KAS operator in Central Africa
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Does anyone know much about this company and their HS125 operation?? I hear they are looking for pilots and engineers
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Found jobs advertised in www.climbto350 for B1900 captains and FO's in DRC, King Air 200 captains and FO's in DRC and Sudan, HS125 Captain in DRC
Does anyone know if these jobs are for the UN
Does anyone know if these jobs are for the UN
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www.kingair.co.za
King Air Charter is a sister Company to King Air Services whose main thrust since 1991 has been aircraft and helicopter leasing for United Nations Agencies and Airlines within the African region.
Does anybody know what they pay their pilots and engineers.?
What is their maintenance like if they are in places like the DRC and Sudan.?
Do they have Hangars and maintenance equipment in these places, or are they a bush type operator?
What are their accommodation facilities like?
Do these guys pay on time?
What are their training standards?
Does anybody know what they pay their pilots and engineers.?
What is their maintenance like if they are in places like the DRC and Sudan.?
Do they have Hangars and maintenance equipment in these places, or are they a bush type operator?
What are their accommodation facilities like?
Do these guys pay on time?
What are their training standards?
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More research shows - Caravan operator as well
Rescuers have found bodies of three people in the wreckage of a South African registered plane that crashed in Uganda last week, the United Nations (UN) World Food Program (WFP) said on Friday.
"A rescue team today (Friday) identified aircraft wreckage high up in Uganda's Rwenzori Mountains as the remains of a WFP- chartered light plane missing for a week, and found three bodies at the crash site," the WFP said in a statement to media.
On board the single-engined Cessna Caravan were the South African pilot and his wife, also a South African, and the co-pilot, a dual national of France and Canada.
"We mourn those who perished flying relief supplies for people driven from their homes by conflict in eastern DR Congo," WFP Executive Director James Morris said through the statement, expressing his condolences to the families of the dead and King Air Services, the South African operator.
The plane lost radio contact on April 28 during a flight in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo. It was traveling from the country's eastern city of Goma to Bunia.
Rescuers aboard a UN search helicopter sighted the wreckage on the Ugandan side of the mountainous border on April 30. But they were unable to land near the crash site, which is at 3,600 meters altitude.
"The team took three days to reach the crash site on foot because of bad weather and the very difficult terrain," the WFP said.
Local guides and park rangers accompanied the team on the grueling trip into the mountains at the request of the Ugandan Civil Aviation Authority. The WFP and the UN mission in the DRC were providing logistical support for the team.
An investigation was being set up to determine the cause of the crash.
South Africa's foreign ministry said on Friday that arrangements were being made for the bodies of the two South Africans to be repatriated.
"The (South African) government extends its condolences to members of the bereaved families whilst extending its gratitude to the Ugandan civil aviation authorities for their assistance provided in the operation," said the ministry's spokesman Ronnie Mamoepa.
Source: Xinhua
"A rescue team today (Friday) identified aircraft wreckage high up in Uganda's Rwenzori Mountains as the remains of a WFP- chartered light plane missing for a week, and found three bodies at the crash site," the WFP said in a statement to media.
On board the single-engined Cessna Caravan were the South African pilot and his wife, also a South African, and the co-pilot, a dual national of France and Canada.
"We mourn those who perished flying relief supplies for people driven from their homes by conflict in eastern DR Congo," WFP Executive Director James Morris said through the statement, expressing his condolences to the families of the dead and King Air Services, the South African operator.
The plane lost radio contact on April 28 during a flight in the eastern Democratic Republic of Congo. It was traveling from the country's eastern city of Goma to Bunia.
Rescuers aboard a UN search helicopter sighted the wreckage on the Ugandan side of the mountainous border on April 30. But they were unable to land near the crash site, which is at 3,600 meters altitude.
"The team took three days to reach the crash site on foot because of bad weather and the very difficult terrain," the WFP said.
Local guides and park rangers accompanied the team on the grueling trip into the mountains at the request of the Ugandan Civil Aviation Authority. The WFP and the UN mission in the DRC were providing logistical support for the team.
An investigation was being set up to determine the cause of the crash.
South Africa's foreign ministry said on Friday that arrangements were being made for the bodies of the two South Africans to be repatriated.
"The (South African) government extends its condolences to members of the bereaved families whilst extending its gratitude to the Ugandan civil aviation authorities for their assistance provided in the operation," said the ministry's spokesman Ronnie Mamoepa.
Source: Xinhua
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Gulfstream 1 operator In Pakistan ???
Plane makes crash landing at Islamabad airport
Islamabad, March 14, IRNA
Pakistan-Crash Landing
A small plane, coming from Muscat, on Wednesday made a crash landing at Islamabad international airport when its front wheels could not open due to some technical fault, reports said.
However, all the passengers and crew members remained unhurt and they were evacuated safely.
The front portion of the aircraft was totally damaged after the crash landing.
The airport runway was closed for incoming and outgoing flights for about one-and-half hour.
The runway was opened after the rescue operation.
The plane developed technical fault while it was in the air and trying to land at the airport.
The plane belonged to a private company belonging to South Africa.
Source: Islamic Republic news agency
Islamabad, March 14, IRNA
Pakistan-Crash Landing
A small plane, coming from Muscat, on Wednesday made a crash landing at Islamabad international airport when its front wheels could not open due to some technical fault, reports said.
However, all the passengers and crew members remained unhurt and they were evacuated safely.
The front portion of the aircraft was totally damaged after the crash landing.
The airport runway was closed for incoming and outgoing flights for about one-and-half hour.
The runway was opened after the rescue operation.
The plane developed technical fault while it was in the air and trying to land at the airport.
The plane belonged to a private company belonging to South Africa.
Source: Islamic Republic news agency
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Compare KAS to FAI UN medevac contract payscale
Two further Learjets fly in the exclusive order of the UN. Beside the homeland basis at the airport Nuremberg operates FAI on behalf the UN stations in Abidjan (the Ivory Coast) and Dakar (Senegal).
FAI
Captains - GBP8000 to GBP12000 per month plus per diems
F/O - GBP4000 to GBP8000 plus per diems
KAS
Captain ?????
F/O ??????
Health Organization.
FAI
Captains - GBP8000 to GBP12000 per month plus per diems
F/O - GBP4000 to GBP8000 plus per diems
KAS
Captain ?????
F/O ??????
UNO Service Provider
FAI rent-a-jet AG provides since August 2004 an
important part of the logistical organization for the
UN peace keeping forces in West Africa on behalf of
the
important part of the logistical organization for the
UN peace keeping forces in West Africa on behalf of
the
United Nations. FAI is until now the only
recognized German UN service provider in the area
of fixed wing aircraft. The company operates on
behalf of the UN a Learjet 35A based in Abidjan,
Ivory Coast. The aircraft serves the whole West
African region and has performed more than 500
flights until now.
Beyond this, in May 2005, FAI was included on the
list of agreed providers for civilian sectors of the UN
such as the World Food Program or the World
recognized German UN service provider in the area
of fixed wing aircraft. The company operates on
behalf of the UN a Learjet 35A based in Abidjan,
Ivory Coast. The aircraft serves the whole West
African region and has performed more than 500
flights until now.
Beyond this, in May 2005, FAI was included on the
list of agreed providers for civilian sectors of the UN
such as the World Food Program or the World
Health Organization.
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Great place for F/Os to start their Bizjet career
Thanks for the PM's guys, you should post info yourselfs, turns out KAS operate out of Entebbe with 1 HS125 amd 1 HS125 in Kinshasa. Rotations 2 months in 1 month out
Captain $7500/2000(retainer on month out) per diems include in salary
F/O $4000/$0
Positive info for F/O's looking for a break
Great place for F/O's who have no time on any Bizjet.
1.5 hours training in Lanseria on a Viper HS125-400 and then straight out on the job. Training bond for 2 years
One of the few operators in Africa that pay on time
Captain $7500/2000(retainer on month out) per diems include in salary
F/O $4000/$0
Positive info for F/O's looking for a break
Great place for F/O's who have no time on any Bizjet.
1.5 hours training in Lanseria on a Viper HS125-400 and then straight out on the job. Training bond for 2 years
One of the few operators in Africa that pay on time
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Engineers salary
Can anyone help with Engineer salary in a war torn place like the DRC, what are the propects in the Congo. What are the hangar facilities like?
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1.5 hrs training and a two year bond 
Sounds like a bargain NOT!!!. A P1 rating on an 800A in ORL is $15000, 30+ hours in the sim. When will these clowns learn that 1.5 hrs is not a conversion? This is a 2 crew aeroplane.
Sounds like a bargain NOT!!!. A P1 rating on an 800A in ORL is $15000, 30+ hours in the sim. When will these clowns learn that 1.5 hrs is not a conversion? This is a 2 crew aeroplane.
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Contract Dog you are obviously employed by KAS so enlighten us to the facts. If you have read all the threads you will see that a source has been included at the bottom except for the PM's.
What is you training progam for the HS125. The guys who have worked for you said they got training on the viper in lanseria to get their P2 rating. Then sent to Kinshasa or Entebbe on the HS125 with the TFE engines to learn on the job with the captains.
Great opportunity when a guy has no jet time .... go KAS, good to see you guys are giving guys opportunities, can't say they will stick around when better jobs become available. Unless you have bonded them for 2 years.
So Dog give us the facts.
What is you training progam for the HS125. The guys who have worked for you said they got training on the viper in lanseria to get their P2 rating. Then sent to Kinshasa or Entebbe on the HS125 with the TFE engines to learn on the job with the captains.
Great opportunity when a guy has no jet time .... go KAS, good to see you guys are giving guys opportunities, can't say they will stick around when better jobs become available. Unless you have bonded them for 2 years.
So Dog give us the facts.
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Sorry heli, BS is a bit strong there. The fact is that only 4 crew in 4 years have been moved over to the HS. In general, the company takes on dct guys with time and ratings. There is talk of it all moving to some training school in the UK to do the sim training. It is a great oppurtunity for the guys but you have to be in the company for at least 5 years before they move you onto it so it is not as fantastic as it sounds.
B200, sorry to say but one of the best cojos I have flown with did a .4 conversion and the worst has done the whole 43 advanced deal???? what diff does it make? if the guy is good he or she is good. like i have said before, it is up to the pilot to know his/her a/c well. being spoon fed on a convex often gets in the way of that.
and yes heli, never once been under paid and never ever been paid late!
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B200, sorry to say but one of the best cojos I have flown with did a .4 conversion and the worst has done the whole 43 advanced deal???? what diff does it make? if the guy is good he or she is good. like i have said before, it is up to the pilot to know his/her a/c well. being spoon fed on a convex often gets in the way of that.
and yes heli, never once been under paid and never ever been paid late!
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So Dog what you are saying is that you move guys from your 200's, 1900's and Gulfstream 1 aircraft, over to the HS125 as FO's. I guess all captains from the previously mentioned aircraft if they have been there for 5 years.
How do the salaries compare to FAI who run the same programme in Dakar and Abijan for the UN?
What maintenance facilities do you have in Kinshasa and Entebbe.
Do you use FSI or plan to use them in the UK for training on the HS125 for recurrent training?
Dog seriously, 0.4 hours for an intial as a P2 is a paper exercise especially if they come from the previously mentioned aircraft.
Do you have training bonds for the P2 on the HS125 with a 0.4 hour conversion?
How do the salaries compare to FAI who run the same programme in Dakar and Abijan for the UN?
What maintenance facilities do you have in Kinshasa and Entebbe.
Do you use FSI or plan to use them in the UK for training on the HS125 for recurrent training?
Dog seriously, 0.4 hours for an intial as a P2 is a paper exercise especially if they come from the previously mentioned aircraft.
Do you have training bonds for the P2 on the HS125 with a 0.4 hour conversion?
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I dont fly the HS, and the .4 conversion was a Van cojo years ago, and he knocked the sox off a lot of the 43 advanced trained guys. I dont agree that it is right, but it does happen.
I cant answer your training Q at this stage but if I get to fly the thing I will let you know
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I cant answer your training Q at this stage but if I get to fly the thing I will let you know
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ContractDog,
You just dont get it, I do fly the HS and it is not a conversion it is a type rating, companies in SA have just been doing it wrong for to long. If you think that you can teach a P2 to fly an HS 125 in 1.4 then go ahead, I just hope your pax dont read that.
You just dont get it, I do fly the HS and it is not a conversion it is a type rating, companies in SA have just been doing it wrong for to long. If you think that you can teach a P2 to fly an HS 125 in 1.4 then go ahead, I just hope your pax dont read that.
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Contract Dog ... can you find out what the correct info is on the questions asked. Guess you must be flying the 1900 on your way up to the HS.
Another question, does your SACAA allow 1.5 hour P2 conversions to be done, surely they must get the paperwork on a HS125 type rating
Another question, does your SACAA allow 1.5 hour P2 conversions to be done, surely they must get the paperwork on a HS125 type rating
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Sorry mate, sitting up in Nigeria, have a couple of mates in Nigeria and EG that are looking at HS125 jobs. Thought there might be a Minimum time requirement on BizJets, heard that KAS hires with no time on jets. Does a couple of hours training and set them loose as P2's not many outfits out there that give pilots a break like that.
It is always good to get the facts from guys who are working with the company or get previous hires info, as one never gets the bottom line from the company, when they hire.
So FDR how can you help with info??
It is always good to get the facts from guys who are working with the company or get previous hires info, as one never gets the bottom line from the company, when they hire.
So FDR how can you help with info??
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FDR if you are still out there .... have been watching this space and nothing from you ?? Obviously you know somebody who interviewed with KAS for the HS125 position