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Regards to your low-fuel buddy.
I was told he is still your boss only now in the sandpitt!?
good riddens!
I was told he is still your boss only now in the sandpitt!?
good riddens!
As for low-fuel buddy? Ummm sounds interesting! Must have been after my time.
Yep pity about the debarcle at Link...could a certain JVJ have anything to do with this low morale?
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Guys & Gals Leaving Link?
YES - at last we can apply and get a job closer to home!
I'd rather have a "SH!T" job than Nothing!
I'd rather be working from somewhere close to home than from a Sh!tty hole somewhere north?
I'd rather fly a J41 that is reasonably maintained than a contract plane below MEL!
Stirred?
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I'd rather have a "SH!T" job than Nothing!
I'd rather be working from somewhere close to home than from a Sh!tty hole somewhere north?
I'd rather fly a J41 that is reasonably maintained than a contract plane below MEL!
Stirred?
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Lots of beech but still a bum
Must have been after my time.
Memory loss is bliss!?
Good thing that some pubications like the Aviation and Safety Magazine don't reach the Arab world!?
Don't worry your secret is save..., won't tell anybody..., ups!
Damn, the Aviation-Industry is a small place, hey?
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Setron,
Totally off topic with reference to the thread. Live no where near the desert....went no where near the ERJ135 which I think you are referring to and still reside in GP working for the fellas across the Charlie apron.
Anyway I seem to remember high speed descents into Cape Town by a certain training captain or other but fella it ain't me so somewhere along the line you must have your wires crossed.
So be it and believe what you want. I drove J41's.........and 240kts was the order of the day. But my memory fades as it was a long time ago!
Totally off topic with reference to the thread. Live no where near the desert....went no where near the ERJ135 which I think you are referring to and still reside in GP working for the fellas across the Charlie apron.
Anyway I seem to remember high speed descents into Cape Town by a certain training captain or other but fella it ain't me so somewhere along the line you must have your wires crossed.
So be it and believe what you want. I drove J41's.........and 240kts was the order of the day. But my memory fades as it was a long time ago!
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Miserable wages
I know of plenty pilots who fly 'heavy metal' at places like Emirates or Cathay, they too 'winge' terribly about how they are treated. However, the one very big difference between an AirLink driver and those guys is, when they get to the end of the month their contorted faces relax for a moment as they open their pay slips!
I remain curious as to why so many aviation companies, not all, decide (and it must be a deliberate decision) to treat their pilots so badly? Do you think they make more money by treating their pilots so badly? Does anyone have input? Anyone other than desk-jockeys posing as pilots that is.....
I remain curious as to why so many aviation companies, not all, decide (and it must be a deliberate decision) to treat their pilots so badly? Do you think they make more money by treating their pilots so badly? Does anyone have input? Anyone other than desk-jockeys posing as pilots that is.....
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Strangely enough, I know of at least one ex-NTW driver who turned down even the interview with Link, despite not having a definite job organised. He does have another career to fall back on though I suppose.
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nemesis mk1, I bet you will be happy when everyone accepts your bull.
Employees despise management and the loathing is set to continue. (Despite a feeble attempt to act differently, Tin-Tin.) Every one agrees that Link used to be a good company until JVJ joined. The big blind emperor without clothes. Blissfully ignorant.
On the economical front, my dear nemesis mk1, you clearly have little knowledge about economics. You fail to recognise that the factors mentioned in this threat (alleged bad maintenance, alleged decrease in training abilities, high staff turnover, reduction in staff morale, lower productivity, less experienced staff, alleged illegal activities) are all a result of the business policy. If you couple this with the micro economics of the airline industry and the overall macro economic policy of the country, you can definitely not blame the “masses”. They are the ones trying to stop Link from making big mistakes. When they stop complaining and taking you to task, then you should even be more worried as now the company is happily operating in its dubious framework.
I wonder –the allegations in this threat could imply premeditation and negligence should something go wrong. Would the passenger on a scary flight be able to hold The Investors, JVJ and RF accountable in their personal capacity due to their knowledge that a disaster (or even just an incident) is impending and not doing anything about it? Or will it be the lonely pilot (who did not moan or question authority) left holding the bag of @#$ while seeing the back of JVJ and RF as they run from the scene?
And Vortexgen300, I still don’t know why you’re here since you don’t even work for Link?
Employees despise management and the loathing is set to continue. (Despite a feeble attempt to act differently, Tin-Tin.) Every one agrees that Link used to be a good company until JVJ joined. The big blind emperor without clothes. Blissfully ignorant.
On the economical front, my dear nemesis mk1, you clearly have little knowledge about economics. You fail to recognise that the factors mentioned in this threat (alleged bad maintenance, alleged decrease in training abilities, high staff turnover, reduction in staff morale, lower productivity, less experienced staff, alleged illegal activities) are all a result of the business policy. If you couple this with the micro economics of the airline industry and the overall macro economic policy of the country, you can definitely not blame the “masses”. They are the ones trying to stop Link from making big mistakes. When they stop complaining and taking you to task, then you should even be more worried as now the company is happily operating in its dubious framework.
I wonder –the allegations in this threat could imply premeditation and negligence should something go wrong. Would the passenger on a scary flight be able to hold The Investors, JVJ and RF accountable in their personal capacity due to their knowledge that a disaster (or even just an incident) is impending and not doing anything about it? Or will it be the lonely pilot (who did not moan or question authority) left holding the bag of @#$ while seeing the back of JVJ and RF as they run from the scene?
And Vortexgen300, I still don’t know why you’re here since you don’t even work for Link?
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suitcaseman:
BS! everybody knows JVJ! Are you flying around on the dark side of the moon?
Fat Funny:
Lets hear it, but not the usual unfounded stuff!
beechbum:
Not that far off if you think a little about how the whole thing realy started!
You can blame management untill you are blue (virgin blue?) but then also blame the buddy's from the "Jetstream-Union" at the time!
How to piss of your boss in one easy step?
Try to get him thrown into the can!!! Hey?
So who started the 3 WW?
The biggest c
ts are gone now.
For JVJ,... Isn't it great to have another hate-pet? Who else would be there ? NUV (nemesis mk1)? How long will you ride that dead horse?
Sure you will also find something to moan about that Francois(?)- dude!?
Back to promotion beechbum:
Did I see this correct?
Was there an ad about a C-pilot position for Airlink in the newspaper?
Thought they had one already; and a realy pretty one for the first time in their history!
Apparently she did so far an excellent job!?
Any current insiders that can give a clear picture on this?
I dont even know who JVJ is!
BS! everybody knows JVJ! Are you flying around on the dark side of the moon?
Fat Funny:
illegal activities
beechbum:
Totally off topic
You can blame management untill you are blue (virgin blue?) but then also blame the buddy's from the "Jetstream-Union" at the time!
How to piss of your boss in one easy step?
Try to get him thrown into the can!!! Hey?
So who started the 3 WW?
The biggest c
ts are gone now.For JVJ,... Isn't it great to have another hate-pet? Who else would be there ? NUV (nemesis mk1)? How long will you ride that dead horse?
Sure you will also find something to moan about that Francois(?)- dude!?
Back to promotion beechbum:
Did I see this correct?
Was there an ad about a C-pilot position for Airlink in the newspaper?
Thought they had one already; and a realy pretty one for the first time in their history!
Apparently she did so far an excellent job!?
Any current insiders that can give a clear picture on this?
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Truth or Myth?
I notice a lot of 'personal' accusations going on here on this thread. No doubt a lot of pilots against a lot of "wannabe" pilots who didn't make it and now enjoy life by hating and grinding their axes against guys who did make it......Such a shame, wasted talent.
I further wonder if Rf or JVJ or maybe the original 'Bean-Counter' O.P. might be able to shed some light.~ Is parking aircraft due to crew shortages more lucrative than paying your pilots sufficiently to retain them? Oh, I forgot..... even if you DO pay them properly (F.....g pilots), they will leave ANYWAY! Silly me, how could I forget????
Now where are we going to get experienced captains from for the J41? Well, we simply promote the next in line! Experience? Why?? They (experienced captains) just demand more money! So pay the little extra premium to the insurance company for low time captains! It's cheaper than paying an experienced captain. After all, it's all about LOOT. Loot for the company that is. You as a pilot, no loot. I give you a job, be satisfied with that! No loot, no life. But you've got a job. Now you go and be happy with that!
I further wonder if Rf or JVJ or maybe the original 'Bean-Counter' O.P. might be able to shed some light.~ Is parking aircraft due to crew shortages more lucrative than paying your pilots sufficiently to retain them? Oh, I forgot..... even if you DO pay them properly (F.....g pilots), they will leave ANYWAY! Silly me, how could I forget????
Now where are we going to get experienced captains from for the J41? Well, we simply promote the next in line! Experience? Why?? They (experienced captains) just demand more money! So pay the little extra premium to the insurance company for low time captains! It's cheaper than paying an experienced captain. After all, it's all about LOOT. Loot for the company that is. You as a pilot, no loot. I give you a job, be satisfied with that! No loot, no life. But you've got a job. Now you go and be happy with that!
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policy governing crew duty during live roster
Airport reserve:
The crewmemeber is required to report for duty in full uniform with night stop bag. The crewmember is required to sign on and off according to the operational manual. The crewmember may be assigned other company duties during Airport reserve and may only leave the crew area / other duty area with the permission of the OCC Controller or respective area manager.
jvj have your head checked please. The pilots are not going to sit at the airport on an airport reserve at all. Nevermind doing Clair's daughters school projects as so called other company duty(Like the hosties have to). Seriously cant you go and ruin another airline somewhere else and leave us alone. Pleeeeeeeeaaase p off!!! You have reached your sell by date. It is getting very lame now.
The crewmemeber is required to report for duty in full uniform with night stop bag. The crewmember is required to sign on and off according to the operational manual. The crewmember may be assigned other company duties during Airport reserve and may only leave the crew area / other duty area with the permission of the OCC Controller or respective area manager.jvj have your head checked please. The pilots are not going to sit at the airport on an airport reserve at all. Nevermind doing Clair's daughters school projects as so called other company duty(Like the hosties have to). Seriously cant you go and ruin another airline somewhere else and leave us alone. Pleeeeeeeeaaase p
off!!! You have reached your sell by date. It is getting very lame now.
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Most low-time pilots these days are a bunch of spoilt brats.
What happened to the days when one learnt to fly and pursued an aviation career for the love of flying and aviation.
Now all one sees on Pprune and Avcom are pilots bitching and moaning about their companies and their pay. Brand new flight instructors complain about earning R150 per hour, which is between R12,000 and R15,000 a month at a decent flight school. Then student pilots moan about flight school rates being too expensive. Does a flight school owner not have the right to make a profit?
Then we get to an airline such as Airlink. Pilots are hired into what is a stepping stone airline. RF knows that more than 90% of the pilots joining his airline intend moving on to bigger and better when they have the opportunity. Additionally, RF was hit by 9/11 at the worst possible time, and kudos to him for keeping the airline afloat. And for those who begrudge him for having a B200 and a fancy car, that money came from other sources long before Airlink was started. When you join Airlink you know what type of an operation it is so live with it and deal with it until you move on to your next career position. If you think that you can run the operation better than RF then go meet with him and tell him how you would do it - he is always one to listen, even if he may disagree with you.
As for JVJ, that is probably the worst move RF could have made and the sooner he wakes up to that and gives JVJ the boot, the better!!
What happened to the days when one learnt to fly and pursued an aviation career for the love of flying and aviation.
Now all one sees on Pprune and Avcom are pilots bitching and moaning about their companies and their pay. Brand new flight instructors complain about earning R150 per hour, which is between R12,000 and R15,000 a month at a decent flight school. Then student pilots moan about flight school rates being too expensive. Does a flight school owner not have the right to make a profit?
Then we get to an airline such as Airlink. Pilots are hired into what is a stepping stone airline. RF knows that more than 90% of the pilots joining his airline intend moving on to bigger and better when they have the opportunity. Additionally, RF was hit by 9/11 at the worst possible time, and kudos to him for keeping the airline afloat. And for those who begrudge him for having a B200 and a fancy car, that money came from other sources long before Airlink was started. When you join Airlink you know what type of an operation it is so live with it and deal with it until you move on to your next career position. If you think that you can run the operation better than RF then go meet with him and tell him how you would do it - he is always one to listen, even if he may disagree with you.
As for JVJ, that is probably the worst move RF could have made and the sooner he wakes up to that and gives JVJ the boot, the better!!
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TOO BAD,
Well said mate. That is it in a nutshell. Few are willing to "pay the school fees" these days. I come across guys every day who have never flown a piston, except for the first 200hrs of training. If they are not on a jet by the time they have 400hrs, they think their career is over.
RF is entitled to his toys. He has been in aviation longer than a lot of his pilots. ( He still however has a duty to take due care of his employees. )
PS( I met a wide-body, long haul capt the other day, who did not know what a DC3 was??
Where has the passion for Aviation gone?)
Well said mate. That is it in a nutshell. Few are willing to "pay the school fees" these days. I come across guys every day who have never flown a piston, except for the first 200hrs of training. If they are not on a jet by the time they have 400hrs, they think their career is over.
RF is entitled to his toys. He has been in aviation longer than a lot of his pilots. ( He still however has a duty to take due care of his employees. )
PS( I met a wide-body, long haul capt the other day, who did not know what a DC3 was??
Where has the passion for Aviation gone?)
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Even with all that has been said, I would really love to join Airlink and crack into the airline market! 
Could anyone please tell me,realistically, what the minimum requirements are to join as an F/o? ie. twin time, turbine time, total time. Are they still taking in crew at the moment? Is there alot of applicants?
Thanks!
Could anyone please tell me,realistically, what the minimum requirements are to join as an F/o? ie. twin time, turbine time, total time. Are they still taking in crew at the moment? Is there alot of applicants?
Thanks!
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I tell you days of our lives and bold and beautiful have nothing on this thread. TV producers should get their script writers to read this lot, would win lots of oscars. Very entertaining stuff , please carry on.
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A very well written post. Do you think we should just sit back and watch it all go down the tubes. Yes, Link was always a stepping stone, however the recent addition of larger aircraft and pay increases make it a more viable career prospect. The implementation of a carreer path policy also helps in that department. Many brave chaps stood up to management and faught for it. This clown jvj has done more damage to the company than any new recruit could ever imagine. Just the older guys will know how fantastic it was. Anyway, it is fast becomeing a stepping stone judging by the rate people are leaving and planning on leaving. The policies jvj are trying to implement are simply outrageous. But now onto a more pressing matter- jvj can you please take a bath or shower, you really stink! (that is not a figure of speach)
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Lets see how RF and JvJ stand up to $139 a barrel.
They operate a 4 engined jet with the largest carbon foot print in its class, also happen to have a 37 seater with the fuel flows of a 50 seater.
In a discussion about 3 yrs ago, RF told me that at $80 a barrel he would be better off giving the 135's back and getting a whole fleet of E170/190, not BAe145's.
I see some doggy dodo hitting the fan sometime soon.
They operate a 4 engined jet with the largest carbon foot print in its class, also happen to have a 37 seater with the fuel flows of a 50 seater.
In a discussion about 3 yrs ago, RF told me that at $80 a barrel he would be better off giving the 135's back and getting a whole fleet of E170/190, not BAe145's.
I see some doggy dodo hitting the fan sometime soon.
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$139 a barrel.
Now that is another can of worms. This is not the best time to treat the pilots the way JVJ does. The smallest change in flying technique can cost a lot more money than descent crew meals. JVJ just doesn't seem to get the picture. Unhappy crew costs you money!!! Now on top of that he wants to pay the pilots per flying hour. Only JVJ can be that stupid. A leg can very easily lengthen by a few minutes. Flying to the rule is almost istantly guaranteed. Multiply that by the 100 odd legs per month/pilot and JVJ will have proven just how incredibly stupid he really is. Well done. If RF doesn't fire you after that silly descission then you must have some hold on him. PS: Who will the next chief pilot be. What will his/her relation to you be? Will you also interview him/her like you interview the hosties and new pilots. Well done on your wet lease instructors from the UK. Hear that no link instructor is willing to sign the students type ratings. Another clever JVJ move. NON CAA approved training by NON CAA approved instructors. How do you get that one past CAA. Are their training bonds still valid. Wonder what a court of law will say about that one. A real share holders dream you are! RF must be proud!!!
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PS, a 3 NDB approach into Maritzburg isn't rocket science
Hear that no link instructor is willing to sign the students type ratings.