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Well said, brother. 
We'll see what's going to happen to KQ. I hope the management will make the right decisions.
KQ came a long way since the nineteeneighties, when it was just one big collection of junk, until it became the modern Pride Of Africa of today.
Hopefully, KALPA and Cpt. Mwangi will come to the conclusion, that it's better to keep up with other airlines, than to chose the easy way by sitting back and relaxing.
Corruption has its way much too often in Kenya, helping few but harming many.
We'll see what's going to happen to KQ. I hope the management will make the right decisions.
KQ came a long way since the nineteeneighties, when it was just one big collection of junk, until it became the modern Pride Of Africa of today.
Hopefully, KALPA and Cpt. Mwangi will come to the conclusion, that it's better to keep up with other airlines, than to chose the easy way by sitting back and relaxing.
Corruption has its way much too often in Kenya, helping few but harming many.
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I recently applied for an ab initio traineeship spot with Kenya Airways. I'd greatly appreciate it if any of the previous beneficiaries posted replies on the whole process and training. I've heard that the time frame for a response from KQ could be upto a year. Thanks
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Simba,
Swahili doesnt have as extensive a vocabulary as other languages so as you know inference and usage is used, so your use of (wa)mzungu in this context and inference was clearly meant in a racist way. Your claims otherwise may fool people on here but not those in the know. Get back in your paranoid clueless talentless chippy village.
I had a great 12 years taking your jobs, blocking the progression of the magendo pilots and encouraging the talented ones.
there are a few more tourists alive to tell the tale as a result. Thanks I had fun, oh i even managed to shag quite a few of your women as well in the days when they were a good shag.
You are welcome to the left overs...nugu. Dont forget your gum boots.
Swahili doesnt have as extensive a vocabulary as other languages so as you know inference and usage is used, so your use of (wa)mzungu in this context and inference was clearly meant in a racist way. Your claims otherwise may fool people on here but not those in the know. Get back in your paranoid clueless talentless chippy village.
I had a great 12 years taking your jobs, blocking the progression of the magendo pilots and encouraging the talented ones.
there are a few more tourists alive to tell the tale as a result. Thanks I had fun, oh i even managed to shag quite a few of your women as well in the days when they were a good shag.
You are welcome to the left overs...nugu. Dont forget your gum boots.
? I will be a very happy man when am back home in kenya where I trully belong. Guest
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Simba, why don't you get back to the Carnivore, have another Tusker, dream about some chicks you'd like to have, and admire the fact that you're such a cool guy. And then go to the Florida and enjoy some more of your favorite chicks.
And please just stay there.
Because nobody here in this thread takes your comments serious anymore after that bar-talk you entertain us with. Go on to some government offices and cry, if you like; however, I believe that even the cleaning-lady at Nyayo House is going to laugh at you.
For the future, my advice to you is to read other people's postings PROPERLY, before you start abusing anyone or waste our time with inappropriate and offensive replies.
And you may save yourself the effort to send me yet another answer, because I'm not going to read it.
And please just stay there.
Because nobody here in this thread takes your comments serious anymore after that bar-talk you entertain us with. Go on to some government offices and cry, if you like; however, I believe that even the cleaning-lady at Nyayo House is going to laugh at you.
For the future, my advice to you is to read other people's postings PROPERLY, before you start abusing anyone or waste our time with inappropriate and offensive replies.
And you may save yourself the effort to send me yet another answer, because I'm not going to read it.
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Simba Kali, U do your fellow Kenyans a diservice when you open your mouth on this thread! U have completely lost what this thread was about, you opinions on what U think about other nationalities is not needed. Your obviously a very angry person. So you are building time here, believe me, your not doing a job I don't want, because unlike you living off of Daddy's money, I have done all those jobs working up to where I am now! Do us all a favor and lose this thread, go and bother some other forum
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Right then , back to the topic.
Kalpa are playing a protectionists game but for all the wrong reasons.
This is demonstrated in the fact that more Kenyan nationals are disadvantaged than the small amount of foreigners that may be needed occaisionally on fixed term interim contracts.
When I was resident of 17 years in the region and 12 in Kenya it was impossible for me to think of applying to KQ. However certain people who became citizens were. They were not true citizens, just as foreign as me but willing to pay on many levels. If my immigration status, qualifications are all legal it is pure discrimination.
Now the rub..Fine but you area foreigner some might say. But what about the young lad from the wrong tribe, hes is fecked. TKK still rules and I can move on but the next generation of pilots shouldnt be discriminated against.
If I came back to kenya , it would be as a trainer or short term driver until the available workforce was up to standard or suficient in numbers or both.
The occasional use of foreign crew is not an abdication of sovereignty just an expiditious tactic.
The abuse of the work permit sysytem is the fault of TKK Kalpa should be exposed for the protectionist mafia it is. Protectionist for the wazee that is not Kenyans.
Kalpa are playing a protectionists game but for all the wrong reasons.
This is demonstrated in the fact that more Kenyan nationals are disadvantaged than the small amount of foreigners that may be needed occaisionally on fixed term interim contracts.
When I was resident of 17 years in the region and 12 in Kenya it was impossible for me to think of applying to KQ. However certain people who became citizens were. They were not true citizens, just as foreign as me but willing to pay on many levels. If my immigration status, qualifications are all legal it is pure discrimination.
Now the rub..Fine but you area foreigner some might say. But what about the young lad from the wrong tribe, hes is fecked. TKK still rules and I can move on but the next generation of pilots shouldnt be discriminated against.
If I came back to kenya , it would be as a trainer or short term driver until the available workforce was up to standard or suficient in numbers or both.
The occasional use of foreign crew is not an abdication of sovereignty just an expiditious tactic.
The abuse of the work permit sysytem is the fault of TKK Kalpa should be exposed for the protectionist mafia it is. Protectionist for the wazee that is not Kenyans.
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4HP thanks for letting us have our topic back.
Bushbolox , Could not have put it better myself , but I was resident for 25 years ! I think it would be nice if a few people realised that it is possible for someone who does not hold a Kenya passport to actually love the country where they spent their formative years ie 3-28 !!
I just thought it would be nice to spend my last 2-3 years flying back where I started ,helping KQ continue its great progress ,and find my retirement rondavel at the coast ! Don' t want any more money than anybody else either.
All I want for Christmas...................
Bushbolox , Could not have put it better myself , but I was resident for 25 years ! I think it would be nice if a few people realised that it is possible for someone who does not hold a Kenya passport to actually love the country where they spent their formative years ie 3-28 !!
I just thought it would be nice to spend my last 2-3 years flying back where I started ,helping KQ continue its great progress ,and find my retirement rondavel at the coast ! Don' t want any more money than anybody else either.
All I want for Christmas...................
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............. is to come back to NBO! 
Same as me. I was in Kenya for many, many years. I went to school there, and my best friends live in Nairobi.
My passport is just a piece of paper, but my real home is definitely Kenya. Working for KQ would therefore not be just a job for me, but it would be my "return ticket" to get back.
However, despite good contacts and despite having met Cpt.Ouma and Cpt.Mwangi in person several times, it was simply impossible to get any further. So after 14 years of trying, I'm not giving up, but I have come to realize that I shouldn't expect any miracles to happen.
But anyway: Dear Santa.........
Same as me. I was in Kenya for many, many years. I went to school there, and my best friends live in Nairobi.
My passport is just a piece of paper, but my real home is definitely Kenya. Working for KQ would therefore not be just a job for me, but it would be my "return ticket" to get back.
However, despite good contacts and despite having met Cpt.Ouma and Cpt.Mwangi in person several times, it was simply impossible to get any further. So after 14 years of trying, I'm not giving up, but I have come to realize that I shouldn't expect any miracles to happen.
But anyway: Dear Santa.........
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Oh dear. Well, since you mention that you need to apply for a visa, I take it that you are not Kenyan.
In this case, this thread should answer your question about becoming a professional pilot in Kenya. Read it, and weep!
There is no chance whatsoever in any East African airline for foreigners, and my advice is to forget about becoming a bush-pilot if you ever want to get into a serious airline later on in your life.
A visa will allow you to live in Kenya, but getting a work-permit (without buying it) is impossible. No respectable company will employ you without it.
Good luck if you want to try anyway, but I'm afraid no-one here can help you. Otherwise, we all would be there now ourselves.
But you're welcome to sign our letter to Santa Clause.
In this case, this thread should answer your question about becoming a professional pilot in Kenya. Read it, and weep!
There is no chance whatsoever in any East African airline for foreigners, and my advice is to forget about becoming a bush-pilot if you ever want to get into a serious airline later on in your life.
A visa will allow you to live in Kenya, but getting a work-permit (without buying it) is impossible. No respectable company will employ you without it.
Good luck if you want to try anyway, but I'm afraid no-one here can help you. Otherwise, we all would be there now ourselves.
But you're welcome to sign our letter to Santa Clause.
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Nightfire , how things have changed . I could name you 20-30 ex Wilsonites , bush pilots , whatever , who rose through the ranks of many a 'serious' airline such as BA , Cathay , Singapore, Virgin etc , even one who is now THE bwana makubwa of Austrian Airlines .
However , you may be right in that most 'serious' airlines now prefer to adopt , give birth to , mold some automaton/yesman/politically correct twerp ( who sometimes has precious little natural flying ability , something rarely lacking in a bushpilot ) into a company klingon spouting the company line.
You are not allowed to have an opinion or be a 'character' anymore.
Despite flying for a 'serious' airline myself , I have always been proud of , and miss very much those old days at Wilson and Malindi . Most of the klingons I have flown with cannot believe the stories and photos. Many actually regret not having had a 'life' in their career.
Long live the Aero Club.
However , you may be right in that most 'serious' airlines now prefer to adopt , give birth to , mold some automaton/yesman/politically correct twerp ( who sometimes has precious little natural flying ability , something rarely lacking in a bushpilot ) into a company klingon spouting the company line.
You are not allowed to have an opinion or be a 'character' anymore.
Despite flying for a 'serious' airline myself , I have always been proud of , and miss very much those old days at Wilson and Malindi . Most of the klingons I have flown with cannot believe the stories and photos. Many actually regret not having had a 'life' in their career.
Long live the Aero Club.
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ur amusing
Hey!
felt i should share my opinion,really fed up up of ur carismatick ways,is that spelt right?i speak for my self here we dont need any south african pilaks rocking up tellings us what to do,we cant get a job in the rainbow nation,so why should we catter for you repros,we are very happy and non racist people,but we'llmake sure the jobs are for us first before you!my advise stay were you are or go elsewere,iam sure theres a nation who love to hear africaans more than us,i think the rest Africa would probably agree,cheers have a castle for us!!!!!
felt i should share my opinion,really fed up up of ur carismatick ways,is that spelt right?i speak for my self here we dont need any south african pilaks rocking up tellings us what to do,we cant get a job in the rainbow nation,so why should we catter for you repros,we are very happy and non racist people,but we'llmake sure the jobs are for us first before you!my advise stay were you are or go elsewere,iam sure theres a nation who love to hear africaans more than us,i think the rest Africa
would probably agree,cheers have a castle for us!!!!!
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Well, Kotakota, I also learned to fly in Nairobi HKNW a long time ago. Did my first PPL there. Sure, it was great fun, the land is beautiful, the weather always good, there are unique places to fly to, and an empty airspace once you're past the Ngong Hills.
And no doubt do bush pilots know how to handle their aircraft.
But this is nothing to be compared to airline-operations. A heavy jet is not supposed to be handled the same way as a C414 or C208 or B350. Of course you can train (almost) anybody how to adhere to SOPs and to follow rules and regulations, if you invest enough time.
But a bush pilot is not the type of person an airline is looking for. I'm sure British Airways or Virgin Atlantic are not favoring applicants who proudly refer to themselves as "Kenya Cowboys".
Usually, it works the other way round. I know some airline pilots who have left the wide-body in order to work for the GA, for different motivations. One of the reasons, as you have mentioned, is looking for excitement and "real" flying. Which is what you will get.
But the other way round is rare.
It is not the same as in the USA where the normal way is to start in a small company on a turboprop and gradually work your way up.
European and Asian Airlines rather employ some abinitios; CPL-IFR pilots fresh from the flying school with 250 hours of 172-time. You call them "yesmen" and "politically correct twerps". Maybe you are partially right (although this depends on the wanted profile of the HR-department). But whatever: This just supports what I am saying, which is that most airlines are not looking for former safari-adventure-cowboy-carnivore pilots.
With all due respect for people working for MAF, Eagle, Precision Air, etc. - there are many guys who wish they could have the same kind of job. Especially when you're young, have no family, and are free to go wherever you like.
(I was just giving some advice to a newcomer, whose post has just vanished. Maybe he changed his mind.)
And no doubt do bush pilots know how to handle their aircraft.
But this is nothing to be compared to airline-operations. A heavy jet is not supposed to be handled the same way as a C414 or C208 or B350. Of course you can train (almost) anybody how to adhere to SOPs and to follow rules and regulations, if you invest enough time.
But a bush pilot is not the type of person an airline is looking for. I'm sure British Airways or Virgin Atlantic are not favoring applicants who proudly refer to themselves as "Kenya Cowboys".
Usually, it works the other way round. I know some airline pilots who have left the wide-body in order to work for the GA, for different motivations. One of the reasons, as you have mentioned, is looking for excitement and "real" flying. Which is what you will get.
But the other way round is rare.
It is not the same as in the USA where the normal way is to start in a small company on a turboprop and gradually work your way up.
European and Asian Airlines rather employ some abinitios; CPL-IFR pilots fresh from the flying school with 250 hours of 172-time. You call them "yesmen" and "politically correct twerps". Maybe you are partially right (although this depends on the wanted profile of the HR-department). But whatever: This just supports what I am saying, which is that most airlines are not looking for former safari-adventure-cowboy-carnivore pilots.
With all due respect for people working for MAF, Eagle, Precision Air, etc. - there are many guys who wish they could have the same kind of job. Especially when you're young, have no family, and are free to go wherever you like.
(I was just giving some advice to a newcomer, whose post has just vanished. Maybe he changed his mind.)
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4 the ab initio, u need a bachelors degree. they prefer one in engineering esp aeronautical.then u need a B+ grade in maths, physics,geography,english and overall. they did applicatioins last november.u apply for it next time but continue working on ua aviation degree like i do.my uncle is a captain there on 767 n he tells me the best way is for one to maliza ua degree, then it would be easier for him to hook me up with the chief pilot whos the hiring guru.owise joining them on ua own is hard. lazima ujue atlist one senior captain. so my advice to u is ask even ua parents to uaself make sure u get in touch with a senior captain n be friends with him or even his kids n get to know him for so long as u train. wen u maliza skul he will really help u get the kq job.
