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Old 12th Sep 2023, 21:03
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Boohoo Moose, the thing is that you, among others, still don't quite get it do you! If US airlines want to declare "an emergency" when flying in the USA so be it. DAL was not flying in the USA but was in a foreign country whose national language is not English. Hence the need to adhere to international standards. Here we have a Russian airline flying a domestic sector inside Russia. They can say whatever their training dictates and no doubt it will be in Russian.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 22:53
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Some photos on BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66785897

Looks like the field was clear of crops.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 23:01
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ATC here.
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Old 12th Sep 2023, 23:22
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The case of diversion with increased fuel consumption is rarely catered to in flight planning, getting to half flaps with the gear down and having a failure which prevents further flap extension or retraction is quite possible. Out come the books and you find the runway isn’t long enough and with your new fuel flows you won’t make an airport with sufficient runway length.

Landing at the original airport and having an overrun with the emergency services in attendance would have been a better option compared to running out of fuel though.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 00:47
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Maybe Airbus should offer a gravel kit and a High Float Gear kit. Could then trade in the Kingair for the farm strip.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 02:32
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They've got the gear, you just need the gravel bit.



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Old 13th Sep 2023, 03:23
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New (for now) R/T [rus lng]
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 04:58
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Wonder if they try to fly the A320 out of this field. The used airplane market in Russia today may be a lot different. Is there grass field take off performance data in the POH? FUD will be a big concern.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 05:24
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Already chopped up?

Originally Posted by visibility3miles
Some photos on BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66785897

Looks like the field was clear of crops.
The same article claims:

A video on social media showed a heavy digger then dismembering the plane, lopping off the cockpit, tail and wings to more easily remove the plane from the field.

Either the BBC fell for the prior video or the investigation won't have much to go on in finding the cause of the hydraulics failure. Even if the plane was an obvious write-off, wouldn't taking it apart a bit more carefully improve the quality and quantity of the spare parts that will be harvested?
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 07:28
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I guess they could build a temporary runway, which would be an interesting military exercise. It would only need to be around 4000ft for a near empty aircraft.

In any case the pilots should have used superior judgement to not need their superior landing skills...
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 08:15
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Why divert?

Quick FlySmart calculation with an A320 CEO ldg (without knowing the actual weather/conditions at OMSK), assuming 10 kts tailwind, temp 15, QNH 1000, and RCC 5/5/5 (wet) at MLW 64.5 tons, with Green system reservoir lo lvl, gives an actual landing distance of 2148 meters.

There must be more to this story, or why on earth would they even contemplating diversion? A single hyd. failure on the 320 is not a great concern at all.

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Old 13th Sep 2023, 09:31
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Originally Posted by shared reality
There must be more to this story, or why on earth would they even contemplating diversion? A single hyd. failure on the 320 is not a great concern at all.
Pressure from the airline to bring the aircraft back to an airport with a maintenance facility?
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by EDLB
Wonder if they try to fly the A320 out of this field.
I very much doubt it - in fact I wouldn't be surprised if they simply remove the useful bits and leave the hulk in situ.

FUD will be a big concern.
Yes - Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt shouldn't be underestimated ...
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 12:56
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I am not an airbus pilot so can't verify latest report on that incident. Rumor is that they misunderstood fcom. FCOM states that you need 180% of extra fuel ,but they just multiplied it by 1.8
Silly mistake but incredible luck.
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Old 13th Sep 2023, 14:07
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Originally Posted by Luray
I am not an airbus pilot so can't verify latest report on that incident. Rumor is that they misunderstood fcom. FCOM states that you need 180% of extra fuel ,but they just multiplied it by 1.8
Silly mistake but incredible luck.
That still does not explain why they barely made it half way to Novosibirsk, unless they were already close to minimum fuel before their aborted landing at Omsk.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 00:37
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180% of extra fuel on top of what the original fuel to divert is a lot. If divert fuel was 2000 kgs, it’s now 5600 kgs (correct me if I’m wrong). If you don’t have it, you don’t have it.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 10:09
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Originally Posted by Magplug
Any crew that runs a jet out of gas dealing with an emergency should be thrown in jail as incompetent. Landing with no gear at the original destination would have been better than making a forced landing in a field. Had the transit been over water the outcome would have been totally different. Even a brand new FO could tell you that the FMC fuel predictions are nonsense with the gear down.

Was it really a good idea to gravity drop the gear before deciding that going elsewhere to a longer runway was a better course of action? Leaving 2500m of runway behind you in favour of 3600m at Novosibirsk and then running out of gas only half way there is supremely incompetent.

Edit: Can't spell!
Couldn't say it any better!
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 13:45
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Temporary Runway...?

I seem to remember at a similar off-piste landing, it was possible to make a temporary runway to remove a stranded airplane. Can anyone come up with the details...?
There are reports that this aircraft has suffered a broken Nose-Wheel Strut, which might require a repair.
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Old 14th Sep 2023, 13:49
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Originally Posted by scifi
I seem to remember at a similar off-piste landing, it was possible to make a temporary runway to remove a stranded airplane. Can anyone come up with the details...?
There are reports that this aircraft has suffered a broken Nose-Wheel Strut, which might require a repair.
You could be thinking of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TACA_Flight_110
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Old 15th Sep 2023, 05:31
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This one, I think...

Mexican Pilot Emergency Lands Plane At Mallow Racecourse, Ireland 1983


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