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With respect to all the issues around the new SAA, accelerated command etc, I would like to know:
The goverment is planning to attain a 70% black, 30% other ratio in the airline, across the board at every level, I hear.....(remember this is a rumour network).
Now seeing as EVERYTHING in the "New South Africa" is SKIN COLOUR, just as it was in the old "Regime".... WHAT IS THE RATIO OF PEOPLE'S SKIN COLOUR WHO BUY THE TICKETS AND TRAVEL ON THE AEROPLANES!!!????
i.e. People who are actually paying, NOT the goverment gravy-trainers!
If this ratio is warped in favour of "Lily white skin people" travelling, why don't they STOP travelling with SAA and start travelling with the private airlines???
The goverment is planning to attain a 70% black, 30% other ratio in the airline, across the board at every level, I hear.....(remember this is a rumour network).
Now seeing as EVERYTHING in the "New South Africa" is SKIN COLOUR, just as it was in the old "Regime".... WHAT IS THE RATIO OF PEOPLE'S SKIN COLOUR WHO BUY THE TICKETS AND TRAVEL ON THE AEROPLANES!!!????
i.e. People who are actually paying, NOT the goverment gravy-trainers!
If this ratio is warped in favour of "Lily white skin people" travelling, why don't they STOP travelling with SAA and start travelling with the private airlines???
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Well, I voted for the 'free speech' thing, because I'm always for that on principle - if you don't want to see it, don't look. Nonetheless 3rdbogey, I'm afraid this thread has no future. We've been down this road quite a few times on this forum, it doesn't help. 
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IMHO it is not going to make a blind bit of difference in a couple of years. Within a short time the ME and Asia will be crying out for flight crews.
Here are some fairly basic facts presented at a GAPAN Instructor forum at RAF Cranwell last week.
1. Emirates are taking delivery of an aircraft a month for the next 10 years
2. Qatar and Oman (population 200k) are rapidly expanding
3. China needs 3000 pilots a year to stand still – they are only training 780 per year at the moment.
How long is it going to be before these areas start sucking in people from SA, starting with the qualified and experienced? Pay will be better than SAR, in USD and also tax free. My suggestion is to find some way to get type rated on jets and some jet experience asap.
By the way Ryanair are pretty desperate as well and this will have some effect on the European marketplace for opportunities for people prepared to get a JAR license.
Here are some fairly basic facts presented at a GAPAN Instructor forum at RAF Cranwell last week.
1. Emirates are taking delivery of an aircraft a month for the next 10 years
2. Qatar and Oman (population 200k) are rapidly expanding
3. China needs 3000 pilots a year to stand still – they are only training 780 per year at the moment.
How long is it going to be before these areas start sucking in people from SA, starting with the qualified and experienced? Pay will be better than SAR, in USD and also tax free. My suggestion is to find some way to get type rated on jets and some jet experience asap.
By the way Ryanair are pretty desperate as well and this will have some effect on the European marketplace for opportunities for people prepared to get a JAR license.
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Well, when demand exceeds supply to such an extent as outlined heretofore, supply quality must deteriorate with a consequent similar fall manifested in the machinery operated.
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With respect to all the issues around the new SAA, accelerated command etc, I would like to know:
The goverment is planning to attain a 70% black, 30% other ratio in the airline, across the board at every level, I hear.....(remember this is a rumour network).
The goverment is planning to attain a 70% black, 30% other ratio in the airline, across the board at every level, I hear.....(remember this is a rumour network).
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Mercy buckets, Mr Antman...
One has a CV with EK. Been about a month since an update for what it's worth. No jet time, you see.
Need to keep trying and find out just how hard up they really are for crews...
One has a CV with EK. Been about a month since an update for what it's worth. No jet time, you see.
Need to keep trying and find out just how hard up they really are for crews...
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I don't think age is an issue anymore whereever. I know someone with only 400 hours who is your age who will be joining Ryanair shortly. I think you will find that a time will come where age and maturity will also become a factor for airlines to consider in the not too distant future. There was this school of thought that said an airline needs to get young people in because of the investment they were making in the individuals that they needed them to remain with the airline for a fairly long duration. However, it seems that the low-cost carriers now only keep the staff for around 5 years anyway so what difference does age now make? BA are moving to keep their crews on to age 65 now (instead of 55) as a pension issue mainly, but it also has much to do with retaining staff with experience for longer as well.
It won't be only the pale males who will be moving, as I recall Air Zim sent some cadets to train at Oxford back in the late 80's. Later some of these individuals, armed with a UK CAA license, jumped ship to go and work in the ME for the obviously more lucrative salaries. I'll bet it won't be long before the same thing happens at SAA et al!
I don't think age is an issue anymore whereever. I know someone with only 400 hours who is your age who will be joining Ryanair shortly. I think you will find that a time will come where age and maturity will also become a factor for airlines to consider in the not too distant future. There was this school of thought that said an airline needs to get young people in because of the investment they were making in the individuals that they needed them to remain with the airline for a fairly long duration. However, it seems that the low-cost carriers now only keep the staff for around 5 years anyway so what difference does age now make? BA are moving to keep their crews on to age 65 now (instead of 55) as a pension issue mainly, but it also has much to do with retaining staff with experience for longer as well.
It won't be only the pale males who will be moving, as I recall Air Zim sent some cadets to train at Oxford back in the late 80's. Later some of these individuals, armed with a UK CAA license, jumped ship to go and work in the ME for the obviously more lucrative salaries. I'll bet it won't be long before the same thing happens at SAA et al!
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"If this ratio is warped in favour of "Lily white skin people" travelling, why don't they STOP travelling with SAA and start travelling with the private airlines???"
I think Mr Bogey that beyond the crew makeup, service has been lacking a bit( in the back anyway) and those who can, ARE choosing other means of travel.
I think Mr Bogey that beyond the crew makeup, service has been lacking a bit( in the back anyway) and those who can, ARE choosing other means of travel.
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Sounds like racism to me or am I just another loony - SRT?
Excellent speech by Tutu yesterday? Should do much to restore balanced business confidence in South Africa?
Archbishop Desmond Tutu has said South Africa's white community has not shown enough appreciation of the generosity shown to them by black South Africans.
Ex-President FW de Klerk said in turn that black citizens should be grateful to whites for surrendering power.
I suppose that I should be thankful that I travel on a Moldavian passport these days.
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Thank you for the compliment.
I shall now go and watch 'The Blue Max' secure in the knowledge that I am not the only devilishly handsome, glory hunting philanderer endowed with a Gablesque pyschosis problem and an appreciative eye for more than one kind of baubly bubble
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70% black and 30% others!!???
Dont think that will happen. There is already a crew shortage and no blacks to fill the posts. I do not hear any black accents over the radio waves, nor do I see black faces at the flying schools!
Unless SAA is planning on "importing" some blacks from other African countries, I'm afraid those figures are just a dream. It is my opinion that blacks do not want to fly, otherwise we would have seen many more in the USA airlines as an example. By the way, it is not just SAA that want to have "locals" on the flight deck, I believe other international airlines are also "promoting" that there should be "representation" on the deck.
It surely is interesting times ahead of us. Bottom line for me, I dont really want to leave South Africa. It is a great country and if we can just sort out crime and stop harping on the past, it will be an AWESOME country.
SAA might perform like the Springboks did a couple of years back, but look at the Boks now. There is hope!
Dont think that will happen. There is already a crew shortage and no blacks to fill the posts. I do not hear any black accents over the radio waves, nor do I see black faces at the flying schools!
Unless SAA is planning on "importing" some blacks from other African countries, I'm afraid those figures are just a dream. It is my opinion that blacks do not want to fly, otherwise we would have seen many more in the USA airlines as an example. By the way, it is not just SAA that want to have "locals" on the flight deck, I believe other international airlines are also "promoting" that there should be "representation" on the deck.
It surely is interesting times ahead of us. Bottom line for me, I dont really want to leave South Africa. It is a great country and if we can just sort out crime and stop harping on the past, it will be an AWESOME country.
SAA might perform like the Springboks did a couple of years back, but look at the Boks now. There is hope!
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70% black and 30% others!!???
Dont think that will happen. There is already a crew shortage and no blacks to fill the posts. I do not hear any black accents over the radio waves, nor do I see black faces at the flying schools!
Unless SAA is planning on "importing" some blacks from other African countries, I'm afraid those figures are just a dream. It is my opinion that blacks do not want to fly, otherwise we would have seen many more in the USA airlines as an example. By the way, it is not just SAA that want to have "locals" on the flight deck, I believe other international airlines are also "promoting" that there should be "representation" on the deck.
It surely is interesting times ahead of us. Bottom line for me, I dont really want to leave South Africa. It is a great country and if we can just sort out crime and stop harping on the past, it will be an AWESOME country.
SAA might perform like the Springboks did a couple of years back, but look at the Boks now. There is hope!
Dont think that will happen. There is already a crew shortage and no blacks to fill the posts. I do not hear any black accents over the radio waves, nor do I see black faces at the flying schools!
Unless SAA is planning on "importing" some blacks from other African countries, I'm afraid those figures are just a dream. It is my opinion that blacks do not want to fly, otherwise we would have seen many more in the USA airlines as an example. By the way, it is not just SAA that want to have "locals" on the flight deck, I believe other international airlines are also "promoting" that there should be "representation" on the deck.
It surely is interesting times ahead of us. Bottom line for me, I dont really want to leave South Africa. It is a great country and if we can just sort out crime and stop harping on the past, it will be an AWESOME country.
SAA might perform like the Springboks did a couple of years back, but look at the Boks now. There is hope!
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"Excellent speech by Tutu yesterday? Should do much to restore balanced business confidence in South Africa?
Archbishop Desmond Tutu has said South Africa's white community has not shown enough appreciation of the generosity shown to them by black South Africans."
What do you expect the twit to say. I ran into him a couple months ago as he got off a lear jet in Atlanta Ga.......Not a bad life, flitting around the world.
Hes probably right though in the fact that THEY have control now and if you dont like it try and get out...
FW's statement fell on deaf ears....
Archbishop Desmond Tutu has said South Africa's white community has not shown enough appreciation of the generosity shown to them by black South Africans."
What do you expect the twit to say. I ran into him a couple months ago as he got off a lear jet in Atlanta Ga.......Not a bad life, flitting around the world.
Hes probably right though in the fact that THEY have control now and if you dont like it try and get out...
FW's statement fell on deaf ears....
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Well yes, importing pilots in order to place the approved reflection in the cockpit? Air Botswana did that some years ago for just the very same motive as mooted by FWK. It didn't really have any internatonal impact but were such an employment policy adopted by SAA; it would attract comment and probably favourable at that from the world press.
Bishop Desmond Tutu of Klerksdorp? A cunning llittle artificer who cloaks his evil humour with such an abuse of ecclesiastical power as to make a medieval paederastic pope appear benign.
Mind you though, I'll wager he has no shortage of passports for himself and his entourage of parasites. A man who thoroughly disgusts me.
