Living/working in Johannesburg - any good?
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Well if you care to actually read the thread... I was offered a position in SA, so I was trying to find out what it is like there. I didn't say anything against SA at all, at least until one of your countrymen decided to diss my home. Even then, I only offered easily obtainable statistics.
If you knew the contract world at all, you would know that the REASON that I have been contacted is because there is nobody currently in SA who has my qualifications and is currently available. Don't worry, I won't be there long...
wondering why Remoak has started this thread. Are you actually interested in working in SA at all. You knock the place and at the same time want to work here - gain more experience?
If you knew the contract world at all, you would know that the REASON that I have been contacted is because there is nobody currently in SA who has my qualifications and is currently available. Don't worry, I won't be there long...
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Right Ho Then!
What about short term opportunities for white aviators in South Africa?
Of course, it would be hilariously apt, would it not, if remoak were of aborignal descent?
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Remoak,
It's a real pity that the continuous negativity of the average South African on this forum keeps on rearing it's ugly head. To have a go at NZ on one side and bring down their own country on the other is somewhat pathetic. Sure we all have rights to our own opinion, (before I get shot down like so many others.) As the other thread states "Why are South Africans so negative?".....it should also read why are they so bitter and twisted?
Remoak this place is no bed of roses as you can see by what has been posted here, but my 5 cents worth, you've been given an opportunity to lend some of your expertise this side of the ocean so grab it with both hands and come experience it all for yourself. Like NZ, SA has alot to offer in many fields...and as I said before eyes wide open and everything should be fine.
As for others....fellas get a grip....deal with it and get on with life. We all do not have the opportunity to live in a 40 storey flat in Hong Kong, (I prefer my 6 foot - not 10ft wall) - and bring up our kids on greener, sandier, or harder pastures. For those that do...great and good luck....for those of us who don't....hey we have to get on with life and try and make a go of what we have.
Going forward.... with eyes wide open............yeeha!!!!
It's a real pity that the continuous negativity of the average South African on this forum keeps on rearing it's ugly head. To have a go at NZ on one side and bring down their own country on the other is somewhat pathetic. Sure we all have rights to our own opinion, (before I get shot down like so many others.) As the other thread states "Why are South Africans so negative?".....it should also read why are they so bitter and twisted?
Remoak this place is no bed of roses as you can see by what has been posted here, but my 5 cents worth, you've been given an opportunity to lend some of your expertise this side of the ocean so grab it with both hands and come experience it all for yourself. Like NZ, SA has alot to offer in many fields...and as I said before eyes wide open and everything should be fine.
As for others....fellas get a grip....deal with it and get on with life. We all do not have the opportunity to live in a 40 storey flat in Hong Kong, (I prefer my 6 foot - not 10ft wall) - and bring up our kids on greener, sandier, or harder pastures. For those that do...great and good luck....for those of us who don't....hey we have to get on with life and try and make a go of what we have.
Going forward.... with eyes wide open............yeeha!!!!
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Yep, my gut feeling is to go for it, enjoy the good bits, but, as you say, keep my eyes wide open.
I survived New York, so SA should be easy...
And I am indeed from aboriginal descent... in this case, the aboriginal inhabitants being those of that small Island to the west of Europe...
Yes, paler than the inside of a coconut!
Yep, my gut feeling is to go for it, enjoy the good bits, but, as you say, keep my eyes wide open.
I survived New York, so SA should be easy...
And I am indeed from aboriginal descent... in this case, the aboriginal inhabitants being those of that small Island to the west of Europe...
Yes, paler than the inside of a coconut!
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Aboriginal descent from island to the west of Europe yet paler than the inside of a coconut?
At the slight risk of more thread drift and in a spirit of entirely good intent; one wonders then whether you would be an albino native of the Cape Verde islands?
In which case you should, as they say, go down a bundle in Josies!
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Well, not quite. The island immediately to the west of Europe is a cold, damp place that has given the world some truly wonderful inventions... you know, black pudding sausage, cricket, Concorde, stuff like that...
Don't make the mistake of thinking that said island is part of Europe....
Don't make the mistake of thinking that said island is part of Europe....
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Fact is that SA is still a good place to live if you are in the upper income groups.
Remoak, your statistics may well be correct if you are considering living in a hut in the platteland, a bone through your nose, coal burning stove and a sack tied around your fat little belly... a word of advice:
Research the country before posting meaningless stats. There are two ecomomies in SA, one skews the other in a big way.
I for one am considering emigrating due to the crime, as most SA'ers are, however not everyone has this option, and for ex pats and foreigners to diss SA, and the people that live there is puerile. Most of all, dont criticise people living there, because they live there!
There are many good people in SA, both Black and White trying to make a living and living the dream, crime or no crime. It may or may not happen, but to those who are trying you may be better people than me. I cannot understand why ex pats spend so much time criticising SA instead of trying to integrate into their new lives... the reasons may never be understood!
However, Remoak, if I were going to NZ to work, I would try and make it a positive experience. You clearly are an exceptional person / pilot, with skills that SA has never seen before, and perhaps you will make a success in SA. But a warning, where the Aussies are very intolerant of arrogance and will close doors, South Africans will meet your arrogance head on... we dont have the same big stick hanging over our heads all the time. Tone it down, be grateful that you have this opportunity where there are so many that dont and enjoy SA for all it has to offer. It really is a special place, and the people that are trying to make it work will make you forget all about your ridiculous statistics which make NZ the utopia you make it out to be.
Remoak, your statistics may well be correct if you are considering living in a hut in the platteland, a bone through your nose, coal burning stove and a sack tied around your fat little belly... a word of advice:
Research the country before posting meaningless stats. There are two ecomomies in SA, one skews the other in a big way.
I for one am considering emigrating due to the crime, as most SA'ers are, however not everyone has this option, and for ex pats and foreigners to diss SA, and the people that live there is puerile. Most of all, dont criticise people living there, because they live there!
There are many good people in SA, both Black and White trying to make a living and living the dream, crime or no crime. It may or may not happen, but to those who are trying you may be better people than me. I cannot understand why ex pats spend so much time criticising SA instead of trying to integrate into their new lives... the reasons may never be understood!
However, Remoak, if I were going to NZ to work, I would try and make it a positive experience. You clearly are an exceptional person / pilot, with skills that SA has never seen before, and perhaps you will make a success in SA. But a warning, where the Aussies are very intolerant of arrogance and will close doors, South Africans will meet your arrogance head on... we dont have the same big stick hanging over our heads all the time. Tone it down, be grateful that you have this opportunity where there are so many that dont and enjoy SA for all it has to offer. It really is a special place, and the people that are trying to make it work will make you forget all about your ridiculous statistics which make NZ the utopia you make it out to be.
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REMOAK.
Well if you care to actually read my post, I clearly wrote that the job you are offered is casually considered 'YOURS'.
Look if you take the job with a positive attitude and you have reasonable vigilance with local advice you will be rewarded in my opinion. Looking for advice on a rumour network is probably not the advice you are looking for , hence this debate outbreak. Your skills may be matched in Southern Africa as there have been a few BAE146 operators here , SAFAIR, Air Bots, Air zim -come to mind - but then again I don't know you, and maybe you have the edge they need - then again there may be some PDA types the Govt would be more interested in seeing here.
I really hope you get to experience the good company of the SA type working pilot in SA to give you a better impression.
As for contract working - you are speaking to a South African here, not many pilots here have not done that!
Well if you care to actually read my post, I clearly wrote that the job you are offered is casually considered 'YOURS'.
Look if you take the job with a positive attitude and you have reasonable vigilance with local advice you will be rewarded in my opinion. Looking for advice on a rumour network is probably not the advice you are looking for , hence this debate outbreak. Your skills may be matched in Southern Africa as there have been a few BAE146 operators here , SAFAIR, Air Bots, Air zim -come to mind - but then again I don't know you, and maybe you have the edge they need - then again there may be some PDA types the Govt would be more interested in seeing here.
I really hope you get to experience the good company of the SA type working pilot in SA to give you a better impression.
As for contract working - you are speaking to a South African here, not many pilots here have not done that!
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I get that, I was simply answering one meaningless stat with another (or two).
I don't recall doing that...
Oh, per-leese! I am simply rated on a type that is currently experiencing a worldwide shortage of captains. If the company could find a SA pilot I am sure they would employ him or her. However, they can't, so they look elsewhere whilst they train up locals. Don't put words in my mouth.
Perhaps I should come over there, and we could all get together and settle this over a pint or ten?
Research the country before posting meaningless stats. There are two ecomomies in SA, one skews the other in a big way.
Most of all, dont criticise people living there, because they live there!
You clearly are an exceptional person / pilot, with skills that SA has never seen before
Perhaps I should come over there, and we could all get together and settle this over a pint or ten?
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Ah yes, Eire! An island with which one is not entirely unacquainted.
It's a funny place really, Ireland, the Zimbabwe of Europe of the last century. Its population, forever leaving its dark and emeraldless shores, have perhaps been more responsible for the black economy of other countries than has been provided by the migratory antics of any other race of people.
Oh yes, old bean, you forgot the Guiness! But then, as you must know, toucan play at this game.
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A pint or ten Remoak... now you are really pushing it... you gonna make me mad There is nothing that cant be sorted out over eleven...
Keep us posted, if you are unsure about SA when you get here, I am 100% convinced that a couple of ppruners will be happy to show you how its done in SA...
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Mind you though, anyone who could possibly down ten pints of that disgusting stuff which passes for beer in either South Africa or New Zealand - or, for that matter,-Australia, has little taste for the hop; a fruit which is singularily lacking in all examples. The ersazt beer of these countries is only good for the dunking of ginger biscuits, which improves the taste of the former whilst achieving nothing for that of the latter.
Now...what used to be called Kaffir beer...well, it is highly nutritious at the least.
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Speaking of beer..........
CC, it's actually 'GUINNESS' - an erudite gent such as yersel' shouldna insult the lads at St. James's Gate Brewery in such a desultory fashion!
Agree on the SA beer - at least one can easily obtain Windhoek Lager, and more cheeringly, and with a little more diligence in search mode, that prince of Namibian beer - Tafel Lager. Ah, I feel a smile coming on just at the thought of a tall glass, brimming with that amber nectar brewed with loving care, from the sandy wastes of Nam...............bye, must run, thirst coming on.
......and speaking of nutrition, surely now the good black stuff from the green island is not to be topped?
Cheers! Slainte!
Agree on the SA beer - at least one can easily obtain Windhoek Lager, and more cheeringly, and with a little more diligence in search mode, that prince of Namibian beer - Tafel Lager. Ah, I feel a smile coming on just at the thought of a tall glass, brimming with that amber nectar brewed with loving care, from the sandy wastes of Nam...............bye, must run, thirst coming on.
......and speaking of nutrition, surely now the good black stuff from the green island is not to be topped?
Cheers! Slainte!
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Hey Fliterisk.....get a life.....!!!!!
Remoak if you need any help or info would be glad to offer assistance. By the way we're all not negative whinging individuals like the rest on this thread!!
Good luck with your decision and hope it's the right one!!!
Amstel shortage looming on the horizon.........!!!!!
Remoak if you need any help or info would be glad to offer assistance. By the way we're all not negative whinging individuals like the rest on this thread!!
Good luck with your decision and hope it's the right one!!!
Amstel shortage looming on the horizon.........!!!!!
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I am becoming a little concerned about your grasp of geography. Ireland is the small island to the west of the island that is to the west of Europe. The clue lies in the invention of cricket. The Irish only got as far as hurling, a crude and violent game that a true gentleman would never indulge in...
And as for that brown liquid... if I want runny Marmite, I'll water it down myself...
OK so are we all friends now? If I get there, I'll buy you all a pint or ten and you can equip me for the task. One of you can show me to the AK-47 shop...
I am becoming a little concerned about your grasp of geography. Ireland is the small island to the west of the island that is to the west of Europe. The clue lies in the invention of cricket. The Irish only got as far as hurling, a crude and violent game that a true gentleman would never indulge in...
And as for that brown liquid... if I want runny Marmite, I'll water it down myself...
OK so are we all friends now? If I get there, I'll buy you all a pint or ten and you can equip me for the task. One of you can show me to the AK-47 shop...
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Have you all noticed that these conversations always end up with you lot talking about beer.
Ireland.........cricket
A game, according to us irish, that was invented for protestants and poofters.
On a more serious note, it never ceases to amaze me how negative us saffers can be. Myself included. I keep telling myself that Im better off this side of the pond but given half a chance Id definately go back. A work permit (or lack of) would be my major obstacle.
Fluffy you are a breath of fresh air
Ireland.........cricket
A game, according to us irish, that was invented for protestants and poofters. On a more serious note, it never ceases to amaze me how negative us saffers can be. Myself included. I keep telling myself that Im better off this side of the pond but given half a chance Id definately go back. A work permit (or lack of) would be my major obstacle.
Fluffy you are a breath of fresh air
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Curioser and curioser. Because, you see, the west coast of Portugal, which is in Europe, is some 4 degrees further west than the furthermost coast of the island that might otherwise have been to the west of Europe were it not to the east.
Cricket was invented in Mesopotamia and not in Barbados. Mind you though, the English like to think that they can trace the game back to the 13th century in England. But then, that would be in the reign of the Plantagenets and thus the game would be French in origin?
As for the AK 47, try the Randburg bus station or Mr Zuma's campaign headquarters.
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Herr Cheetah and Mr Remoak...
Drop me a pm when you get into town. I know where they hide the good stuff.
www.gilroybeers.co.za
Drop me a pm when you get into town. I know where they hide the good stuff.
www.gilroybeers.co.za
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Aha! I see the problem. You are making the elementary mistake of all amateur cartographers.
In order to calculate west-ness, you have to apply the Idoan-Giveatoss formula. This formula, loosely based on the well-known Duckworth/Lewis Method, clearly states that west-ness is a function of:
(ability to speak English proper-like) x 1/2(damn foreign johnnies) + ((pi x 4:00pm) - cost of a pint) x 42
It is pretty obvious which country is therefore to the west of which.
As far as Cricket goes, you omitted to mention that the Mesopatamian that invented the game was a half brother to John, Lord Marbury, Earl of Croy, Earl of Sherbourne, Marquess of Needham and Dolby, Baronet of Brycey. Something to do with their mother and a brief fling in Istanbul. The game is therefore as English as a late-model Mini Cooper.
Yes, I would like to know what Airlink is like to work for...
In order to calculate west-ness, you have to apply the Idoan-Giveatoss formula. This formula, loosely based on the well-known Duckworth/Lewis Method, clearly states that west-ness is a function of:
(ability to speak English proper-like) x 1/2(damn foreign johnnies) + ((pi x 4:00pm) - cost of a pint) x 42
It is pretty obvious which country is therefore to the west of which.
As far as Cricket goes, you omitted to mention that the Mesopatamian that invented the game was a half brother to John, Lord Marbury, Earl of Croy, Earl of Sherbourne, Marquess of Needham and Dolby, Baronet of Brycey. Something to do with their mother and a brief fling in Istanbul. The game is therefore as English as a late-model Mini Cooper.
Yes, I would like to know what Airlink is like to work for...