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Old 12th Mar 2024, 13:56
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Russian Il-76 crashed near Ivanovo

Russian Telegram channels report that an aircraft caught fire in Russian Ivanovo airfield and sharply began to descend. Black smoke is coming from the crash site, locals report.
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More clips, one looks like it shed and engine?

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At 0:03 watching https://t.me/bazabazon/25784 something fell or was jettisoned.
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Can’t understand how one engine failure can cause a fatal crash🤔🤔🤔
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Originally Posted by TOMCAT22
Can’t understand how one engine failure can cause a fatal crash🤔🤔🤔
El Al 1862...
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Originally Posted by TOMCAT22
Can’t understand how one engine failure can cause a fatal crash🤔🤔🤔
And, in addition to the EL Al, an eerily similar IL-76 crash just 2 years ago. So yes, it can and does happen.
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That lost two engines I believe,not one.🤔
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El Al 1862...
According my knowledge at this accident the number 3 engine broke off and turned right to brake off the number 4 engine - two engines gone!
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According my knowledge at this accident the number 3 engine broke off and turned right to brake off the number 4 engine - two engines gone!
Two engines and a big chunk of the leading edge.
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Looks very much like a double-engine event, as right from the start of the
vid while #4 is burning vigorously (both above and below the wing - !!!) there is a visible white trail apparently coming from #3 which intensifies as the video goes on.

Leaving one less for tomorrow...
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El Al 1862...
Actually it lost 2 engines!... N.3 detached and hit N.4 which also detached. The right wing lost all hydraulic systems, so when they extended the flap for the immediate landing back to Schipol, the extra lift on the left wing was not compensated on the right one as those flap did not extend so it was lost control of aircraft which banked continuously on the right then the crash... 😪
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1. We were all familiar and proficient flying no-Flap approaches
2. Much Less drag from zero flaps, as opposed to partial flap in an already thrust deficient situation (2 engines inop)
3. Less moving parts (flaps) on a wing that is possibly already damaged.

Food for thought.

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Originally Posted by Chiefttp
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1. We were all familiar and proficient flying no-Flap approaches
2. Much Less drag from zero flaps, as opposed to partial flap in an already thrust deficient situation (2 engines inop)
3. Less moving parts (flaps) on a wing that is possibly already damaged.

Food for thought.
I also flew a 4-engined aircraft for 15 years (B744) and practised a 2-eng approach at sim... without other failures together... in that case (El Al) they lost 2 engines on the right wing and all the hydraulics moving the relevant lift devices... it's a "quite complicated scenario"... they had also the flight engineer... unfortunately no one realised the relationship between the loss of hydraulics on one side and the asymmetric lift situation which led them to lose control...
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nicely performed sabotage 👍👍
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In this video it looks like No. 4 breaks off but No. 3 remains in place - hard to be certain, of course. https://t.me/breakingmash/52328
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nicely performed sabotage 👍👍
Actually there was no sabotage here even if it might look odd... here are the details 👇

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_1862
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I recall (from memory) two 707s departed both engines one side, one in a KC-135 (wake turbulence in formation) and one civvy (Trans Air...?) Both made it home safe.

I also recall a Boeing pre-delivery 707 that departed three engines after doing Dutch rolls; they got it on the ground, but there were fatalities.

So it's not unprecedented.
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Originally Posted by GregAmy
I recall (from memory) two 707s departed both engines one side, one in a KC-135 (wake turbulence in formation) and one civvy (Trans Air...?) Both made it home safe.

I also recall a Boeing pre-delivery 707 that departed three engines after doing Dutch rolls; they got it on the ground, but there were fatalities.

So it's not unprecedented.
The Trans-Air incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-...ice_Flight_671
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The final seconds as it goes into the forest.

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Originally Posted by capricorn23
I also flew a 4-engined aircraft for 15 years (B744) and practised a 2-eng approach at sim... without other failures together... in that case (El Al) they lost 2 engines on the right wing and all the hydraulics moving the relevant lift devices... it's a "quite complicated scenario"... they had also the flight engineer... unfortunately no one realised the relationship between the loss of hydraulics on one side and the asymmetric lift situation which led them to lose control...
It's been a long time since I worked on the 747 but I thought the high lift devices were linked mechanically so how does the loss of one or even two hydraulics systems cause assymmetrical deployment of flaps/flaps?
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