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Old 21st Sep 2023, 10:21
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Wouldn't it be possible to just correlate measured actual fuel flow, whatever the actual drag might be, speed/distance and range prediction? Higher drag and shorter range could be expected, but wouldn't this be a great use of moving maps available in non-normal situations?
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Old 21st Sep 2023, 11:24
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Originally Posted by Magplug
So what we are saying is..... Not only did the crew incorrectly calculate the fuel required for a gear-down diversion to Novosibirsk, but they also incorrectly calculated the landing distance required with a G HYD failure at Omsk which precipitated the flawed diversion decision in the first place! They really did not do very well.
Presumably, they do not have access to Airbus Flysmart? Very simple with that to plug in failures and weather to compute LDR.

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Maybe Airbus will fix their parlance..........no idea if Airbus are providing this lot with the latest manuals anyway?
Same answer?
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 01:08
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Aircraft landed with 200kg of fuel, being prepared to fly out.

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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 15:08
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Well they've shut the doors and put covers on the engines, at least ...
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 15:13
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At least the nose gear is pointing in the correct direction again!
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Old 22nd Sep 2023, 22:20
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Originally Posted by megan
Aircraft landed with 200kg of fuel, being prepared to fly out.
I'm not sure flying the aircraft out is a great idea. And I'm not sure a thorough and proper risk assessment and resultant operational plan is in place. Having said that, best of luck to them.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 21:38
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A temporary runway should be possible, even if the ground is quite soft. If the damage is minimal I donít see why it canít make it out, and thereís precedent for such takeoffs.
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Old 23rd Sep 2023, 23:54
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Given Russian failures of late, I'm sure no expense will be spared to make sure this succeeds. The state media demands it. Maybe they could asphalt the cornfield.
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 09:56
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Just bring a couple of pilots from Aerosucre Colombia, experts at short field and overloaded T O.
Just google their track record.
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 11:41
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Is there a real problem with flying this aircraft out asuming
1 Its landing gear and engines have not been badly damaged
2 Hard enough surface and enough of it -
3 All grass and bushes etc cut down to stop FOD on the take off roll.
I imagine if they can flatten the take off path and wait until late Novermber -it will be frozen, they might screw up hi tech stuff but the Russians are usually pretty good at dealing with harsh environments as they have a lot of them
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Old 24th Sep 2023, 13:56
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Where there's a will, there's a way.

I'm just not convinced there's a will ...
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Old 25th Sep 2023, 17:07
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Where there's a will, there's a way.

I'm just not convinced there's a will ...
"Where there's a will, there's a wont'"

Old Suffolk saying I just made up
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 09:36
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Looks like they are getting ready...

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Old 26th Sep 2023, 12:31
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I wish them well ... but having watched grain trucks loaded with just 28 tonnes of grain (40+ tonnes GCM) progress across the field to the nearby road and observed the tyres sinking into the soil with just this load spread over five axles and twenty load bearing wheels, I'm nervous. The rolling resistance here could be quite serious.

Everything will depend on the pre-existing compaction of the 'runway' and how much real estate is available in a direction which provides a nice long into wind excursion. The wheel marks left on the landing run are notable, however it was loaded at that point. It should therefore be much lighter for an attempted departure, but this is offset to some degree by the weight of the fuel needed to get to an anticipated destination - assuming aviation can be achieved. I am sure all of this will be considered, and perhaps there is an intention to roll the working area to further compact the soil profile, One other issue is whether the remnant vegetation will remain sufficiently anchored to the surface not be ingested into the engines. It looks like it was a grain crop of some kind. 'Twill be interesting ....
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 14:39
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Originally Posted by bigjames
Looks like they are getting ready...

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Simply connecting a GPU could be for a number of reasons unrelated to imminent flight.
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 18:38
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Simply connecting a GPU could be for a number of reasons unrelated to imminent flight.
True, but it also suggests that they don't plan to leave it there or scrap it in-place.
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 21:22
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Originally Posted by tdracer
True, but it also suggests that they don't plan to leave it there or scrap it in-place.
Maybe not.

On the other hand, if I was going to start stripping out all the seats and interior, for example, I'd want some light to be able to see what I was doing.
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 21:49
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
Maybe not.

On the other hand, if I was going to start stripping out all the seats and interior, for example, I'd want some light to be able to see what I was doing.
removing them to reduce T/O weight, right?
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Old 26th Sep 2023, 21:50
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.......and how on earth do you heat the Samovar without a GPU?
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Old 27th Sep 2023, 00:02
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Roll the VR length flat, wait for it to freeze deep enough to support the gear and clear off the snow.
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