Lets All Wake Up
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Hey there all u p-pruners, I was just thinking about all the foreigners, coming and taking the bread out of our young South African pilot's mouths....Its time to protect our little cesspool of an industry for the younger generations of pilots coming thru the ranks at an alarming pace. We have so many licenced, unemployed young guys and girls out there, and yet you all advertise to, and invite the outsiders, for whom getting ratings and validations costs just about nothing compared to the hellish prices paid by locals, just to try make themselves employable. Ponder this...for one of us to go and get a licence that actually means something, not to mention the rights to work in their countries, is nigh impossible due to financial constraints etc, but for them its a cinch to come and operate our machines, keeping our pilots on the ground. It also alarms me, at how easily the operators hire foreign pilots, slap them with a validation and send them on contract in our machines....Protect our industry people, or else one day it might be you or your kids who sit and watch all the pretty little ZS a/c flying around, speaking in strange tongues on the radio.....
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Well KB14 I can give you some hints why, because SOME South Africans with an attitude like you are not liked by potential employers. Besides, what about all the South Africans flying outside of Africa? Guess you are not trying to find a job outside Africa?
I'm an European as you may notice. I have JAA and FAA licenses and even had a South African validation license on which I was flying ZS aircraft.
The pilot market is an international one and if you don't like this, well then that's your problem.
Cheers
I'm an European as you may notice. I have JAA and FAA licenses and even had a South African validation license on which I was flying ZS aircraft.
The pilot market is an international one and if you don't like this, well then that's your problem.
Cheers
Uh oh...facts getting in the way of a good whinge.....not cricket dear boy!
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Sheesh guys you are turning this into a bash KiloBravo14 thread.
Let the guy vent....we all need a good vent now and again....just a pity some of you vent from the wrong part of your anatomy..
Hey KB14.....with you all the way bud.....
Let the guy vent....we all need a good vent now and again....just a pity some of you vent from the wrong part of your anatomy..
Hey KB14.....with you all the way bud.....
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The BEEEEG fact you're all missing, is that our little CAA slip, doesnt really get recognised throughout the world, whereas FAA, anr JAR is your ticket. Our industry also bears no semblence to those of the first world, and here its tooth and nail, between the south africans, now add all those with the " power tickets " and whats left for the new youngsters????? Forget about about the airlines, i'm specifically referring to the contract market, which should be the place where iur new pilots go to cut their teeth, but those seats are already full of foreign butts....not right my friends. The airline market doesnt really belong to anyone, but we must protect our training ground....
OH, and by the by, no need to worry about me folks, I\'m working as the chief pilot for a large american aviation company, flying ZS planes, but not in Africa, so before you think i\'m some sour puss without a job.......its the hundreds of youngsters that pay hundreds of thousands every month with great dreams and aspirations, only to find that the seats are already taken....its them I worry about
OH, and by the by, no need to worry about me folks, I\'m working as the chief pilot for a large american aviation company, flying ZS planes, but not in Africa, so before you think i\'m some sour puss without a job.......its the hundreds of youngsters that pay hundreds of thousands every month with great dreams and aspirations, only to find that the seats are already taken....its them I worry about
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No offence, but I was under the impression that this game is an international one and if a person has what an employer wants, whether from that particular country or not, he will get the job ? I've worked in Hong Kong, Brunei, Germany, France, Nigeria and Canada and nobody ever questioned why I got the job as a foreigner, only if I could do the job !!
Perhaps a better question you should be asking is why SA employers take foreigners and not home grown people ?
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NEO.
Perhaps a better question you should be asking is why SA employers take foreigners and not home grown people ?
Cheers,
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i think these days contract companies dont really care who they employ so as long as they meet customer minimun requirements.
also, there may well be lots of newly licenced south africans looking for their first job, but when some foreign pilot presents themselves with the required rating and some time on type, you can understand why they get the nod ahead of someone who needs the initial rating.
i understand your point, but unfortunately national socialism went out after ww2.
also, there may well be lots of newly licenced south africans looking for their first job, but when some foreign pilot presents themselves with the required rating and some time on type, you can understand why they get the nod ahead of someone who needs the initial rating.
i understand your point, but unfortunately national socialism went out after ww2.
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KB14
If you are a Chief Pilot somewhere its because some company liked your resume, not because your South African. Same with most all companies. They hire on resumes to get what they need to make money......Nationality means squat.
I think your jabbing the folks to get a rise because Im sure we can send back more South Africans than you can export........
If you are a Chief Pilot somewhere its because some company liked your resume, not because your South African. Same with most all companies. They hire on resumes to get what they need to make money......Nationality means squat.
I think your jabbing the folks to get a rise because Im sure we can send back more South Africans than you can export........
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KB14,
If your point is valid (which I don't think it is), the perhaps all the South Africans (and all others) should piss off out of the UK, where you all come to get well paid jobs (aviation and otherwise).
The UK student pilot probably pays more for their license than any other country, and don't all have rich dad's to pay for it.
I flew in Zambia for 2 years and loved it. Now back in the UK. My mates fly all over the world (Hong Kong/NZ/OZ/Afganistan). That is the nature of the business. You have even said that you fly abroad!!!!!
The employer will pick who is best for the job in their opinion, and I don't beleive that Government should be allowed to tell then who they can and can't hire.
Not wishing to get any more contoversial, but the last time a certain group of "South Africans" tried to keep what they had all for themselves, the world seemed to turn against them (I'm sure you know what I mean).
In the UK, if I phone Directory Enquiries, then I'll probably be put through to a call centre in India!!
The world is a smaller place now, probably best if you come to terms with that.
BTW, what I've said should be taken in the correct manner, its not meant to offend.
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If your point is valid (which I don't think it is), the perhaps all the South Africans (and all others) should piss off out of the UK, where you all come to get well paid jobs (aviation and otherwise).
The UK student pilot probably pays more for their license than any other country, and don't all have rich dad's to pay for it.
I flew in Zambia for 2 years and loved it. Now back in the UK. My mates fly all over the world (Hong Kong/NZ/OZ/Afganistan). That is the nature of the business. You have even said that you fly abroad!!!!!
The employer will pick who is best for the job in their opinion, and I don't beleive that Government should be allowed to tell then who they can and can't hire.
Not wishing to get any more contoversial, but the last time a certain group of "South Africans" tried to keep what they had all for themselves, the world seemed to turn against them (I'm sure you know what I mean).
In the UK, if I phone Directory Enquiries, then I'll probably be put through to a call centre in India!!
The world is a smaller place now, probably best if you come to terms with that.
BTW, what I've said should be taken in the correct manner, its not meant to offend.
Cheers
JF
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I'll rather just take that route out of this thread, cause to have to continue pulling this train of thought apart, with someone who thinks that mentioning the actions of certain @rseholic figures of past, would just bore, and tire me to the point of projectile vomiting at your post. 
On the positive side, know that you have my sympathy, you are a sad sad person
On the positive side, know that you have my sympathy, you are a sad sad person
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KB 14, I guess this thread will die of a silent death, but I wanted to note that I got a shock when I read you. What had happened in the last year, since I left East Africa?! What cataclysm had fallen on the South African pilots?!! Is it payback time? Is it that what goes around comes around: listen Chief Pilot, we have been complaining about the same thing in East Africa, West Africa, the Indian Ocean, North Africa, over the last 10 years: complaining over the cheap South African pilots coming to take the bread out of our plates. They had good resumes and were cheap. Every operator would want one.
Well, it is the nature of our industry, it is the nature of aviation. From the day some dudes on a beach put an engine and a wing together and got it flying, this machine was gonna be travelling the world and its pilots too, looking for jobs wherever they could. Protectionism is not good in our industry sir.
Well, it is the nature of our industry, it is the nature of aviation. From the day some dudes on a beach put an engine and a wing together and got it flying, this machine was gonna be travelling the world and its pilots too, looking for jobs wherever they could. Protectionism is not good in our industry sir.
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Well not exactly on the same vein but, you can have all the South African doctors who have immigrated to Canada back if you are going to complain about the pilots from other countries coming there.
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Sheez Ecnalubma - PLEEEZ can we have some doctors back... 
There are bugger-all left here - except, of course, for the Cuban's and a few others who seem to have forgotten both the Hippocratic (?) Oath and their medical training...
As for KB14 - as I said earlier, not a bad point.. The thing is really, I think he is mainly referring to the youngsters who are (trying) to start out. Ya'know, the guys who have saved up and battled to get their com licence and now try to get a job on a small charter licence, flying small singles for a Rand a mile... NOT the guys on King-Airs and the heavies... totally different world that and no-one will question that it is truly an international market.
We all know youngsters who would give their all just to get a job in their chosen field, so one day they can also fly for the big boys around the world.
Cheers
R
There are bugger-all left here - except, of course, for the Cuban's and a few others who seem to have forgotten both the Hippocratic (?) Oath and their medical training...
As for KB14 - as I said earlier, not a bad point.. The thing is really, I think he is mainly referring to the youngsters who are (trying) to start out. Ya'know, the guys who have saved up and battled to get their com licence and now try to get a job on a small charter licence, flying small singles for a Rand a mile... NOT the guys on King-Airs and the heavies... totally different world that and no-one will question that it is truly an international market.
We all know youngsters who would give their all just to get a job in their chosen field, so one day they can also fly for the big boys around the world.
Cheers
R