ATC bashing on African Pilot web site
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Spot on JG, I’m quite tired of certain journo’s in this country- particularly the ones involved in publishing magazines using their publication as a soap box to air their, normally, uninformed opinions. If they would only stick to what they know- ok errr…then they wouldn’t have anything to put in the mag!! 
Ive really lost interest in all but one of the local mags and now only ask our marketing guys to send me the international ones they get. Don’t get me wrong Im very interested in GA but these guys bump up the mag with pics of this fly-in and that fly-in – or better still yet another pic of a Lightening form Thunder City!- that’s if there is any place left after all the free ads given out to companies for fixing up their airee for free.
I think we are so are eager for material that the reading public just buys some of these publications out of desperation
Ive really lost interest in all but one of the local mags and now only ask our marketing guys to send me the international ones they get. Don’t get me wrong Im very interested in GA but these guys bump up the mag with pics of this fly-in and that fly-in – or better still yet another pic of a Lightening form Thunder City!- that’s if there is any place left after all the free ads given out to companies for fixing up their airee for free.
I think we are so are eager for material that the reading public just buys some of these publications out of desperation
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Why does this not surprise me that Phoebus Apollo was involved?
Maybe the pissing and moaning comes from the honourable "airline". Having had the unfortunate "honour" of working with them in the past, I am actually amazed they did not declare an emergency!
As for the "know nothing at all" jounalist, I know a lot of Air Traffic Controllers at Jo'burg that have valid pilots licenses, some even commercial. They fly as well as control, but I have yet to come across an Airline pilot working at the centre! or a Journalist for that matter. ATC have a much better understanding of aviation than you; may I add.
So please leave the controlling to us, and go review the new Airport in outer Mongolia
Or go catch up on your RT!
Must agree with B sousa Jo'burg tower controllers really need to go see how class C airspace is controlled at Other Airports - those Outside the country. You guys are limited with the "Laid down Law" a bit and will be able to give the Radar boys a much better service if you apply "reduced seperation in the vicinity of the Airfield" better,as the good book state!
To the last few standing at Jo'burg good luck boys and girls, you guys are doing a good job, no matter what this a ole say. I am just wondering who is going to be the last one to switch the lights off? 
Maybe the pissing and moaning comes from the honourable "airline". Having had the unfortunate "honour" of working with them in the past, I am actually amazed they did not declare an emergency!
As for the "know nothing at all" jounalist, I know a lot of Air Traffic Controllers at Jo'burg that have valid pilots licenses, some even commercial. They fly as well as control, but I have yet to come across an Airline pilot working at the centre! or a Journalist for that matter. ATC have a much better understanding of aviation than you; may I add.
So please leave the controlling to us, and go review the new Airport in outer Mongolia
Or go catch up on your RT!Must agree with B sousa Jo'burg tower controllers really need to go see how class C airspace is controlled at Other Airports - those Outside the country. You guys are limited with the "Laid down Law" a bit and will be able to give the Radar boys a much better service if you apply "reduced seperation in the vicinity of the Airfield" better,as the good book state!
To the last few standing at Jo'burg good luck boys and girls, you guys are doing a good job, no matter what this a
ole say. I am just wondering who is going to be the last one to switch the lights off?
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Blueskye - The Actuator has gone quiet because he has been flying and still getting amazed at the pathetic level of service from ATNS on a daily basis.
Even if he had not been flying he would not have contributed further to this thread because as is all to obvious there is simply no convincing the powers that be that there is room for improvement, so he just puts up and shuts up - after all it's not his money and EFP goes a long way!!!!!
concentrate on that "busy" airspace now!
Even if he had not been flying he would not have contributed further to this thread because as is all to obvious there is simply no convincing the powers that be that there is room for improvement, so he just puts up and shuts up - after all it's not his money and EFP goes a long way!!!!!
concentrate on that "busy" airspace now!
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MR Actuator
So sorry to hear you think the service by JHB ATC is so terrible. Might I suggest you PM one of the JHB ATC's and arrange a visit to the center. Plug in with the guy or girl showing you around, speak to the guys that do the work and even have a chin wag with the folks running the place and share how you believe ATC should be done. Don't hide behind the "I have written and phoned" rubbish. Lets see if you are as bold as you appear to be in this thread. As I used be an ATC in SA at the very center that has apparently gone backwards, you are welcome to PM me and I will try and put you in contact with some of my old work mates.
So sorry to hear you think the service by JHB ATC is so terrible. Might I suggest you PM one of the JHB ATC's and arrange a visit to the center. Plug in with the guy or girl showing you around, speak to the guys that do the work and even have a chin wag with the folks running the place and share how you believe ATC should be done. Don't hide behind the "I have written and phoned" rubbish. Lets see if you are as bold as you appear to be in this thread. As I used be an ATC in SA at the very center that has apparently gone backwards, you are welcome to PM me and I will try and put you in contact with some of my old work mates.
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It appears the better performance and accountablility is what is required from ATNS management from individual air traffic controllers.
This is the very same guy who with his PPL, without an IF rating, flew into totally IMC conditions (fading daylight, falling temp and cloud on the deck) and pushed a critical situation until spatial disorientated took over. Lucky for him, by the grace of his God, his 172 crashed into the ground as he was hauling back on the stick. He got away with it.
The sad thing about all this is that this editor is actually proud of this prang, he even tried to blame ATC for telling him to turn the wrong way after he lost sight of bright toll gate lights in the mist.
My point? People in glass houses..................
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Actuator - All I see you and your ilk do is moan. You never have a solution to the problem. The reason why you don't have a solution is because you don't understand one damn iota of what ATC is. Please post all the posts where ATCs have slagged a pilot because of his flying skills and then where you halfwits slag us for how we control. The overwhelming majority of your clan is crybabies who only appreciate the one side of the coin - theirs. So next time one of you miss a call, retire on the runway after being cleared for take-off or bust a level, I suggest the flightnumber should be posted on this here site. Hell, put the PIC's name down as well, while we are bashing. After all, it will just balance things out a bit.
As for concentrating on the busy airspace, it usually gets busy when you deal with Say Again Airlines.
As for concentrating on the busy airspace, it usually gets busy when you deal with Say Again Airlines.
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Heheheh!
I hope you are on a day off and that you’re controlling is better than your English. To call someone a halfwit and then use is instead of are in the next sentence is a little embarrassing wouldn't you say?
As far as I'm aware I've never slagged an individual ATC - it's the system not the controllers that need adjustment.
Solutions would be findable if the user’s views were ever taken into account but sadly this does not happen, and the post above proves that the views of the users of the system are not wanted.
As I SAAid we'll just continue to waste the time, money and resources because it simply could not get more efficient or could it?
I hope you are on a day off and that you’re controlling is better than your English. To call someone a halfwit and then use is instead of are in the next sentence is a little embarrassing wouldn't you say?
As far as I'm aware I've never slagged an individual ATC - it's the system not the controllers that need adjustment.
Solutions would be findable if the user’s views were ever taken into account but sadly this does not happen, and the post above proves that the views of the users of the system are not wanted.
As I SAAid we'll just continue to waste the time, money and resources because it simply could not get more efficient or could it?
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Seeing that you has all da answers, can you like to share some of your solutions wiff us. What exactly are you complaining about. Poor service is bit of a broad stroke. Are we talking GMC, TWR, App or Acc here? Is anything less than "Dct 8nm final Rwy03L no speed restrictions cleared to land" poor service. Or would you prefer :"Push start face south taxi B cleared take off 03L climb FL330." Just as your ride has restrictions, our system and the people have restrictions. So don't stand their on your soapbox and accuse without proof or solutions. 
You don't phone BMW or Merc and tell them their service sucks. They will tell you to be specific.
So I suggest you start a new thread with specific complaints and maybe EltorroLoco or makeapullup or SAA201 or even myself will answer your questions. As long as it is done in a constructive manner, unlike Mr. Franz.
You don't phone BMW or Merc and tell them their service sucks. They will tell you to be specific. So I suggest you start a new thread with specific complaints and maybe EltorroLoco or makeapullup or SAA201 or even myself will answer your questions. As long as it is done in a constructive manner, unlike Mr. Franz.
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Highway Hennie 1a Departure
Gentleman, dear Mr. AF, dealing and flying with Phoebus Apollo and especially in a R22 with Hennie, must obviously mean that he likes to "live fast and die young".... so please forgive him his indiscretions.
The Phoebus Apollo aircraft should just have asked for the HIGHWAY HENNIE 1A DEPARTURE and taxied there: Left on the R21, left on the N12, left on the N3, left on the N17.... first airport on the left... hehehehe
It is the notorious HIGHWAY HENNIE we are dealing with here, OBVIOUSLY bending Mr. AF's ear, circling around waiting for his pride and joy to appear on the horizon. The truth is always out there, noted on a strip in this case, but some people still just don’t get it.
But then I ask, shouldn't this "gentleman" have preferential taxi and highway allowances as he is the proverbial “jack of all trades, master of ****”, including highway landings and the LAHSO or is that LSAHO??
In my experience, the boys in the BIGGEST fish tank in South Africa have always gone overboard to see where they could accommodate even the little flying fish, including the restrictive actuator.
The Phoebus Apollo aircraft should just have asked for the HIGHWAY HENNIE 1A DEPARTURE and taxied there: Left on the R21, left on the N12, left on the N3, left on the N17.... first airport on the left... hehehehe
It is the notorious HIGHWAY HENNIE we are dealing with here, OBVIOUSLY bending Mr. AF's ear, circling around waiting for his pride and joy to appear on the horizon. The truth is always out there, noted on a strip in this case, but some people still just don’t get it.
But then I ask, shouldn't this "gentleman" have preferential taxi and highway allowances as he is the proverbial “jack of all trades, master of ****”, including highway landings and the LAHSO or is that LSAHO??
In my experience, the boys in the BIGGEST fish tank in South Africa have always gone overboard to see where they could accommodate even the little flying fish, including the restrictive actuator.
