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Old 27th Sep 2023, 08:19
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Originally Posted by bobbytables
removing them to reduce T/O weight, right?
If it was planned to fly the aircraft out, then removing the seats would indeed be a sensible thing to do.

If it was planned to abandon it and reduce it to spares, then removing the seats would still be a sensible thing to do.

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Old 27th Sep 2023, 11:22
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Does the Russian military really have no equivalent of PSP?

Note in Dave Reid's photo the wheels are standing on concrete pads so they are obviously concerned about bearing strength.

My guess is they'll roll the strip smooth, wait a couple of months until the ground is froxen solid and depart then.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 13:18
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I hope the undercarriage retracts on any attempted takeoff this time. https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/...t%20on%20fuel.
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 13:32
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Originally Posted by Revnetwork
I hope the undercarriage retracts on any attempted takeoff this time. https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/...t%20on%20fuel.
this is the latest of several explanations givenÖ but if they didnít know the gear was out then why did they fly the diversion at FL180 and slow (260kts ground speed on ADS-B)?
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Old 28th Sep 2023, 22:53
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Originally Posted by bobbytables
this is the latest of several explanations givenÖ but if they didnít know the gear was out then why did they fly the diversion at FL180 and slow (260kts ground speed on ADS-B)?
the term I believe is "obfuscation", a cousin to "deflection".

AI's FCOM has always been an opportunity for exploration in confusion, but, at TOC irrespective of the words of wisdom In the FCOM, does one not run a mental howgozit on fuel flow, fuel remaining and GS? Had one of the simple things that we used to do in planes, and still do in our cars not get done any more?

My current jets use instantaneous SAR and SGR to predict arrival status, which for all of the irritations that gives, it avoids overlooking the approaching "silence of the hams". A cross check at TOC gives an out to go to plan B, which doesn't involve planting in a wheat field. At least the airline won't be billed for crop damage, the field is as barren as Russia's promises.

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Old 29th Sep 2023, 05:33
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With only Green system fail you can land anywhere as planned except cannot raise the gear once it's down. And with 180%FPF you aren't going anywhere else. Crew didn't know gear was down? If they knew G had failed when it was lowered then they should know it. Only thing that's not known is was the crew qualified on A320?
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 16:19
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No problems with crushable RESA for the planned departure ....
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Old 29th Sep 2023, 20:19
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Yesterday in Ural Academy...
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 19:05
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Originally Posted by vilas
With only Green system fail you can land anywhere as planned except cannot raise the gear once it's down. And with 180%FPF you aren't going anywhere else. Crew didn't know gear was down? If they knew G had failed when it was lowered then they should know it. Only thing that's not known is was the crew qualified on A320?
Sorry, no first hand experience with this on an A320 (or any Airbus), but I've been on Boeing aircraft where we flew around with the gear down for one reason or another (test related). Even though most Boeing flight decks are somewhat noisier that Airbus, the noise made it perfectly obvious that the gear was down - you only need really need EICAS/lights to confirm they are locked, not down...
Is that not true with an A320?
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Old 30th Sep 2023, 21:27
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Bit of a speculation. Line crews commonly encounter L/G DN on tkof or g/a, where roaring engines are the loudest. No idea what the effect will be at 260 kts (but presume noisier). Devil is the noise being constant, from after the tkof/ga - thus perhaps not triggering any alert in the cognitive system if saturated already. It's not unheard of that in the SIM crews end up with the dunlops air ventilated far longer than they wished.

Not sure if the NW wheel bay doors were closed for these guys, might be another straw if so (more silent).

The awkward part is the lower EICAS, which either:
- shows a "STATUS" screen with listed inop items incl. "L/G RETRACT", or
- with L/G DN shows the "WHEEL" page with big green triangles (well, a common sight during standard final approach thus a short-circuited brain might wash that out)

The story leaks the most around the decision not to accept the first runway. I ran the numbers for ALD.
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Old 3rd Oct 2023, 15:37
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According to various sources, Ural Airlines has confirmed it is planning to fly the aircraft out of the field, following structural inspections and the removal of seats to reduce weight.

I'd include the sources as links but cannot post them yet, so they are: Aerotime, Aviation Source & @aviationbrk
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Old 3rd Oct 2023, 19:43
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Originally Posted by AeroAmigo
I'd include the sources as links but cannot post them yet, so they are: Aerotime, Aviation Source & @aviationbrk
Twitter thread on which the other two sources appear to be based:

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Old 4th Oct 2023, 12:36
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Russian A320 to attempt field takeoff

CONFIRMED: Ural Airlines to attempt A320 take-off from field (key.aero)
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Old 4th Oct 2023, 17:43
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I might be late to the party, is it clear yet whether the gears remained down or just the gear doors? I know little about the A320, but I can't imagine retraction is impossible with the failure of one hydraulic system?
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Old 4th Oct 2023, 19:25
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I wonder what sort of bonus the pilots are being offered for the attempt...
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Old 4th Oct 2023, 21:58
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I wish them a successful take off and flight to wherever they plan to go with the aircraft; I really do. But if I were in Vegas that's not the bet I'd make.
If I were the Director of Flight Operations, or Head of Safety, or CEO of Ural, I'd want a LOT of boxes ticked before I even considered, never mind approved, this venture. Some of those requirements may already have been met but I'm fairly certain that not all have.
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Old 5th Oct 2023, 08:58
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I wonder what sort of bonus the pilots are being offered for the attempt...
1000$ for each and there will be a queue of pilots wishing to do this. A320 captain in Russia makes 4000$ net per month maximum
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Old 5th Oct 2023, 09:17
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Originally Posted by Hawking
1000$ for each and there will be a queue of pilots wishing to do this. A320 captain in Russia makes 4000$ net per month maximum
did you miss a zero? If a bonus was paid for endangering your life [1], one week of pay seems unlikely to move the needle. Especially considering that $4k net per month is a very comfortable salary in Russia.

[1] IMO, if takeoff is indeed attempted, I doubt it will be as dangerous as some are suggesting. If they wanted to throw caution to the wind they could have attempted it already. With careful preparation of the aircraft and surface thereís no reason it canít be flown out of there.
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Old 5th Oct 2023, 09:26
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Wouldn't they risk ingesting half the tundra when spooling up?
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Old 5th Oct 2023, 10:20
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
Wouldn't they risk ingesting half the tundra when spooling up?
remove loose debris from the strip, compact it, maybe wait for ice. Or you could lay a temporary asphalt or metal-plank strip
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