What is going on at CAA??
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What is going on at CAA??
Any one heard the rumour this morning about the boys in blue marching into CAA and adorning our two well known examination personalities with some shiney wrist jewelery.
Apparently been selling Comm licences again...and have been given the choice, give names or it's off to the big house.
If it's true, there should be some very worried new Comms out there.
Anyone heard or got info???????
Apparently been selling Comm licences again...and have been given the choice, give names or it's off to the big house.
If it's true, there should be some very worried new Comms out there.
Anyone heard or got info???????
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I really hope this is not true, man that would really be a shame and make a mockery of all of us that have worked so hard for out licences! Who would actually buy a licence like that anyway, hope I don’t ever have the misfortune of ending up on the flight deck with one of them one day!!
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Agreed. Good part is, some DE still has to do the actual flight test on these wankers. The major problem though, is the absolute power of SACAA. They are a law unto themselves and there are no checks and balances unless you regard reporting to a minister who knows nothing about aviation as checks and balances. As Aristotle said, "Ultimate power corrupts ultimately and absolute power corrupts absolutely".
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Ghee, can believe that.
If it is open in SA, can we have names???
Let everybody in aviation know who they are.
They throw the name away off all pilots in SA, who worked for their licences.
Surely nothing will happen to them, ( apartyd se skuld al weer)
If it is open in SA, can we have names???
Let everybody in aviation know who they are.
They throw the name away off all pilots in SA, who worked for their licences.
Surely nothing will happen to them, ( apartyd se skuld al weer)
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You say that a DE still has to do the evaluation. That is pretty subjective though. You will have one guy put you through your paces, and another will rush you through, he still get's his bucks..............
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Eisch, Again
Suitcaseman.
It is very quiet on the Western front, and the first that many heard about it was from Avcom.
So as much as you guys are in the dark, so are we.
But if it is true, then they must lock them up with the people that paid for the papers (and apparently the extra favours), throw away the key and let the whole lot rot.
Since the new Commissioner arrived, things are definitely going for the better, but there is always some rubbish left that screws it up for the rest of us.
My way of thinking, is do what the yanks do...have one book with all the questions and answers, have one set of study notes, the notes being compiled by the CAA, and distributed to all the schools and individuals. (so everyone has the same set of study notes and there is no funny questions and answers, with each school having a different answer to a question or their own crappy notes).
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Lets be honest, who cares which way you turn the latitude rider nut.....I am not a technician....use the FAA method....the flight test .
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This way it will cut out all the skandaal......sure you will have certain test instructors coining the bucks, but that is happening anyway.
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To be honest, if I was employing a pilot, I would employ an FAA ATP before our own.....for the simple reason, I know that he can fly...not turn the latitude rider nut the wrong way.
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Just my 10 cents worth.
Goffel
It is very quiet on the Western front, and the first that many heard about it was from Avcom.
So as much as you guys are in the dark, so are we.
But if it is true, then they must lock them up with the people that paid for the papers (and apparently the extra favours), throw away the key and let the whole lot rot.
Since the new Commissioner arrived, things are definitely going for the better, but there is always some rubbish left that screws it up for the rest of us.
My way of thinking, is do what the yanks do...have one book with all the questions and answers, have one set of study notes, the notes being compiled by the CAA, and distributed to all the schools and individuals. (so everyone has the same set of study notes and there is no funny questions and answers, with each school having a different answer to a question or their own crappy notes).
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Lets be honest, who cares which way you turn the latitude rider nut.....I am not a technician....use the FAA method....the flight test .
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This way it will cut out all the skandaal......sure you will have certain test instructors coining the bucks, but that is happening anyway.
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To be honest, if I was employing a pilot, I would employ an FAA ATP before our own.....for the simple reason, I know that he can fly...not turn the latitude rider nut the wrong way.
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Just my 10 cents worth.
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not again
well well well . . . would you believe! I say the CAA should name and shame the ones who bought these licences and be banned from ever getting a licence within the republic again. as for those two well know friendly personalities behind the desk. . eish! this is a second offence for the one. come on mr jordaan its time for some heads to roll. and well done to the CAA if they indeed uncovered this scheme!
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Time For a Radical Chage Me Thinks......
With Cry's of "Not Again" and "Hope it's Not True" it's time for a change.
Let's take a look around the world and see how other's are doing better than us "African's" yet again!
Australia - has "PRIVATISED" and "COMPUTERISED" their examination system since 5 years or more and since that time no funny business has been heard of.
USA - Their semi-private LASERGRADE system of computer testing seems to work without too much hassel even if it is fatally flawed by the fact you only need 70% to pass and it is just one exam (Meaning you can be deficient in one area such as Meteo or flight planning and still pass)
So maybe we need to take the power away from the CAA and place it into private hands such as with DE's, otherwise you are just reducing the South African Licence to yet another piece of toiletpaper and the reputation of it's good pilots into the ****house.
And GOFFEL - I have to dissagree with you on employing an US ATPL over a CAA one - I can train a pilot to fly any plane, but when I have to explain "Basic Private Theory" on how the Pitot Static functions to an US ATPL licence holder then I might as well have the Hostess sitting next to me!
Let's take a look around the world and see how other's are doing better than us "African's" yet again!
Australia - has "PRIVATISED" and "COMPUTERISED" their examination system since 5 years or more and since that time no funny business has been heard of.
USA - Their semi-private LASERGRADE system of computer testing seems to work without too much hassel even if it is fatally flawed by the fact you only need 70% to pass and it is just one exam (Meaning you can be deficient in one area such as Meteo or flight planning and still pass)
So maybe we need to take the power away from the CAA and place it into private hands such as with DE's, otherwise you are just reducing the South African Licence to yet another piece of toiletpaper and the reputation of it's good pilots into the ****house.
And GOFFEL - I have to dissagree with you on employing an US ATPL over a CAA one - I can train a pilot to fly any plane, but when I have to explain "Basic Private Theory" on how the Pitot Static functions to an US ATPL licence holder then I might as well have the Hostess sitting next to me!
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One of my little spies on the inside says the exam dept. is manned by new faces, and that one of the chaps that used to work there (Mr.Mafuta) is on suspension.
A friend also happened to mention to me that he got brilliant service from the examination dept. yesterday, before I told him about the rumour. He said the rumour must be true, as he got decent service!
A friend also happened to mention to me that he got brilliant service from the examination dept. yesterday, before I told him about the rumour. He said the rumour must be true, as he got decent service!
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A bit of a harsh statement there Mobutu. Seeing you're from Kin, I take it your "CAA" license must be a Zaire license, the one you can buy a Concorde rating on, yes an excellent license, far better then the FAA one. You wouldn't happen to be the French man who got his "CAA" license converted for a SACAA one now, would you?The license with all the ratings on it you can buy....
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Unfortunately all true about the SACAA. You apparently could buy your ATP subjects aroune R 1000 to R 1500 per subject. Luckily these scum bags have all been suspended for now, I think they should all be jailed!
They must also expose all the relevant individuals that took part in this fraudulant scheme!
Let's hope this is the start in order to make CAA a better and helpfull institute!
They must also expose all the relevant individuals that took part in this fraudulant scheme!
Let's hope this is the start in order to make CAA a better and helpfull institute!
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Better off in the end...
Heard the broom will sweep at other areas too! This can only be good and hopefully equal standards will apply! Such an occurrence is unfortunate, however if CAA cleans house like I heard, it will be to the benefit of all.
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It is to be hoped that the powers that be will ensure that none of those who availed themselves of the purported purchasing service will ever hold a South African aviation licence or, indeed, ever fly in South African airspace, controlled or otherwise.
That last would probably be impossible to accomplish in terms of a restriction. The first suggestion would take a degree of courage and determination which might not sit too well upon all politcal shoulders. But it is a policy of punishment which should nonetheless be pursued with all diligence. It stands quite apart from whatever else the law may choose to hand down as a punishment.
It would also be a most excellent idea if the powers that be would dust off my last application to the SACAA and give me a call with a view to working for them as a part time flight ops inspector. Such a well considered move would ensure that certain coefficients other than A, B or C were used in determing capability, maturity, attitude and airmanship.
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Cavorting.
Part time does not work....causing too much friction with the full time guys due to salaries and time worked/not worked.
As for finding out who got what and who paid for what, will never be revealed in full.......too many of them to remember.....but I must admit, I look at some people that I believe paid....nothing one can do, as they sure as hell are never going to admit to paying, and if they are named, are sure as hell going to deny any involvement....innocent until proven guilty.
Catch 22 situation.
Well one thing for happiness that is coming out, is that the write one, pass one rule is coming out sooooooon.....no more stupid credits.
You will have 18 months to complete all subjects from the 1st passed subject....should you fail a subject...wait min 3 days, then write it again.
CAA is going to make beeeeeeeeeg bucks from this.........
As for the two individuals involved.....I hope the investigation does not get stuffed up by amatures and they let the pro's do the investigating.
Goffel
Part time does not work....causing too much friction with the full time guys due to salaries and time worked/not worked.
As for finding out who got what and who paid for what, will never be revealed in full.......too many of them to remember.....but I must admit, I look at some people that I believe paid....nothing one can do, as they sure as hell are never going to admit to paying, and if they are named, are sure as hell going to deny any involvement....innocent until proven guilty.
Catch 22 situation.
Well one thing for happiness that is coming out, is that the write one, pass one rule is coming out sooooooon.....no more stupid credits.
You will have 18 months to complete all subjects from the 1st passed subject....should you fail a subject...wait min 3 days, then write it again.
CAA is going to make beeeeeeeeeg bucks from this.........
As for the two individuals involved.....I hope the investigation does not get stuffed up by amatures and they let the pro's do the investigating.
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Actually. They were charging anything between 5000 and 10000 a paper. Some people have lots of money and plenty of laziness or empty skulls to waste that amount of money. Now its their time to suffer.
And Mr Mafuta aka Alfa lima echo exary had a bloody bad attitude.
That guy should never be allowed anywhere where he'd deal with people face to face. Unless they are dead,
and what is it with IF hours being reduced to the original 40 again? Anyone in the know how?
And Mr Mafuta aka Alfa lima echo exary had a bloody bad attitude.
That guy should never be allowed anywhere where he'd deal with people face to face. Unless they are dead,
and what is it with IF hours being reduced to the original 40 again? Anyone in the know how?
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Thought the advertisement originally was for full or part time FOIs. Something along the lines of three months on, six months off.
In an effort to maintain its rather tarnished integrity, the South African Civil Aviation Authority has little choice really but to invalidate all examination passes issued over some considerable preceeding time scale. Only by undertaking such an action and by facing up to the ensuing commotion can the SACAA satisfy its FAA auditors and the rest of the world into whose airspace South African pilots fly, to the effect that the SA CAA takes aviation safety and professionalism as seriously as it might like to be thought so to do.
Certainly there would be pilots presently in employ who would find themselves suddenly without licences and the innocent would suffer most considerably with the guilty. Nonetheless, those who had really passed their examinations should not fear too much if required to write the same papers again within, say, a thirty day period. Those who had bought their results would still be incapable of passing the subjects. The CAA would, of course, not charge for such a rewrite.
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Cavortingcheetah's "solution"
Cavortingcheetah, that has to be the most unrealistic suggestion to implement! Surely the more logical, and LEGAL, course would be to appoint a team of INDEPENDENT forensic auditors to investigate the whole business and, upon finding suspected cheats, obtain a court order to investigate their finances. There would bound to be a hole or holes in them totalling between R35 000 to R70 000 (based on figures provided in a previous post) closely aligned with the dates of their passing the subjects/papers in question. Vigorous interrogation and investigation of the implicated CAA officials would help to narrow the focus of the investigation as well!
What about the constitutional/legal premise of presumed innocence for the not guilty parties? Surely someone, who used the maximum number of sittings over the eighteen month period and who may have had to repeat some of the subjects as per the rules, in order to pass, is unlikely to have cheated
What about the chaos that would be caused to the lives and finances of operators and individuals? Would they be able to claim compensation upon being "proved" innocent as per your methodology? Who would re-imburse them, the CAA? The taxpayer? Yourself?
I see that you neglect to say where you're based so I presume it isn't South Africa and I also presume you don't hold, or maybe have never held, (exams too difficult maybe?) a South African professional license so your outrageous suggestion would not affect you in any shape or form.
What a slap in the face for the vast majority of us who worked hard, balancing work and family commitments as well as our studies, in order to pass the required exams and who obtained our licenses legitimately and honestly!
Just who the hell do you think you are?!
What about the constitutional/legal premise of presumed innocence for the not guilty parties? Surely someone, who used the maximum number of sittings over the eighteen month period and who may have had to repeat some of the subjects as per the rules, in order to pass, is unlikely to have cheated
What about the chaos that would be caused to the lives and finances of operators and individuals? Would they be able to claim compensation upon being "proved" innocent as per your methodology? Who would re-imburse them, the CAA? The taxpayer? Yourself?
I see that you neglect to say where you're based so I presume it isn't South Africa and I also presume you don't hold, or maybe have never held, (exams too difficult maybe?) a South African professional license so your outrageous suggestion would not affect you in any shape or form.
What a slap in the face for the vast majority of us who worked hard, balancing work and family commitments as well as our studies, in order to pass the required exams and who obtained our licenses legitimately and honestly!
Just who the hell do you think you are?!