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Heard that a 206 crashed today in the Katavi area. Pilot ok.
The cause was apparently an engine failure. Aircraft seriously damaged.
The cause was apparently an engine failure. Aircraft seriously damaged.
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Just got off the phone with the pilot of the said aircraft. Facts are the pilot is ok, not a scratch and no pax injured because there were none on board. Yes I do know the details but I will not post them as there has been no investigation. The pilot has not even had a chance to submit a report to the chief pilot yet. Looks like the plane may be out for a long time though.
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I am very sorry for the pilot.
Someone got to stop that Greek guy. Two engines failures in a few months to the same air company is not good.Plus is attitude is not a proper attitude for air operator owner.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
Someone got to stop that Greek guy. Two engines failures in a few months to the same air company is not good.Plus is attitude is not a proper attitude for air operator owner.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
Riccardo i hope u mean by stopping that greek guy your talking about the maintenance facility Tz. Engine failures happen, this company was a bit unlucky with thankfully good pilots to make sure it wasnt a fatal situation. Also spoke to the pilot and I'm very familiar with the area where the accident happened. Bloody good job cause there isn't much room to park an aircraft in amongst the baobab trees. Well done to the pilot 
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"Riccardo i hope u mean by stopping that greek guy your talking about the maintenance facility Tz. Engine failures happen, this company was a bit unlucky"
I am talking about the Greek guy the runs the air company In Arusha.That Greek guy is not only not a correct person but also he is so much on the money that wont be surprise of ...... I met him and his C206 .He make me loose another job in Dar because he did not have any pilots to fly the C 206 and he can get very nasty and with mafia attitudethat he scared the owner of the company where I was suppost to work. I send to hell him and his friends that supported him.
About the C206 I saw it on the apron of the airport in Arusha already was not in good condintions and also he knew about linking problem ,infact himself told me that airplane was supposed to go for a check in Dar.
He ask me also 5000$ dollars for flying the C208 like security deposit,I have an ATP with be 1900,Be 200 and MU 2 type ratings do you think that I am going to spend money for him ?He doesnt give a damn about his own pilots or workers. Many lefts his company for his attitude
I spent over 3000$ for the trip in Tanzania and I told him that I was there to vist most of the air company in Tanzania , but no he thought that I was suppost to go there only for him , just for cause the same day I was there a pilot was leaving his job with him without be replaced.Now I now why nobody want to fly with him.
Talking about two engine failure I would like to tell you that I have been in aviation for over 20 years and there is not such think call "unlucky"two engine failure in a few month give a really bad reputation to an air company.Th Greek knows all about .About the meccanic in Dar I met that Italian guy I can not say anythink bad about him ,I never had to work with him.
My best hope is that someone stop him from douing any business in aviation and for now I mak sure that he will go on the blak list of the air company not fly.On one thik you are right he got very good pilots that save their life and passengers life.Now that is luck.
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I am talking about the Greek guy the runs the air company In Arusha.That Greek guy is not only not a correct person but also he is so much on the money that wont be surprise of ...... I met him and his C206 .He make me loose another job in Dar because he did not have any pilots to fly the C 206 and he can get very nasty and with mafia attitudethat he scared the owner of the company where I was suppost to work. I send to hell him and his friends that supported him.
About the C206 I saw it on the apron of the airport in Arusha already was not in good condintions and also he knew about linking problem ,infact himself told me that airplane was supposed to go for a check in Dar.
He ask me also 5000$ dollars for flying the C208 like security deposit,I have an ATP with be 1900,Be 200 and MU 2 type ratings do you think that I am going to spend money for him ?He doesnt give a damn about his own pilots or workers. Many lefts his company for his attitude
I spent over 3000$ for the trip in Tanzania and I told him that I was there to vist most of the air company in Tanzania , but no he thought that I was suppost to go there only for him , just for cause the same day I was there a pilot was leaving his job with him without be replaced.Now I now why nobody want to fly with him.
Talking about two engine failure I would like to tell you that I have been in aviation for over 20 years and there is not such think call "unlucky"two engine failure in a few month give a really bad reputation to an air company.Th Greek knows all about .About the meccanic in Dar I met that Italian guy I can not say anythink bad about him ,I never had to work with him.
My best hope is that someone stop him from douing any business in aviation and for now I mak sure that he will go on the blak list of the air company not fly.On one thik you are right he got very good pilots that save their life and passengers life.Now that is luck.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
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Having flown for 6 years in Tanzania, I have no complain about maintenance in Dar, they get the job done, slow, expensive but safe.
Sorry for the plane down, I do know this operation in Arusha, the owner is a really safety orientated person, I do not see this guy taking any chances.
Sorry for the plane down, I do know this operation in Arusha, the owner is a really safety orientated person, I do not see this guy taking any chances.
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Wowowowow
I think I'd have to agree with u there Helldog!!!!
This topic about the Greek is getting tooo hot too touch!!! ooouch!!!!
But I'm sure that there are many out there who would just love to fuel the fire!!!!
I'm gonna take the back seat for this one!!! I know it could get very interesting exciting and heated!!!!!
At the end of the day I'd have to agree with FHMO the pilot must have done a very very good job with not a lot of room to play with!!!!!
Good On Her!!!!!
"Any Landing You Can Walk Away From Is A Good One"
Happy Landings!!!!!!
Pete!!!!
This topic about the Greek is getting tooo hot too touch!!! ooouch!!!!
But I'm sure that there are many out there who would just love to fuel the fire!!!!
I'm gonna take the back seat for this one!!! I know it could get very interesting exciting and heated!!!!!
At the end of the day I'd have to agree with FHMO the pilot must have done a very very good job with not a lot of room to play with!!!!!
Good On Her!!!!!
"Any Landing You Can Walk Away From Is A Good One"
Happy Landings!!!!!!
Pete!!!!
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Who fault was?
flyingmasai
let me ask a question .If is not a fault of the meccanics,If is not a fault of the Air operator WHO is guilty?
Here we have two airplane down and few months ,that is very strange.
Now according to my point of wiew the meccanics could be not due to the fact they do checks on the own airplanes and also for others I did not heard not too many engines failures .
The pilots? maybe,but what reasons do they have to make an engine failure on an airplane runnig well?Risking their own life and the own reputation?
So let me tell you straight that escluding the meccanics, escluding the pilots,the only remening is the Air operator.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
let me ask a question .If is not a fault of the meccanics,If is not a fault of the Air operator WHO is guilty?
Here we have two airplane down and few months ,that is very strange.
Now according to my point of wiew the meccanics could be not due to the fact they do checks on the own airplanes and also for others I did not heard not too many engines failures .
The pilots? maybe,but what reasons do they have to make an engine failure on an airplane runnig well?Risking their own life and the own reputation?
So let me tell you straight that escluding the meccanics, escluding the pilots,the only remening is the Air operator.
Sincerely
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hello ladies i was away for a few days only and your all gossin...again,about the self proclaimed best pilot in the world..
anyways for wht its worth this would be a second engine failure on emk..if my memory serves me correct..the first happened after take off from htlm i think with that ultra short guy that walks on his toes....
ok now for some real stuff...before you fellas start praising the pic of emk for making such a gr8 job of bending the 206 i would like to remind you fellas this would be the second such incident of hers..i do recall her doing a left turn off rwy09,in an unusually overloaded 206..well after spending some quality time with the ward boys at the hospital ..there she was again lining up on rwy09 at arusha no prizes for guessing where she was gonna turn after take off...he he he its all gud fun...
and finally i would like to sympatise with mr.volante and also would like to wellcome the flying-blonde-masai to the wonderfull world of african aviation..as he may realise it is a much better place to hang out then the silly french forum...
keep it up there fellows,
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anyways for wht its worth this would be a second engine failure on emk..if my memory serves me correct..the first happened after take off from htlm i think with that ultra short guy that walks on his toes....
ok now for some real stuff...before you fellas start praising the pic of emk for making such a gr8 job of bending the 206 i would like to remind you fellas this would be the second such incident of hers..i do recall her doing a left turn off rwy09,in an unusually overloaded 206..well after spending some quality time with the ward boys at the hospital ..there she was again lining up on rwy09 at arusha no prizes for guessing where she was gonna turn after take off...he he he its all gud fun...
and finally i would like to sympatise with mr.volante and also would like to wellcome the flying-blonde-masai to the wonderfull world of african aviation..as he may realise it is a much better place to hang out then the silly french forum...
keep it up there fellows,
no more 206pilot
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no more 406pilot
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Yow ! Don`t you know engines are made to fail ? or are you saying the mechanics are no good ?
Without predjudice:
This greek guy does he ever sit in his planes ? or is it because TZ is a Bannana Republic ? 2 planes down in 2 months from the same company ? that`s either fate or just a bad record !
The Sarge.
Without predjudice:
This greek guy does he ever sit in his planes ? or is it because TZ is a Bannana Republic ? 2 planes down in 2 months from the same company ? that`s either fate or just a bad record !
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Lets deal with the issues here in the correct order.
1. The PIC has a lot of hours on C206 and has flown out of some of the toughest strips you can imagine. She did this for years and I have absolutely no doubt about her competance. Two forced landings is unlucky but the fact that on both occasions she pulled them off speaks volumes about her abilities.
2. Mike is known for being a difficult person. On arriving in Arusha I heard a lot of comments about him, many not too nice. However, he is a very good pilot (this not coming from him but from the examiner who does his renewals and from the people with whom he works) and he works VERY hard. There are a lot of bad operators around; dont even get me started on people in Zambia and Botswana. At least Mike pays and is actively involved.
3. Safety.. well what can I say. The aircraft definately flew with one wing down, which is not a rigging problem (result of STOL kit) but could be rectifed by remedial rigging. This did not, and could not cause an engine failure! (Pulling off the forced landing with the wing down problem makes it all the more impressive.)
4. Air Excel is not the only company to have engine problems this year. Another company had 3 and the servicing was done at a different AMO. Perhaps there is another cause.
5. Riccardo I understand you being bitter and twisted.. but you should be less emotional about it all!
1. The PIC has a lot of hours on C206 and has flown out of some of the toughest strips you can imagine. She did this for years and I have absolutely no doubt about her competance. Two forced landings is unlucky but the fact that on both occasions she pulled them off speaks volumes about her abilities.
2. Mike is known for being a difficult person. On arriving in Arusha I heard a lot of comments about him, many not too nice. However, he is a very good pilot (this not coming from him but from the examiner who does his renewals and from the people with whom he works) and he works VERY hard. There are a lot of bad operators around; dont even get me started on people in Zambia and Botswana. At least Mike pays and is actively involved.
3. Safety.. well what can I say. The aircraft definately flew with one wing down, which is not a rigging problem (result of STOL kit) but could be rectifed by remedial rigging. This did not, and could not cause an engine failure! (Pulling off the forced landing with the wing down problem makes it all the more impressive.)
4. Air Excel is not the only company to have engine problems this year. Another company had 3 and the servicing was done at a different AMO. Perhaps there is another cause.
5. Riccardo I understand you being bitter and twisted.. but you should be less emotional about it all!
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OK Zedd, I am trying to remain out of this one, despite having more bitterness than Ricardo Volante and many others over the last 10 years, whatever you say, Air Excel has the highest turn-over of pilots in EA and I believe that there are very good reasons for that.
1 - Mike is a very good pilot, definitely. He's a good single-pilot pilot. Would have never got a job on a major airline or in a plane with 2 crew, but great bush pilot.
2 - EMK's pilot at the time of the crash: I don't want to comment on her, although the previous crash could be blame on pilot's decision making, she did not have the best conditions. As for this one, it is an engine failure, nothing to do with her flying skills I believe. she's a really cool person too.
3 - EMK just having a "ringing" problem?? I only have 500 hrs on that plane but if you look into the history of the machine, it got bend during a small crash, before the Greek bought it. Not only the STOL kit story.
4 - Safety issues with Air Excel... well, I guess it is common in Africa to push on the checks, but we often had to rig the numbers in the tech log so that we could delay taking the plane to Dar or Wilson for the checks. I guess that when you keep on delaying checks, the plane and the engine age faster. This plane has had a **** load of problem since 2002. As for the maintenance companies in Dar and Wilson, maybe if the Greek would give them enough time to work on his planes, they could finish the jobs, instead of shouting at them and pressurizing them to get it done haraka sana so that he can get his plane back in the air.
5 - Well, at least Air Excel gets our forum exciting. We keep talking about the "self-proclaimed best pilot in the world" and his company. Why not?
6 - Bitterness and Twisted for Riccardo?! Well, Zedd, there are 2 pilots in EA: those who had a bad experience with the Greek (the majority I believe, again look at the turnover) and the guys that got the hours they needed and were ready to handle and bare the Greek. I do not think that RV is exagerating and I do not want to go into details, but when I resigned from his company, first of all for being fed up to being shouted at like 90% of the pilot working for him at the time and the fact that EMK had quit on me on landing at HTAR and I got blamed for it (it later came out that it was just the idle that had been untuned), he turned into something really nasty, and like RV says, using very dirty method. He got so pissed off that I could get another job (got offered an FO position at RAS and went on with the great Nomads team). He has tried to screw many pilots who had left him. One even "escape", I remember MK finding out the guy was on his way to JRO to board the KLM flight, ha ha ha that was hilarious!
The funniest is when he tried to denounciate me to the immigration, saying I was flying for Nomads illegally (I had been in TZ for 11 years at the time, so I have as many connections as him). The poor immigration officers drove all the way from Dar to Sand Rivers, arriving at 1 a.m. and left after verifying the authenticity of the stamps and papers I had. Needless to say that we didn't offer them any meals or drinks. He refused to release my work permit, which is illegal when the holder has paid for it and since he had retained my last salary of $2,000 (yes, for daring resigning and telling him that I didn't like his attitude, pretty cheap I have to say) he had basically (as agreed anyway) made me pay for the work-permit. He also claimed the rest was for "training", ha ha, on a single-engine piston!!
air Excel, the most expensive flying school in the World, hey, but I understand why: you gotta pay for the greatest instructor of all times. The one and only bush pilot in Africa. And we have to give it to him: he does not crash, only his pilots have engine failure in the air. The last he had was on the 404, on the ground, if I remember well.
Well, I guess I said more than I should have. but what the hell, this is for sharing opinions and views and maybe also enlighting people. I know that a few will disagree with me and I'll get my earfull of bashing, but so what, at least some will understand.
I am expecting someone to reply though.. ok, let me put my helmet and get ready for the beating... Ha ha ha.
Don't we love Africa.
P.S. Just back from a short job in Ethiopia by the way. Wow, awesome country, amazing landscape and great people. I recommend the visit. Oh, and freakin' long runaways too...
1 - Mike is a very good pilot, definitely. He's a good single-pilot pilot. Would have never got a job on a major airline or in a plane with 2 crew, but great bush pilot.
2 - EMK's pilot at the time of the crash: I don't want to comment on her, although the previous crash could be blame on pilot's decision making, she did not have the best conditions. As for this one, it is an engine failure, nothing to do with her flying skills I believe. she's a really cool person too.
3 - EMK just having a "ringing" problem?? I only have 500 hrs on that plane but if you look into the history of the machine, it got bend during a small crash, before the Greek bought it. Not only the STOL kit story.
4 - Safety issues with Air Excel... well, I guess it is common in Africa to push on the checks, but we often had to rig the numbers in the tech log so that we could delay taking the plane to Dar or Wilson for the checks. I guess that when you keep on delaying checks, the plane and the engine age faster. This plane has had a **** load of problem since 2002. As for the maintenance companies in Dar and Wilson, maybe if the Greek would give them enough time to work on his planes, they could finish the jobs, instead of shouting at them and pressurizing them to get it done haraka sana so that he can get his plane back in the air.
5 - Well, at least Air Excel gets our forum exciting. We keep talking about the "self-proclaimed best pilot in the world" and his company. Why not?
6 - Bitterness and Twisted for Riccardo?! Well, Zedd, there are 2 pilots in EA: those who had a bad experience with the Greek (the majority I believe, again look at the turnover) and the guys that got the hours they needed and were ready to handle and bare the Greek. I do not think that RV is exagerating and I do not want to go into details, but when I resigned from his company, first of all for being fed up to being shouted at like 90% of the pilot working for him at the time and the fact that EMK had quit on me on landing at HTAR and I got blamed for it (it later came out that it was just the idle that had been untuned), he turned into something really nasty, and like RV says, using very dirty method. He got so pissed off that I could get another job (got offered an FO position at RAS and went on with the great Nomads team). He has tried to screw many pilots who had left him. One even "escape", I remember MK finding out the guy was on his way to JRO to board the KLM flight, ha ha ha that was hilarious!
The funniest is when he tried to denounciate me to the immigration, saying I was flying for Nomads illegally (I had been in TZ for 11 years at the time, so I have as many connections as him). The poor immigration officers drove all the way from Dar to Sand Rivers, arriving at 1 a.m. and left after verifying the authenticity of the stamps and papers I had. Needless to say that we didn't offer them any meals or drinks. He refused to release my work permit, which is illegal when the holder has paid for it and since he had retained my last salary of $2,000 (yes, for daring resigning and telling him that I didn't like his attitude, pretty cheap I have to say) he had basically (as agreed anyway) made me pay for the work-permit. He also claimed the rest was for "training", ha ha, on a single-engine piston!!
air Excel, the most expensive flying school in the World, hey, but I understand why: you gotta pay for the greatest instructor of all times. The one and only bush pilot in Africa. And we have to give it to him: he does not crash, only his pilots have engine failure in the air. The last he had was on the 404, on the ground, if I remember well.
Well, I guess I said more than I should have. but what the hell, this is for sharing opinions and views and maybe also enlighting people. I know that a few will disagree with me and I'll get my earfull of bashing, but so what, at least some will understand.
I am expecting someone to reply though.. ok, let me put my helmet and get ready for the beating... Ha ha ha.
Don't we love Africa.
P.S. Just back from a short job in Ethiopia by the way. Wow, awesome country, amazing landscape and great people. I recommend the visit. Oh, and freakin' long runaways too...
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You got your answer
Dear Zedd you got your answer back from ShenziRubani.
Thank you my friend ShenziRubani.Did we met in Tanzania before?
Sincerly
Riccardo Volante
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Zedd next time be less emotional in your judgment.Could happen to you same or worse story like that.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante
Thank you my friend ShenziRubani.Did we met in Tanzania before?
Sincerly
Riccardo Volante
PS
Zedd next time be less emotional in your judgment.Could happen to you same or worse story like that.
Sincerely
Riccardo Volante