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Old 29th Jul 2017, 20:26
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My Bristow career started when I was 21 years and 7 days old.
I saw the light after 12 years.
Are you on 'Bristow Old Gits' on Facebook?
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Old 29th Jul 2017, 21:42
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No, I don't do F**book. I'm in a Whatsapp group with a bunch of guys (some of whom are also in that F**book group), who used to work on the North Sea and in Nigeria (I reckon you would know the guy who did my 212 conversion).

We all meet up from time to time at different locations to drink a lot a talk a load of .

I did 25 years with Bristow straight from 15 years in the Army. Sheltered life.......

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Old 30th Jul 2017, 13:58
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I heard an amusing story once (I don't know if it's in that book) from a Saffir who flew Constellations into Biafra (from Sao Tome?). All their work was at night with no lights. The Nigerians had MiGs that would do patrols to look for them, no particular night-fighting capabilities just 'see if you can see something'. One of their Saffir mates (Charlie Somebody) got a job flying those MiGs. Through a 'common contact' they managed to agree a mutual VHF frequency. Charlie would always do his patrols with his nav lights on. If they saw a set of nav lights in the sky, the Saffir Connie pilots would quickly dial up this frequency and transmit " off Charlie" and would watch the nav lights turn away...!!

Only in Africa!
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Old 31st Jul 2017, 22:18
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Sitting in your office counting notes by hand to pay the local monthly wages, you've brought one of those sponge pad things that bank tellers used to have to keep your fingertips moist, but in the heat it's dried out. So for the sake of expediency you dab your finger tip on your tongue.

Three days later you're in the local clinic (apparently a German trained doctor runs it), with a massively swollen tongue and throat. Herr Doktor prescribes Penicillin.

Two days after starting the course you're lying naked on your bed with a fan blowing directly onto you. Your skin is covered in hives and you're delirious. He's overdosed you, resulting in a lifelong allergy to Penicillin.

Ho Hum....... Luckily Amoxicillin works just as well. Turns out the Doctor did a correspondence course purchased in Germany but graduated in Nigeria.

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Old 3rd Aug 2017, 16:47
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Re: flights into Biafra
The MIG pilot was the legendary Charles Viviers. Ex SAAF and a hooligan of note. He was my first instructor & regaled me with many of these stories. He had also done a stint in the Congo flying for Katanga. After the Biafran war was over he came back to SA with all the MIG21 flight manuals and a list of the Russian pilots that were being sent to Angola to bolster the communist faction of the new regime about to take over with new Russian aircraft. The SA authorities apparently showed him the door. He set up a flight school in Windhoek which was a bit of a dull occupation after his other exploits. He eventually ended up fish spotting off the West Cost of SA. I last met up with him Cape Town where he had just been questioned by the security police for recruitment of mercenaries for ops in Angola.
He passed away not long after this. An absolute legend definitely deserving a book or a movie.
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Old 5th Aug 2017, 20:15
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Half way through another interesting book by Kenneth C Ryeland. It's called The Up-Country Man.

The guy was working in Nigeria when Biafra declared it's secession. He was caught between the sides for 100 days.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 10:32
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You fly across 3 continents on 2 different airlines to get to Africa. On both of these "flag" carriers, the cabin crew are fat, rude, uneducated, slovenly and bitter. Upon reaching Africa, you breathe a breath of fresh air. All of "your" cabin crew speak at least 3 languages, are university graduates, fit, trim, attractive, pleasant, grateful and an absolute pleasure to travel the world with.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 11:50
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Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
You fly across 3 continents on 2 different airlines to get to Africa. On both of these "flag" carriers, the cabin crew are fat, rude, uneducated, slovenly and bitter. Upon reaching Africa, you breathe a breath of fresh air. All of "your" cabin crew speak at least 3 languages, are university graduates, fit, trim, attractive, pleasant, grateful and an absolute pleasure to travel the world with.
which African airline was this?
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 12:11
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Please do tell as I have done a lot of flying in and around africa on african carriers, and your description does not quite live up to my personel experiance. However if you have found this holy grale of an African crewed and owned carrier please let us know, please post in SLF as well as I am sure some of the cabin would like to know as well.


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Old 16th Aug 2017, 19:43
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You fly across 3 continents on 2 different airlines to get to Africa. On both of these "flag" carriers, the cabin crew are fat, rude, uneducated, slovenly and bitter. Upon reaching Africa, you breathe a breath of fresh air. All of "your" cabin crew speak at least 3 languages, are university graduates, fit, trim, attractive, pleasant, grateful and an absolute pleasure to travel the world with.
From my own experience that description could be of any one or more of:
Air Mauritius
Air Seychelles
Kenya Airways
Ethiopian Airlines.

They're all delightful and in marked contrast to the crap service on airlines in the US and some of the worst in Europe (you know who they are).
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 07:30
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I have flown on all but one (Air Seychelles being the missing one). Spent a lot of time on Kenyan and Ethiopian with mixed experiances though I would agree with you about the service as compared with any US carrier and the "worlds ex favourite airline" which I think you may have been alluding to. However both have had issues in the past with incidents (wrong airport landed by Ethiopian - Arusha I beleive) and lost hulls, so though service maybe ok some piloting could be questionable.

Air Mauritius I have used on a couple of occasions, but found them to be poor in comparison with the competition they have on their routes into their home base. I always do struggle with the concept of Maurtius being an African country (but I do acknowledge you are correct on that point).




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Old 17th Aug 2017, 10:30
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33 View Post
From my own experience that description could be of any one or more of:
Air Mauritius
Air Seychelles
Kenya Airways
Ethiopian Airlines.

They're all delightful and in marked contrast to the crap service on airlines in the US and some of the worst in Europe (you know who they are).
Absolutely agree. I live in Nairobi, and use KQ all the time. An absolute delight to fly. ET have been good the last couple of times I used them, too. I don't know the others. But given the choice between BA/AF/LH/KL, or KQ, from Nairobi to Europe, I'll fly KQ every time. Sure, from Kenya to anywhere in west Africa (Bamako, Dakar, Ougadoudu, etc), every now and again you get to ride one of the 15-year old 'chicken bus' 73-7s. But most of their fleet is now renewed - 78-8, ERJ190, 737-8.
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 11:36
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Good to hear your positive comments re Kenyan as East / Central and West Africa is not my patch anymore, so my time there was late 90,s through to about 2007. Spent quite while on old ex KLM 737 100 & 200 on the routes you quoted, but used to use BA on flights back to UK, as they had two flights a day at that time morning and evening as I recall. Also I think BA had some interrnal flights within East Africa at that time also on 737.
With regards to European legacy V Kenyan, AF is on my no fly list, as is BA, and LH do not operate into Nairobi and have not done so for somtime apart from Cargo flights. However I use them quite a bit elsewhere in the world and find them quite good. I have no recent experiance of KLM but wife used to use them to Vancouver on Business and had no complaints apart from A/C was old MD11 at that time.


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Old 17th Aug 2017, 11:43
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If Air Mauritius is included as 'African', can I nominate an airline that is based on an island a little closer to the mainland of Africa?

Air Austral

Yes, I have travelled as SLF with both airlines.
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 13:56
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... the friendly porter welcomed her with a smile and the typical "JAMBO, JAMBO" . Hosty replied: "No no, Airbus"
I seem to remenber that back in the days when EAA operated the VC-10, the welcoming PA included something like 'welcome aboard this East African Airways Jambo Jet'
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Old 17th Aug 2017, 18:28
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Good to hear your positive comments re Kenyan as East / Central and West Africa is not my patch anymore, so my time there was late 90,s through to about 2007. Spent quite while on old ex KLM 737 100 & 200 on the routes you quoted, but used to use BA on flights back to UK, as they had two flights a day at that time morning and evening as I recall. Also I think BA had some interrnal flights within East Africa at that time also on 737.
With regards to European legacy V Kenyan, AF is on my no fly list, as is BA, and LH do not operate into Nairobi and have not done so for somtime apart from Cargo flights. However I use them quite a bit elsewhere in the world and find them quite good. I have no recent experiance of KLM but wife used to use them to Vancouver on Business and had no complaints apart from A/C was old MD11 at that time.


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Evening, Mr Mac. Good to hear from an old Africa hand. BA now have one flight a day from NBO to LHR. LH started flying FRA - NBO again four (I think) times a week earlier this year - and Condor still fly to Mombasa. KL are fun and fine, and you get to fly on a 74 (for a little longer), and in C class you still get the sip of gin in a model of an Amsterdam house.

KQ had some shocking issues with cancelled/delayed flights in the late naughties, but seem to have up-ed their game a lot recently. The BA internal east africa flights were, I recall, run by a BA badged sub-contractor, Comair, who still fly BA-liveried 73s in Southern Africa but have pulled out of East Africa altogether.
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 01:54
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You know you're in Africa when.....you are genuinely shocked that the AME actually checks your blood pressure!
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 01:56
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You also know you are in Africa when.......the airfield doesn't have any runway lights so you taxi your aircraft to the threshold and turn on all you turn on your nav and strobes to indicate the threshold and landing lights to illuminate the runway so that your buddy can land..
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 07:50
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The BA internal east africa flights were, I recall, run by a BA badged sub-contractor, Comair, who still fly BA-liveried 73s in Southern Africa but have pulled out of East Africa altogether.

You walk into a casino wearing shorts and a t-shirt and security ask if you have any side arms to check in. The following day, you find that your connecting flight out of Port Elizabeth is a B727 in full BA livery.
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 11:13
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Did not realise LH were back into Nairobi, thought they were only cargo MD11 on the Frankfurt - Joburg v NBO route, used to meet their crew in Serena Hotel on ocassions. If I had to come down there I would look at using them to avoid LHR as northern UK based - in theory, as I go fishing at Hemingways Malindi some times in the winter. You are correct the BA 737 were Comair as I now re call, I think they may have packed up in about 2004 as I do not remember seeing them after that. As for KL and Delph pottery Gin houses, I think my wife has a street in her study - all still full as well !
Just noted that LH are operating A340-300 on the service. My experiance of that model of 340 is not great, would think it will be quite a long take off role from Nairobi with altitude and outside temps at certain times of the year. Have heard many jokes about the climbing rate, some suggestions about the curviture of the planet being involved !

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