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StephanKoelliker 12th Mar 2024 13:56

Russian Il-76 crashed near Ivanovo
 
Russian Telegram channels report that an aircraft caught fire in Russian Ivanovo airfield and sharply began to descend. Black smoke is coming from the crash site, locals report.

NutLoose 12th Mar 2024 14:51

More clips, one looks like it shed and engine?


Nil by mouth 12th Mar 2024 15:09

At 0:03 watching https://t.me/bazabazon/25784 something fell or was jettisoned.

TOMCAT22 12th Mar 2024 19:27

Can’t understand how one engine failure can cause a fatal crash🤔🤔🤔

procede 12th Mar 2024 19:36


Originally Posted by TOMCAT22 (Post 11614304)
Can’t understand how one engine failure can cause a fatal crash🤔🤔🤔

El Al 1862...

grizzled 12th Mar 2024 19:54


Originally Posted by TOMCAT22 (Post 11614304)
Can’t understand how one engine failure can cause a fatal crash🤔🤔🤔

And, in addition to the EL Al, an eerily similar IL-76 crash just 2 years ago. So yes, it can and does happen.

TOMCAT22 12th Mar 2024 19:54

That lost two engines I believe,not one.🤔

DouglasFlyer 12th Mar 2024 21:36


Originally Posted by procede (Post 11614310)
El Al 1862...

According my knowledge at this accident the number 3 engine broke off and turned right to brake off the number 4 engine - two engines gone!

xetroV 13th Mar 2024 09:57


Originally Posted by DouglasFlyer (Post 11614377)
According my knowledge at this accident the number 3 engine broke off and turned right to brake off the number 4 engine - two engines gone!

Two engines and a big chunk of the leading edge.

meleagertoo 13th Mar 2024 10:11

Looks very much like a double-engine event, as right from the start of the
vid while #4 is burning vigorously (both above and below the wing - !!!) there is a visible white trail apparently coming from #3 which intensifies as the video goes on.

Leaving one less for tomorrow...

capricorn23 13th Mar 2024 10:12


Originally Posted by procede (Post 11614310)
El Al 1862...

Actually it lost 2 engines!... N.3 detached and hit N.4 which also detached. The right wing lost all hydraulic systems, so when they extended the flap for the immediate landing back to Schipol, the extra lift on the left wing was not compensated on the right one as those flap did not extend so it was lost control of aircraft which banked continuously on the right then the crash... 😪

Chiefttp 13th Mar 2024 11:03

Spoiler
 
1. We were all familiar and proficient flying no-Flap approaches
2. Much Less drag from zero flaps, as opposed to partial flap in an already thrust deficient situation (2 engines inop)
3. Less moving parts (flaps) on a wing that is possibly already damaged.

Food for thought.

capricorn23 13th Mar 2024 11:18


Originally Posted by Chiefttp (Post 11614741)
Spoiler
 
1. We were all familiar and proficient flying no-Flap approaches
2. Much Less drag from zero flaps, as opposed to partial flap in an already thrust deficient situation (2 engines inop)
3. Less moving parts (flaps) on a wing that is possibly already damaged.

Food for thought.

I also flew a 4-engined aircraft for 15 years (B744) and practised a 2-eng approach at sim... without other failures together... in that case (El Al) they lost 2 engines on the right wing and all the hydraulics moving the relevant lift devices... it's a "quite complicated scenario"... they had also the flight engineer... unfortunately no one realised the relationship between the loss of hydraulics on one side and the asymmetric lift situation which led them to lose control...

Qbix 13th Mar 2024 12:06

nicely performed sabotage 👍👍

Liffy 1M 13th Mar 2024 13:56

In this video it looks like No. 4 breaks off but No. 3 remains in place - hard to be certain, of course. https://t.me/breakingmash/52328

capricorn23 13th Mar 2024 14:05


Originally Posted by Qbix (Post 11614804)
nicely performed sabotage 👍👍

Actually there was no sabotage here even if it might look odd... here are the details 👇

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al_Flight_1862

GregAmy 13th Mar 2024 14:20

I recall (from memory) two 707s departed both engines one side, one in a KC-135 (wake turbulence in formation) and one civvy (Trans Air...?) Both made it home safe.

I also recall a Boeing pre-delivery 707 that departed three engines after doing Dutch rolls; they got it on the ground, but there were fatalities.

So it's not unprecedented.

Liffy 1M 13th Mar 2024 17:13


Originally Posted by GregAmy (Post 11614917)
I recall (from memory) two 707s departed both engines one side, one in a KC-135 (wake turbulence in formation) and one civvy (Trans Air...?) Both made it home safe.

I also recall a Boeing pre-delivery 707 that departed three engines after doing Dutch rolls; they got it on the ground, but there were fatalities.

So it's not unprecedented.

The Trans-Air incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-...ice_Flight_671

NutLoose 13th Mar 2024 18:25

The final seconds as it goes into the forest.

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TURIN 13th Mar 2024 21:56


Originally Posted by capricorn23 (Post 11614753)
I also flew a 4-engined aircraft for 15 years (B744) and practised a 2-eng approach at sim... without other failures together... in that case (El Al) they lost 2 engines on the right wing and all the hydraulics moving the relevant lift devices... it's a "quite complicated scenario"... they had also the flight engineer... unfortunately no one realised the relationship between the loss of hydraulics on one side and the asymmetric lift situation which led them to lose control...

It's been a long time since I worked on the 747 but I thought the high lift devices were linked mechanically so how does the loss of one or even two hydraulics systems cause assymmetrical deployment of flaps/flaps?


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