Air Serbia E195 runs into runway lights at Belgrade
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I see that Avherald is also quoting "50 feet" - but then it has form for not understanding ADS-B data.
At that point, height AAL would have been approx 175-200 feet - still low enough to scare the motorists ...
why? As has already been said by several posters (who also tick all the boxes) the controller is not the pilot. He does not have the pertinent take off data. If the crew sound sure of what they are doing it is NOT, repeat, NOT the controller's duty to instruct them how to fly the aeroplane. All the controller can do is ascertain if they really intend use D5 and as an extra measure give them the available distance remaining. I have read that this was done. A transcript will confirm if that was the case.
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There is full ATC Recording (I cannot copy links), but it is on the reddit. Also there is a video from security camera. Tail strike as well. It is on twitter, username @Pedjijatar
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AS86C ATC Recording @ LYBE 18.02.2024.
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”A transcript will confirm if that was the case.“
not only did the controller tell them the remaining distance, he told them to stop and recalculate, and if they couldn’t make it from D5 cleared to backtrack to abeam D6.
i suspect having lined up at the wrong intersection, in haste the crew typed and searched for D5 into the EFB which spat out some numbers, but it went un-noticed that D5 was for 12R not 30L.
not only did the controller tell them the remaining distance, he told them to stop and recalculate, and if they couldn’t make it from D5 cleared to backtrack to abeam D6.
i suspect having lined up at the wrong intersection, in haste the crew typed and searched for D5 into the EFB which spat out some numbers, but it went un-noticed that D5 was for 12R not 30L.
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the ATC certainly knew the plane had PAX because it's a regular flight to Dusseldorf, the difference isn't a few meters but a kilometer, ATC may not be accountable for what happened but certainly morally responsible, some things are just clear without running any calculations
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So far,
crew missed d6 hp, reach d5, atc tried to correct ( three times), they have declared " able" , height was 0 ( zero) m a few hundred meters after end of runway, 15 m near oil station and bilbord at the highway- one low pass, one almost cfit at Avala hill east of the airfield,coupled with near air miss or so with another aircraft, land 40 kts higher than normal,without flaps...
what a shift!
crew missed d6 hp, reach d5, atc tried to correct ( three times), they have declared " able" , height was 0 ( zero) m a few hundred meters after end of runway, 15 m near oil station and bilbord at the highway- one low pass, one almost cfit at Avala hill east of the airfield,coupled with near air miss or so with another aircraft, land 40 kts higher than normal,without flaps...
what a shift!
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- Tower: are you familiar that you entered runway via delta five intersection
- ASL86C: yes tora is two two actually sorry tora is one two seven three metres i assume that's [?not] enough
- Tower: ok calculate and call me if you need you can commence backtrack and line up abeam delta six
I thought my post was pretty benign...I was going say something like "what if it was from D4"...Would the controller still sit on his tongue and launch em anyway ?... But I thought that was little smart assy... ...BTW you can make your point without the disrespectful "CAPS" and "repeat"...This ain't FB....At least since the "like" button went away,,,I'm glad for that because I believe that the arrogance for some on here is directly proportional to the number of "likes" accumulated...B
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I was asking about the aircraft being on the runway, not the grass. For context, in case anyone's missed it, there is a published TORA distance for takeoff on 30L from D5, so the airport clearly expects that some aircraft will do this.
the ATC certainly knew the plane had PAX because it's a regular flight to Dusseldorf, the difference isn't a few meters but a kilometer, ATC may not be accountable for what happened but certainly morally responsible, some things are just clear without running any calculations
I think you will also find that there is more involved than the intersection they picked. The aircraft should have flown with the distance available. The aircraft is capable of accelerating to V1 and stopping in 4700 feet with a full load of people and fuel for 500 miles. There are other factors involved. I suspect they had an incorrect takeoff power setting as well as the incorrect runway Intersection.