Jetstar roadshow in Jan `08?

[ByAirMail]

In the late 1980's S.A.A. Cargo, through SAFAIR, got some cheap Russian crew's to run AN 32's on night freight to Durban and up and down the coast.
We as pilots complain bitterly to ALPA-SA.

How can we employ pilots who was prepare to work for a chance to get out of the East block stay in cheap accommodation, low allowance etc. was the big out cry.

Now we cannot understand that the Aussies are upset at us interfering and undermining their domestic situation??

[trubru]

Spot on, Flyboy!

[Solid Rust Twotter]

Cheap shot at Nigeria uncalled for, mate.

[Q4NVS]

Gondwalla

Just a few points of order mate:

The wheels are in motion guys to stop you people screwing our industry here. Either stay in SA or go to EK....dont come to OZ you are not welcome!

It was Jet* that came to SA with a roadshow and not SAA Crew that went to Jet* with a roadshow.

Oh by the way would SAA offer an Aussie a job?????

The Government owned airline that I work for, has recently (4 or 5 months) appointed an Aussie (and a young one at that).

Now stop your harping, hit the books, get your PPL and apply for the REX and/or QantasLink scholarship...

[777Contrail]

Before AIPA can do ANYTHING, the J* pilots will have to vote down the present EPA, get rid of the JPC and all walk over to AIPA.

THEN, AIPA will have to face the fact that J* advertised in Oz and all over the globe for Ozzie pilots - but didn't get takers.

The J* management went through the due process BEFORE starting to recruit o/s for "scab" labour.

If you have a problem with o/s pilots, talk to the management. They are recruiting (like Skippers and Regional Surveilance), the Saffer pilots aren't forcing ANYONE out of a job.

I did the interview in Cape Town and I'm more than willing to relocate (again), take a knock for a couple of years (worst case) and move on with life.

I have a feeling the Oz pilots that are complaining about the Saffers are (1) Qantas f/o's wanting a command at J* (2) Low hour GA pilots wanting a fast track into a jet (3) a few J* pliots that believe that although the Australian industry is short of 1800 ALTP's THIS YEAR, 100 Saffers will oversaturate the market!

[777Contrail]

Two Ozzie pilots fly for the SA company I used to work for.

Neither bothered to apply to J*.

You see, they can alway move back home if the cookie crumbles in SA.

The rest of the Saffers have to take the gaps as they present themselves.

[Alternate Law]

I thought it was the sheep who are meant to be nervous in Oz - not the sub-10 000 hour crowd..

[loveflying737]

Yarpies.
The AIPA president will meet with the minister for immigration and the minister for transport in the next two weeks to question the 457 visa loophole.
Jetstar has to prove there is a shortage of skilled applicants and prove they are training Australians before 457 visas will be issued.
The wheels are in motion guys to stop you people screwing our industry here. Either stay in SA or go to EK....dont come to OZ you are not welcome

Yeh and I am sure that Jet* don't know what is required of them. They have been recruiting for a substantial amount of time. After exhausting all avenues to find "suitably qualified" pilots they have resorted to employing pilots on 457 visas. Are you (or AIPA) sure that they have not done their homework.

Does anyone suppose that Jet* has gone ahead with this option without getting the necessary approvals.

[Golf_Seirra]

Out of interest, what are the poor salaries been offered in Oz that the guys are arguing about ? In SA, low cost airline terms, a P2 737 earns around USD 2,300 take home pay. For some chaps, it's a step up the ladder to move to Oz, even if the salary level is low for locals.....for others it's the chance to catch the ferry before it's too late.

Maybe the bottom of this is command slots.....no-one really gives a toss about the FO's anyway.....

[Go Right Ahead]

Xenephobe

Trubru and Gautengflyboy, thats a bit rich coming from you guys. Trubru, the word Abo is shortened for Aboriginals, what is "Kaffa" short for. Although not PC, many people refer to the Aboriginals or Indigenous Australians as Abo's. I have Aboriginal friends who introduce themselves as Abo's(yes i know its not a nice word and i would never introduce them as such). I had the opportunity to have some drinks and Braai's with a few SA guys i know and once the liquor is flowing their true characters came out, i was so embarassed to see people still think like that in these day and age. After a couple of these get togethers, i figured these guys are not going to change hence i broke off all contact with them.
G/flyboy, you mention about intregration and we should be proud Saffa's want to be part of Oz and making similarities between us. Mate, my experience and many guys I speak with on the flightdeck including those who went to Africa to build hours think you are a bunch of racists. It's only recently that you can see a black walking together hands in hands with a white in SA, even that's gets a look by many of you Saffa's. All im saying is there might be a few Bigots in Oz, however there are only a few non-bigots in the Saffa crowd.
How can you make comparisons, the spirit of us Aussies to "Give 'em a fair go", hence why you see many immigrants succeeding eg the Mayor of Melbourne been an Asian gentleman. History shows prior to Robben island opening its doors, all the top jobs went to the Boets or Boerer(forgive the spelling), a qualified coulored person could not even dream of such a job. Those that did get a job you could count on one hand and this is slightly over 10yrs ago.
Anyway back to the post.......

GRA

[trubru]

Huh?

In various contexts, the terms "xenophobia" and "racism" seem to be used interchangeably, though they have wholly different meanings (xenophobia being based on place of birth, racism being based on ancestry). For example: to dislike a black person from France because they are French is xenophobic, but to dislike them because they are black is racist.

I was merely referring to Gondwalla's post about us "SAFFA's" not being welcome over there and I still believe Xenophobe would be the right term for him!

Unfortunately for you I've never made any reference to Abo's or made any other racial statement. An apology from your side would be appreciated mate.

I'd like to have a braai with you sometime to see your true colours... bet your not squeaky clean either.

Back to the thread: Any new news from Jet* about our direct entry positions boys?

[skyvan]

A few months ago, as I went through the process of deciding where to go, as my country (sorry, not my country, because I'm white...I can't be an african!), I laid out the options to my family. My good lady refused point blank tp even consider Australia. She seems to think that many Aussies are anal and arrogant. I wonder where she got that idea from

So we are going to the big beach, bucket and spade packed and ready to go!

[Solid Rust Twotter]

It's a pity we have these misconceptions about each other. Most Ozmates i've met and worked with have been decent folks, as are most Saffers. I guess it only takes one or two twonks to cement a myth in place.

[777Contrail]

[Go Right Ahead]

Apology TruBru

Trubru i do apologise as that part of my post was directed at Reptile not you, however with a comment like this:

I'd like to have a braai with you sometime to see your true colours... bet your not squeaky clean either.

You are admitting you have skeletons in your closet mate. You are welcome to come and have a bbq with me and my mates anytime, just a word of warning though. I live a very multicultural life and my friends might be the reason you would not come back again, Yep you would certainly see my true colours and the colours of my friends. I said it earlier about going to some SA boys bbq's and from your comment it clearly shows you would fit in with them very well. I have nothing to hide mate, what you see is what you get, unfortunately not same can be said about the SAFFA's i met. I guess that why you SAFFA's have such a tight little community and only hang around each other. Would you say thats because you were excluded from partaking with the rest of the western world for so many years?

Skyvan, good thing you decided not to come. Saves you dealing with us Anal and Arrogant bastards. Seems your good lady knows where she wouldnt feel welcome.

[777Contrail]

Somehow this thread has devolved into a type of mudslinging contest of "who's been the worst towards the natives, and still is the worst even today!".

J* management decided to recruit pilots (and other operational staff) from airlines all over the globe.

When they came to South Africa, they found a bunch of willing people who can actually speak some English, and that were in great need of a safe haven for their families.

I have been to most places around the world and, although I have a half dozen other options, I would prefer a job in Australia for my family's sake.

Back to Africa is becoming a non-option, more every day...............

[trubru]

Cheque please!

[reptile]

Originally Posted by Go Right Ahead

…part of my post was directed at Reptile..

Just to straighten things out. I was no referring to the “Abo” bit in the original post - although I personally find the word Abo to be extremely derogatory - but to the fact that the post implies that all Aboriginals are lazy. Making a statement like “even if SAA could get an abo off his arse...” is racist, plain and simple.

You need to keep in mind that many of the South Africans - and I am certainly not implying that this was the case for everyone- who emigrated to Australia in the mid nineties, did so because they could not accept the political changes taking place in South Africa at that time. I am therefore not in the least surprised that certain racial prejudices among them surface from time to time.

I am however offended by your statement that all white South Africans are racists. I won’t hold it against you, because had you known me personally, you would never have written something as stupid as you just did.

[Q4NVS]

I had the opportunity to have some drinks and Braai's with a few SA guys

And I once walked past a book store, about 3 years ago...That made me an instant "Expert" on ALL Topics, Organisms and Cultures.

Simply put M8, you DO NOT have a clue. So I suggest you put a cork in it.

When you really do feel the urge to grind your axe of newly found wisdom, why not start with your Rugby Team first, HaHa!

[777Contrail]

So, anyone heard anything from J*?

I was told that I've moved on to "stage 5".

They will now check my references.

Must be a good sign!

Well Grant737, are you on your way to the airport yet?