Sabena absolutely chockers.
I was sat there with my humble ID50 Economy class ticket just hoping not to get bumped as boarding commenced. About 5 big Nigerians were all trying to go through the little doorway to the jetway at once, forming a struggling, squirming human knot as I just sat there reading my book and waiting for the mob to clear. (Expecting to join an orderly queue in Lagos is somewhat hopeless in my experience.)
Roland, that mean-looking Sabena security bod, was watching them and then he turned to catch me watching them, when he came marching over to say, "Show me your boarding card," and then, "Come with me." I thought, "Oh, nooo! Christmas in Lagos! The wife will KILL me!"
He upgraded me to Business Class! I was up the stairs on the 747-300 like the proverbial rat up a drainpipe to escape the milling chaos of the jam-packed cheap seats... It was pure bliss up there!
So there are always two sides to every story. For every planeload of Nigerian victims, sweating, screaming, over-paying and fainting, there might just be the same planeload of people who can be the passengers from Hell.
Pretty much every landing in Lagos, you will hear, "click-click-click" from the seatbelt buckles and then everyone with a green passport gets up and starts grabbing bags out of the lockers and never mind those funny little "Fasten Seatbelt" signs glowing away. "Gotta be first out the door," and never mind if you fall down and break your stupid neck trying to do that, I guess.
Once I was on a Lufthansa flight when the Captain just stopped on the taxiway and announced that the aircraft was NOT MOVING until everyone sat down and put their seat belts on. It took about one long, pregnant minute until people finally left the aisles and sat down, when our journey to the terminal resumed. That got a big round of applause from the "racists," of course!
I like your style; it reminds me not a little of the late Jerry Agbey-Agbey, just lashing out in all directions there, spraying vinegar and contumely.
BA, what is there to say? "World's favourite airline" about sums it up, I guess. Or is that Ryanair, since I think they also claim that one? We just have to wait for Arik on this, I guess, see how they get on.
Surely we can put things here in context to suggest that there is more to this than cruel, neo-colonialist BA tormenting innocent Nigerian victims. You must allow the oyingbos here at least that, yes?
Why I write that: I was once in search of happiness in Lagos, defined as V2 off 19R of course, when it was Christmastime with Sabena absolutely chockers.
I was sat there with my humble ID50 Economy class ticket just hoping not to get bumped as boarding commenced. About 5 big Nigerians were all trying to go through the little doorway to the jetway at once, forming a struggling, squirming human knot as I just sat there reading my book and waiting for the mob to clear. (Expecting to join an orderly queue in Lagos is somewhat hopeless in my experience.)
Roland, that mean-looking Sabena security bod, was watching them and then he turned to catch me watching them, when he came marching over to say, "Show me your boarding card," and then, "Come with me." I thought, "Oh, nooo! Christmas in Lagos! The wife will KILL me!"
He upgraded me to Business Class! I was up the stairs on the 747-300 like the proverbial rat up a drainpipe to escape the milling chaos of the jam-packed cheap seats... It was pure bliss up there!
So there are always two sides to every story. For every planeload of Nigerian victims, sweating, screaming, over-paying and fainting, there might just be the same planeload of people who can be the passengers from Hell.
Pretty much every landing in Lagos, you will hear, "click-click-click" from the seatbelt buckles and then everyone with a green passport gets up and starts grabbing bags out of the lockers and never mind those funny little "Fasten Seatbelt" signs glowing away. "Gotta be first out the door," and never mind if you fall down and break your stupid neck trying to do that, I guess.
Once I was on a Lufthansa flight when the Captain just stopped on the taxiway and announced that the aircraft was NOT MOVING until everyone sat down and put their seat belts on. It took about one long, pregnant minute until people finally left the aisles and sat down, when our journey to the terminal resumed. That got a big round of applause from the "racists," of course!
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"Come on guys! A lot of jokes, such as setting up what is supposed to be a new, world-class airline using obviously dodgy funding from alleged fraudsters (just read your own newspapers, please), when even Boeing is happy to play along... As an Aussie might say to it's colonial masters, "Don't play the raw prawn with us!"
chuks, u got it all wrong Sir, but its not just u, a lot of people been misled just like u concerning the funding of Arik, believe me there is nothing Dodgy with Arik.
U see chuks there is a reason why Boeing is happy to play along, there is a reason why Lufthansa Technic is happy to play along and believe me there is also a good reason for Sir Arumemi Johnson to play along.
How much dodgy or stolen funds from Nigeria government officials or fraudsters as u rightly put it could fund what Arik has achieved so far and has also put into place to materialise in the next 2yrs.
Nothing mate, absolutely nothing, listen and listen carefuly old chap, cos I dunno where u get ur facts from, Ariks funding is not from and nowhere near any of what u have just mentioned, Johnson if u do not know did not even spend a dime on Arik, and just to get it all clear now neither did Obasanjo or whoever was mentioned then, actually most of them are all quite pissed off now that they are not involved. They most definetly helped with getting the airline going concerning registration and security from the federal Government which was one of their requirements before entering the market and also assisted in the sale of the old Nigeria Airways hangar and all that which if they had not purchased would be worse than what it was until its purchase wasting away"
Arik is solely funded by an international corporation, one of the largest in the world with a lot of business interest in the aviation sector and thats it, Johnson facilitated their entry into the African Aviation business and thats all.
Actually they have been in Nigeria but doing business in another area.
Believe me Boeing will be happy to play along when it comes to Arik, they are friends, old friends chuks...
Just take a good look mate and try to put it all together, look, even Branson could not do with VirginNigeria what these guys are doing here. In a couple of months brand new others from Boeing will roll out and be delivered to Lagos for our international operations and u sit there and tell me fraudsters from Nigeria.
If u need more info on this u know how to reach me.
"Come on guys! A lot of jokes, such as setting up what is supposed to be a new, world-class airline using obviously dodgy funding from alleged fraudsters (just read your own newspapers, please), when even Boeing is happy to play along... As an Aussie might say to it's colonial masters, "Don't play the raw prawn with us!"
chuks, u got it all wrong Sir, but its not just u, a lot of people been misled just like u concerning the funding of Arik, believe me there is nothing Dodgy with Arik.
U see chuks there is a reason why Boeing is happy to play along, there is a reason why Lufthansa Technic is happy to play along and believe me there is also a good reason for Sir Arumemi Johnson to play along.
How much dodgy or stolen funds from Nigeria government officials or fraudsters as u rightly put it could fund what Arik has achieved so far and has also put into place to materialise in the next 2yrs.
Nothing mate, absolutely nothing, listen and listen carefuly old chap, cos I dunno where u get ur facts from, Ariks funding is not from and nowhere near any of what u have just mentioned, Johnson if u do not know did not even spend a dime on Arik, and just to get it all clear now neither did Obasanjo or whoever was mentioned then, actually most of them are all quite pissed off now that they are not involved. They most definetly helped with getting the airline going concerning registration and security from the federal Government which was one of their requirements before entering the market and also assisted in the sale of the old Nigeria Airways hangar and all that which if they had not purchased would be worse than what it was until its purchase wasting away"
Arik is solely funded by an international corporation, one of the largest in the world with a lot of business interest in the aviation sector and thats it, Johnson facilitated their entry into the African Aviation business and thats all.
Actually they have been in Nigeria but doing business in another area.
Believe me Boeing will be happy to play along when it comes to Arik, they are friends, old friends chuks...
Just take a good look mate and try to put it all together, look, even Branson could not do with VirginNigeria what these guys are doing here. In a couple of months brand new others from Boeing will roll out and be delivered to Lagos for our international operations and u sit there and tell me fraudsters from Nigeria.
If u need more info on this u know how to reach me.
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LJT,
Actually the topic isn't just BA, it involves two separate flights with 2 different airlines but, as so often when BA is mentioned, as when Arik is mentioned all sorts of people jump up and down, get agitated and spout all sorts of nonsense.
I'd be interested to know where you got your figure of a supposed £1,000 from for a BA cattle class flight. I usually travel with BA if I can because I trust their maintenance and think their crews are some of the best trained in the business. The cabin service is not the greatest, but that's immaterial - I'm quite capable of taking my i-pod, some reading matter and keeping myself occupied and comfortable as long as I feel safe. My recent return flight to London cost me £508.30, plus a fee of £4 for paying by credit card. I was offered an upgrade to Premium economy for an additional £500. Could that be what you're thinking of? I enquired about Arik, who would have been £5 less and Virgin were the cheapest. Having had a horrid experience with Bellview the one time I had to travel with them, I din't even consider them despite their fare being on the low side.
I'll still stick to BA until I see what sort of a track record Arik establish a year or two down the road.
Actually the topic isn't just BA, it involves two separate flights with 2 different airlines but, as so often when BA is mentioned, as when Arik is mentioned all sorts of people jump up and down, get agitated and spout all sorts of nonsense.
I'd be interested to know where you got your figure of a supposed £1,000 from for a BA cattle class flight. I usually travel with BA if I can because I trust their maintenance and think their crews are some of the best trained in the business. The cabin service is not the greatest, but that's immaterial - I'm quite capable of taking my i-pod, some reading matter and keeping myself occupied and comfortable as long as I feel safe. My recent return flight to London cost me £508.30, plus a fee of £4 for paying by credit card. I was offered an upgrade to Premium economy for an additional £500. Could that be what you're thinking of? I enquired about Arik, who would have been £5 less and Virgin were the cheapest. Having had a horrid experience with Bellview the one time I had to travel with them, I din't even consider them despite their fare being on the low side.
I'll still stick to BA until I see what sort of a track record Arik establish a year or two down the road.
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TomBola,
Whilst i accept that BA is not the only Airline mentioned, i have kept my comments focused on the one of both that raise concerns for me.
I am sure you assume i lack the acumen to successfully navigate the Internet.
Mind you, i take no offence.
Try making a booking right now out of LOS to LHR and back to LOS.
Not the other way around, and see what it gives you? It'll be at least £600 without any additions. Then do the LHR-LOS-LHR for the same dates and see?
Why are the fares for the same route different if booked from a different side of the table for the same dates? Pls check it and confirm what i have just said, because, i just did, just to be doubly sure i was not talking outta my cr@phole!
Oh sorry, check this one; BA travel reservation YWZI4A: LOS-LHR 1 Feb 2009 23:30. I took the liberty of booking it in your name if you don't mind.
I quoted a cattle class ticket being over £1000, because the ticket i used to return to the UK after Christmas (one way) was for £1132 and that was for row 68F! I can scan, cut and paste it if you like deleting my personal details of course.
Chuks,
You strike me like a person who likes to tell stories of his escapades? Well, knock yourself out mate! You're entitled to.
If i thought for a moment, i made no sense, i would stop talking and allow your likes just BASH away at Nigeria and Nigerians.
I do not know all? And i am certainly open to some enlightenment.
Who and what would you guys talk about if there was no Nigeria, i sometimes wonder?
BALEWA,
Sorry, not to knock anything you've said?
But i wonder about 'Sir Arumemi Johnson'. When and where was he knighted?
This should raise another topic for discussion and throwing of machetes around here.
Oh well, none of my business!!
Whilst i accept that BA is not the only Airline mentioned, i have kept my comments focused on the one of both that raise concerns for me.
I am sure you assume i lack the acumen to successfully navigate the Internet.
Mind you, i take no offence.
Try making a booking right now out of LOS to LHR and back to LOS.
Not the other way around, and see what it gives you? It'll be at least £600 without any additions. Then do the LHR-LOS-LHR for the same dates and see?
Why are the fares for the same route different if booked from a different side of the table for the same dates? Pls check it and confirm what i have just said, because, i just did, just to be doubly sure i was not talking outta my cr@phole!
Oh sorry, check this one; BA travel reservation YWZI4A: LOS-LHR 1 Feb 2009 23:30. I took the liberty of booking it in your name if you don't mind.
I quoted a cattle class ticket being over £1000, because the ticket i used to return to the UK after Christmas (one way) was for £1132 and that was for row 68F! I can scan, cut and paste it if you like deleting my personal details of course.
Chuks,
You strike me like a person who likes to tell stories of his escapades? Well, knock yourself out mate! You're entitled to.
If i thought for a moment, i made no sense, i would stop talking and allow your likes just BASH away at Nigeria and Nigerians.
I do not know all? And i am certainly open to some enlightenment.
Who and what would you guys talk about if there was no Nigeria, i sometimes wonder?
BALEWA,
Sorry, not to knock anything you've said?
But i wonder about 'Sir Arumemi Johnson'. When and where was he knighted?
This should raise another topic for discussion and throwing of machetes around here.
Oh well, none of my business!!
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Am not really a fan of BA,but fair is fair
Smoke in the cockpit is not a game,land asap.
For any one familiar with Kano,we all know that BA has no ground staff.
What else could they have done given the circumstances,Kano is not a city packed with luxury hotels.
Theres only one flight out of kano for anywhere after 12noon.
Even if they could utilise that flight,were are the gnd staff?
Results would have been much different if they had returned to ABV.
This is not the eureka to hang BA,despite a lot of bad belles,of which am a member.
By the way BALEWA,the youngest of BA'S 747 must be clocking over 10yrs and the oldest above 20yrs,cooling will become a problem
Smoke in the cockpit is not a game,land asap.
For any one familiar with Kano,we all know that BA has no ground staff.
What else could they have done given the circumstances,Kano is not a city packed with luxury hotels.
Theres only one flight out of kano for anywhere after 12noon.
Even if they could utilise that flight,were are the gnd staff?
Results would have been much different if they had returned to ABV.
This is not the eureka to hang BA,despite a lot of bad belles,of which am a member.
By the way BALEWA,the youngest of BA'S 747 must be clocking over 10yrs and the oldest above 20yrs,cooling will become a problem