Cape Town SAA A346
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From: Joburg
Sounds like the Captain turned the nosewheels all the way to the right whilst stationary and then applied to much power to start moving and the excess thrust caused the nosewheels to lose traction and that's why the aircraft ended up where it did.
Apparently the A340-600 needs forward movement before attempting a sharp turn.
Apparently the A340-600 needs forward movement before attempting a sharp turn.
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From: **** you PPRUNE!
Another A346 has tasted the dust, Iberia at Quito, no injuries this time either.
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From: Sandy Surroundings!
Nice one Oom Kaspaas - Sandy Tyson. Was this individual not involved in "slapping" some fellow crew member a while back?
Sound like she slipped pass the psychos, or are these not required anymore for command at SAA?
Everyone is whining how difficult it is to taxi one of these - horse s
t. A Cessna 185 is difficult to taxi, but you are trained to do it safely! If you screw up the technique, then maybe you should not be flying the -600, let alone taxi it!!!
Sound like she slipped pass the psychos, or are these not required anymore for command at SAA?
Everyone is whining how difficult it is to taxi one of these - horse s
t. A Cessna 185 is difficult to taxi, but you are trained to do it safely! If you screw up the technique, then maybe you should not be flying the -600, let alone taxi it!!!
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From: everywhere
Yes. The "Tyson" comes from the slapping the cabin crew incident.
There has also been incidents of her shouting at the dispatchers, in front of all the other crews signing on, because the dispatcher doing her flight hadn't marked one of the flight plans as " Office Copy".
There has also been incidents of her shouting at the dispatchers, in front of all the other crews signing on, because the dispatcher doing her flight hadn't marked one of the flight plans as " Office Copy".
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From: Johannesburg
Oom Kaspaas and all...
This is my first post and I have to tell you that, for an industry that is historically short in the female department, there sure are a lot of bitches!!!
Handbags at high noon gentlemen?
And that's coming from a man!
This is my first post and I have to tell you that, for an industry that is historically short in the female department, there sure are a lot of bitches!!!
Handbags at high noon gentlemen?
And that's coming from a man!
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From: South Africa
This is not about the personality or the gender!
I have been flying this machine for 4 years.
My first impressions after my Toulouse conversion was "if you can taxi this thing you can fly it!"
Cut her some slack, this was going to happen, some place, some time! AND it's going to happen again!
I have been flying this machine for 4 years.
My first impressions after my Toulouse conversion was "if you can taxi this thing you can fly it!"
Cut her some slack, this was going to happen, some place, some time! AND it's going to happen again!
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From: south africa
Actually Twinjock - whith reference to your C185 analogy - one of the best aerobatic pilots in South Africa ground looped his taildragger awhile ago. So is he a s***t pilot now? Or did he simply make a mistake?
By your standard maybe he should stop flying.
Hope you'll be applying those same standards when next you screw up.
By your standard maybe he should stop flying.
Hope you'll be applying those same standards when next you screw up.
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From: HAHAHEHE LAND
A GRAND OLD DUTCH NAVIGATOR 
AT AVEX AIR TOLD ME MANY YEARS AGO
"THERE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO"
It is easy to talk from this side but we were not in the cockpit or the control tower or i would hazard a guess and say many of the respondents have never taxied an A340-600, myself included. Maybe we should find out what happened instead of reacting to rumours.
AT AVEX AIR TOLD ME MANY YEARS AGO"THERE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE AND THERE ARE THOSE WHO ARE GOING TO"
It is easy to talk from this side but we were not in the cockpit or the control tower or i would hazard a guess and say many of the respondents have never taxied an A340-600, myself included. Maybe we should find out what happened instead of reacting to rumours.
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From: Johannesburg
Just to clear - I was trying to give the gal a break - the bitching was referring to the men on this forum.
Doesn't matter how you try and not make it about gender - for some or other reason there are people that just can't help but turn it into exactly that.
Doesn't matter how you try and not make it about gender - for some or other reason there are people that just can't help but turn it into exactly that.
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From: Paarl
A delightful (and soooo common) sequence of little events:
1. RW01 active
2. Alpha taxyway closed
3. Echo missed
4. ATC in (bad) habit of referring to RW16 as RW34 (can only turn right onto 16)
5. Instant crew decision: turn right now or be towed back to dispersal
6. Aircraft mass light = understeer
7. Reverse thrusters still engaged
8. Crew try to assist turn with left engine thrust
9. Opposite happens
10. Camera not much use anyway, especially as no taxy lines on RW intersection to assist the planned arc
11. Screech, oops
Both crew need to be reprimanded for sure, but not fired -this was a genuine accident, one we can ALL learn from.
1. RW01 active
2. Alpha taxyway closed
3. Echo missed
4. ATC in (bad) habit of referring to RW16 as RW34 (can only turn right onto 16)
5. Instant crew decision: turn right now or be towed back to dispersal
6. Aircraft mass light = understeer
7. Reverse thrusters still engaged
8. Crew try to assist turn with left engine thrust
9. Opposite happens
10. Camera not much use anyway, especially as no taxy lines on RW intersection to assist the planned arc
11. Screech, oops
Both crew need to be reprimanded for sure, but not fired -this was a genuine accident, one we can ALL learn from.
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From: Joburg
That is not the correct sequence of events, Starcrest. The Captain was the PF. The Captain applied too much power from a stationary turn with full nosewheel deflection and slid the front wheels off the taxiway. See the "skid" marks in a photo from an earlier post!! The Captain earns the big bucks because when something like this happens, the buck stops with him (her in this case).
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From: Paarl
Thanks Saasfo, you have cleared up the wrong assumption that a fast taxy speed was part of the problem (that was simply my guess).
I did, however, have a good look at the skid marks when I was taxying by the next day. They start at the RW centre line and arc neatly into the dirt. Are you certain it was purely too much forward thrust that caused the problem?
I did, however, have a good look at the skid marks when I was taxying by the next day. They start at the RW centre line and arc neatly into the dirt. Are you certain it was purely too much forward thrust that caused the problem?
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From: Home
It's just oooo sooo to jump to conclusions ..... lets allow allow the folks in the grey suits with the thick specs and the measuring tapes to make their conclusive conclusions categorically confusiously .... obviously someone "slipped up" (or slipped off) a wee bit .... but hey..it happens in the best of families ... lets cut them some slack .....
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From: North
Lets just hope the Captain involved has the ball to say " I fued up" and with that we will all say....cool..it happens.
However if the blame game starts......Zero Respect, there was only one Captain on that flight deck.
ed up" and with that we will all say....cool..it happens.However if the blame game starts......Zero Respect, there was only one Captain on that flight deck.