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All this talk of a low cost airline with bright orange aircraft.....not exactly original thinking as our northern hemisphere readers will know.
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Orange is an interesting colour for SA.
Ever since the demise of the old South African flag, advertisers and marketeers have been very reluctant to use orange because of legacy connections to the old flag. I have not seen the colours but I would expect that they are going to be ORANGE ...with some black & white.
Can you imagine the outcry if they were Orange, White and Blue !!!
Ever since the demise of the old South African flag, advertisers and marketeers have been very reluctant to use orange because of legacy connections to the old flag. I have not seen the colours but I would expect that they are going to be ORANGE ...with some black & white.
Can you imagine the outcry if they were Orange, White and Blue !!!
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all very interesting...
perhaps a ploy by the 'ultimate' LCC to laugh in the face of the others in SA, imitating the example set by arguably the world's most successful LCC.
Whatever it is...its got us talking so its worked.
perhaps a ploy by the 'ultimate' LCC to laugh in the face of the others in SA, imitating the example set by arguably the world's most successful LCC.
Whatever it is...its got us talking so its worked.
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Saa No Care Policy....comments
It may come as a surprise to a lot of people that a number of well qualified TRE/TRI/CHECK Captains with 0000,s hours on type B738) have applied for the above positions, and being RSA Licensed ,residence/nationals have still had no responses from the LCC Operator.
It would make rather interesting reading in the local "Rags" why Nepotism still rules in the ex saa system with the depth of off shore experience trying to relocate back to the "mother country", the company employing
still imagines 5000hrs on a B727 is preferable to 5000 hrs on a B738........the quoted hours are mine and I am type short of others I know.Original SAA crews were doing there types in Seattle when I was there.
Whilst I endorse local support I am at a loss as to why the company should delay Start-Up because they are training NO-EXPERIENCE TRAINING CAPTS on B738 when a depth of experience equivalent or better.....(LVP OPS trained) are avaiable in the open market.
It would make rather interesting reading in the local "Rags" why Nepotism still rules in the ex saa system with the depth of off shore experience trying to relocate back to the "mother country", the company employing
still imagines 5000hrs on a B727 is preferable to 5000 hrs on a B738........the quoted hours are mine and I am type short of others I know.Original SAA crews were doing there types in Seattle when I was there.
Whilst I endorse local support I am at a loss as to why the company should delay Start-Up because they are training NO-EXPERIENCE TRAINING CAPTS on B738 when a depth of experience equivalent or better.....(LVP OPS trained) are avaiable in the open market.
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Well well well - if the new LCC is corrupt in its hiring practices then I guess its just the way its always been in certain circles...
But if on top of that it is so corrupt that it isnt hiring the old guard ( ex SAA boys who retired with millions, ex SAA boys who went overseas and did'nt like it, Current and ex SAA boy's kids etc - all with LVP training no less) then GREAT.
Its high time the corrupt baantjie vir boetie system starts hiring the guys who did their time in clapped out 727's in Africa, clapped out 737-200's at NTW and clapped out Lear24's at FALA !!!!!
But if on top of that it is so corrupt that it isnt hiring the old guard ( ex SAA boys who retired with millions, ex SAA boys who went overseas and did'nt like it, Current and ex SAA boy's kids etc - all with LVP training no less) then GREAT.
Its high time the corrupt baantjie vir boetie system starts hiring the guys who did their time in clapped out 727's in Africa, clapped out 737-200's at NTW and clapped out Lear24's at FALA !!!!!
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Well well well - if the new LCC is corrupt in its hiring practices then I guess its just the way its always been in certain circles...
Its high time the corrupt baantjie vir boetie system starts hiring the guys who did their time in clapped out 727's in Africa, clapped out 737-200's at NTW and clapped out Lear24's at FALA !!!!!
Its high time the corrupt baantjie vir boetie system starts hiring the guys who did their time in clapped out 727's in Africa, clapped out 737-200's at NTW and clapped out Lear24's at FALA !!!!!
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http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...1a6a20061019at
By Richard Davies
South African Airways will launch its new low-cost carrier Tulca next month to gain a share of the fast-growing budget-travel market, MPs heard on Wednesday.
"Passengers want no-frills and low-cost, and... we have to respond to what passengers want," SAA CEO Khaya Ngqula told members of Parliament's public enterprises portfolio committee.
Over the past three years, low-cost carriers had captured half the airline passenger market.
Ngqula said Tulca, a wholly SAA-owned subsidiary, was ready to go, and "most of the approval" for the new low-cost carrier had been obtained from the authorities.
It would take to the skies "by the middle of next month".
Domestically, SAA would then focus its attention on business passengers, "people who want a better service than a low-cost carrier can offer".
The airline was also talking to potential partners in Africa, including Ghana and Nigeria.
Internationally, SAA was looking to realise more benefits from its new membership of the international airline network, Star Alliance.
"It's a new world for us. From the 43 destinations we covered as an airline, now our passengers can go to more than 900 destinations," Ngqula said.
Earlier in the briefing, SAA chief financial officer Gareth Griffiths said SAA's profits had dropped by 90 percent over the past financial year, from R648-million in 2004/05, to R65-million in 2005/06.
The airline's high fuel bill - fuel costs had shot up by 51,5 percent over this period - had pushed up operating costs.
Other costs had increased by 5,5 percent, and while this figure appeared low, it had to be realised competitors around the world were showing negative growth costs.
Speaking to Sapa later on Wednesday, SAA corporate communications head Jacqui O'Sullivan said Tulca would be officially launched on October 30.
Asked what share of the low-cost carrier market Tulca aimed to grab, she declined to put a figure on the subsidiaries business objectives, saying only that start up costs were "relatively small" and mainly involved the leasing of aircraft and a small project team.
Tulca would have a completely separate identity from SAA, including its own board, executive committee and marketing company. However, it would share maintenance facilities with SAA. - Sapa
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?newsl...1a6a20061019at
By Richard Davies
South African Airways will launch its new low-cost carrier Tulca next month to gain a share of the fast-growing budget-travel market, MPs heard on Wednesday.
"Passengers want no-frills and low-cost, and... we have to respond to what passengers want," SAA CEO Khaya Ngqula told members of Parliament's public enterprises portfolio committee.
Over the past three years, low-cost carriers had captured half the airline passenger market.
Ngqula said Tulca, a wholly SAA-owned subsidiary, was ready to go, and "most of the approval" for the new low-cost carrier had been obtained from the authorities.
It would take to the skies "by the middle of next month".
Domestically, SAA would then focus its attention on business passengers, "people who want a better service than a low-cost carrier can offer".
The airline was also talking to potential partners in Africa, including Ghana and Nigeria.
Internationally, SAA was looking to realise more benefits from its new membership of the international airline network, Star Alliance.
"It's a new world for us. From the 43 destinations we covered as an airline, now our passengers can go to more than 900 destinations," Ngqula said.
Earlier in the briefing, SAA chief financial officer Gareth Griffiths said SAA's profits had dropped by 90 percent over the past financial year, from R648-million in 2004/05, to R65-million in 2005/06.
The airline's high fuel bill - fuel costs had shot up by 51,5 percent over this period - had pushed up operating costs.
Other costs had increased by 5,5 percent, and while this figure appeared low, it had to be realised competitors around the world were showing negative growth costs.
Speaking to Sapa later on Wednesday, SAA corporate communications head Jacqui O'Sullivan said Tulca would be officially launched on October 30.
Asked what share of the low-cost carrier market Tulca aimed to grab, she declined to put a figure on the subsidiaries business objectives, saying only that start up costs were "relatively small" and mainly involved the leasing of aircraft and a small project team.
Tulca would have a completely separate identity from SAA, including its own board, executive committee and marketing company. However, it would share maintenance facilities with SAA. - Sapa
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The SAA CEO is quoted as saying that domestically, Tulca will take care of the low-cost segment and SAA the business segment of the market. Makes sense.
No prizes for guessing who the majority of passengers are going to fly with. Hence a rapid expansion of the low cost and a shrinking of SAA domestic. It's already happened in most of Europe, the US, India and is happening in Australia. SA will be no exception.
I particularly like the Indian example. Air India, a heavily unionised, well paying, government-funded airline has seen almost no expansion for many, many years, while its low-cost competitors like Jet, Sahara and Kingfisher are growing rapidly and grabbing a bigger market share. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
No prizes for guessing who the majority of passengers are going to fly with. Hence a rapid expansion of the low cost and a shrinking of SAA domestic. It's already happened in most of Europe, the US, India and is happening in Australia. SA will be no exception.
I particularly like the Indian example. Air India, a heavily unionised, well paying, government-funded airline has seen almost no expansion for many, many years, while its low-cost competitors like Jet, Sahara and Kingfisher are growing rapidly and grabbing a bigger market share. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?
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On TNW this morning
Interesting spin on the events- although in reality it was more like an episode of the Apprentice….Andy your fired!!
Guess that’s what happens when you are more concerned about what your office furniture is going to look like than running an airline...
Interesting spin on the events- although in reality it was more like an episode of the Apprentice….Andy your fired!!
Guess that’s what happens when you are more concerned about what your office furniture is going to look like than running an airline...
Cluver’s out – who’s in?
ANDY Cluver, ceo of Civair, has told TNN that he will not be taking up a position at SAA’s low-cost carrier, flymango.co.za. He said he had been considering a position (rumoured to be that of ceo) at the low-cost start-up but decided not to pursue it due to personal reasons.
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ANDY Cluver, ceo of Civair, has told TNN that he will not be taking up a position at SAA’s low-cost carrier, flymango.co.za. He said he had been considering a position (rumoured to be that of ceo) at the low-cost start-up but decided not to pursue it due to personal reasons.
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S R T, I think that his air charter & helicopter service have continued to operate, it was only the 747 service to Stanstead that never got off the ground, though a few folk got hurt in the process. The operation has survived for more than 10 years now - quite amazing when you look at it. The hangar in Cape Town - or rickety old warehouse as a better description - has a Beech Baron in it I think. Waterfront operation at the V&A is still active.
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SAA's new budget airline gets Wiese as its chairman
By Samantha Enslin
Durban - The board of Tulca, SAA's new low-cost airline, which will be operating next month, will include top businessman Christo Wiese, the chairman of Shoprite Holdings, as the non-executive chairman.
Jakes Gerwel, SAA's chairman, announced Tulca's board yesterday. It also includes Herman Mashaba, the founder of hair care business Black Like Me; Petra Krusche, an attorney and specialist in competition law; and Rashid Ahmed Wally, Lenovo International's general manager for south and central Africa. Gerwel will also sit on Tulca's board.
Mashaba is also the chairman of Stocks Building Africa and is on the board of Edgars Consolidated Stores.
Krusche has advised and represented numerous multi-nationals and listed companies on competition law.
At the beginning of this month, Tulca was given the go-ahead by the Air Service Licensing Council despite the objections of other low-cost carriers. Nationwide and 1Time objected to Tulca getting a licence, saying government-owned SAA could subsidise the low-cost carrier. The licensing council said this would be closely monitored.
In its results presentation for the year to March, SAA said it had lost market share to low-cost carriers. The airline transported 7.2 million passengers, 4.5 percent higher than the year before. Passenger revenue was flat at R13 billion.
Details of the new airline's operations will be released on Monday, when the chief executive will also be announced.
Earlier this week, public enterprises minister Alec Erwin mandated SAA's new board members to maximise the airline's profitability.
The new board members include Francine-Ann du Plessis, an advocate and chartered accountant; Jürgen Schrempp, a former chief executive of DaimlerChrysler and a member of the presidential investment committee; Nkosana Moyo, a pilot and managing director Actis Capital; and Koosum Kalyan, an adviser to the UK prime minister's Commission for Africa.
Also appointed to SAA's board are Billy Modise, who was South Africa's high commissioner in Canada until 1999 and was the chief of protocol in the foreign affairs department; and Margie Whitehouse, who has experience in building African brands. These appointments are for three years.
By Samantha Enslin
Durban - The board of Tulca, SAA's new low-cost airline, which will be operating next month, will include top businessman Christo Wiese, the chairman of Shoprite Holdings, as the non-executive chairman.
Jakes Gerwel, SAA's chairman, announced Tulca's board yesterday. It also includes Herman Mashaba, the founder of hair care business Black Like Me; Petra Krusche, an attorney and specialist in competition law; and Rashid Ahmed Wally, Lenovo International's general manager for south and central Africa. Gerwel will also sit on Tulca's board.
Mashaba is also the chairman of Stocks Building Africa and is on the board of Edgars Consolidated Stores.
Krusche has advised and represented numerous multi-nationals and listed companies on competition law.
At the beginning of this month, Tulca was given the go-ahead by the Air Service Licensing Council despite the objections of other low-cost carriers. Nationwide and 1Time objected to Tulca getting a licence, saying government-owned SAA could subsidise the low-cost carrier. The licensing council said this would be closely monitored.
In its results presentation for the year to March, SAA said it had lost market share to low-cost carriers. The airline transported 7.2 million passengers, 4.5 percent higher than the year before. Passenger revenue was flat at R13 billion.
Details of the new airline's operations will be released on Monday, when the chief executive will also be announced.
Earlier this week, public enterprises minister Alec Erwin mandated SAA's new board members to maximise the airline's profitability.
The new board members include Francine-Ann du Plessis, an advocate and chartered accountant; Jürgen Schrempp, a former chief executive of DaimlerChrysler and a member of the presidential investment committee; Nkosana Moyo, a pilot and managing director Actis Capital; and Koosum Kalyan, an adviser to the UK prime minister's Commission for Africa.
Also appointed to SAA's board are Billy Modise, who was South Africa's high commissioner in Canada until 1999 and was the chief of protocol in the foreign affairs department; and Margie Whitehouse, who has experience in building African brands. These appointments are for three years.
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Is it not amazing how the only HIGH operating cost (state-owned) airline in the country can "afford" to start a low cost airline using state-of-the-art new aircraft, while the others limp along barely making marginal profits with outdated aircraft? What a country!!