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Old 20th Mar 2019, 10:15
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Originally Posted by Gurnard
The aircraft concerned - Eclipse EA500 N531EA became 2-JEZA.
An attempt to cover the traces??
I was wondering where that AC went. It was a busy little bird, flying daily even through the middle of winter. And then suddenly dropped off of flight radar after the accident. That explains it.
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Originally Posted by korrol
Yes . Here is the list of flights which are being investigated by the Air Charter Association :-
  • 5 December 2018 - Flight from Stapleford in Essex to Nantes - carrying Cardiff City manager Neil Warnock, assistant manager Kevin Blackwell, Willie McKay and Mark McKay to see Emiliano Sala play against Marseilles
  • 6 December - party returns from Nantes to Cardiff. Both flights made on G-KARE, operated by Surrey-based Flexifly Aircraft Hire Ltd
  • 8 January 2019 - Flight from Cardiff to Nantes - carrying Neil Warnock, Cardiff City player liaison Callum Davies, Willie and Mark McKay to meet Sala and his agent. They're flown back to Cardiff the same day. On N531EA, owned by Guernsey-based Channel Jets
  • 14 January - Sala's agent, Meissa N'Diaye, flown from Paris to Nantes. N'Diaye and Sala are flown from Nantes to Cardiff to have a look around the Cardiff City Stadium, returning to Nantes the same day. N'Diaye is then flown back to Paris. All flights made on N843TE - owned by Channel Jets
  • 18 January - Sala flies from Nantes to Cardiff for a medical and to sign his contract with Cardiff City. Via Channel Jets in N531EA. Sala's agent N'Diaye - who has travelled to Cardiff for the signing via a commercial flight - flown back to Paris by Lord George Porchester in his own aircraft, N14EF
  • 19 January - Sala flown back to Nantes by David Ibbotson on N264DB to bid farewell to his Nantes team-mates and make personal arrangements. Mr Ibbotson books into a hotel to await the return leg of the journey - on 21 January - to deliver Sala back to Cardiff for his first training session
  • 21 January - the flight leaves Nantes at 19:15 and disappears from radar around an hour into the journey.
I'm sure that they are aware already. But just a reminder that cost sharing is not legal on complex aircraft as per EASA regs.
So therefore, no cost sharing on any of the jets listed here.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 09:03
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Complex aircraft?

PA46 and PC12 are not complex aircraft.

The term ‘complex motor-powered aircraft’ is defined in Regulation (EC) No 216/2008 as follows:

“‘complex motor-powered aircraft’ shall mean:

(i) an aeroplane:
  • with a maximum certificated take-off mass exceeding 5700 kg, or
  • certificated for a maximum passenger seating configuration of more than nineteen, or
  • certificated for operation with a minimum crew of at least two pilots, or
  • equipped with (a) turbojet engine(s) or more than one turboprop engine, or
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 12:19
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FAA rules are wobbly prop, wobbly gear and flaps. It's a tad more detailed than that (!) but them's the basics.

So a Piper Arrow is complex.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:21
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Australia follows the same rules Sam.

Retractable undercarriage and variable pitch prop ratings seem logical to me.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 16:28
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BTW EASA is an Agency; FAA is an Administration and CAA is an Authority.

Sad I know but I thought I'd mention it
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With regard to the Cardiff City incident this story gets more bizzare by the day.

This from the Guardian.

Willie McKay, who is no longer registered as a football agent but helped his son Mark complete the ill-fated Sala transfer, has been the subject of an investigation by South Wales police over claims he threatened to kill staff at the Premier League club in a dispute about who is liable for damages following the death of Sala in a plane crash
In a brief statement the Welsh force said the investigation “has been transferred to the Metropolitan police service”.

It is understood at least one of the alleged threats has been claimed to have occurred in London and that was confirmed in a statement from the Metropolitan police on Thursday.

“We] have received an allegation of a possible public order offence that took place at Kendall Street, W2 on Friday 22 February,” a spokesperson said. “Officers from central area command unit are investigating. No arrests have been made at this time.”

Kendall Street is in an upmarket part of London north of Hyde Park and 22 February was six days after Sala’s funeral in Argentina.
https://www.theguardian.com/football...f-staff-claims

Apart from the ill fated Malibu another N reg Malibu was also involved in the saga.

After Sala had signed up to play for Cardiff City, his agent Mr N'Diaye was flown back to Nantes on 18 January by Lord George Porchester, who flies his own Piper Malibu plane under the company name Altaclara.

The son of the Earl of Caernarfon, whose family seat is used as a filming location for TV's Downton Abbey, he holds a private pilot's licence.

As the plane is registered in the US, it cannot be flown commercially in Europe and Lord Porchester can only fly passengers in the EU on a cost-sharing basis, not for reward.

Lord Porchester has told BBC Wales he flew Mr N'Diaye as a "favour" for Willie McKay and did not receive any payment for the flight.

"I've got my own aircraft and I flew that flight," he said. "There was no financial arrangement at all with anyone, it was a private flight."

He added: "I've been pulled into this because I've done someone a favour."
The BBC Wales website also has the following facts.

  • 18 January - Sala flies from Nantes to Cardiff for a medical and to sign his contract with Cardiff City. Via Channel Jets in N531EA. Sala's agent Mr N'Diaye - who has travelled to Cardiff for the signing via a commercial flight - flown back to Paris by Lord George Porchester in his own aircraft, N14EF
  • 19 January - Sala flown back to Nantes by David Ibbotson on N264DB to bid farewell to his Nantes team-mates and make personal arrangements. Mr Ibbotson books into a hotel to await the return leg of the journey - on 21 January - to deliver Sala back to Cardiff for his first training session
  • 21 January - The flight leaves Nantes at 19:15 and disappears from radar around an hour into the journey.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-47626855

N14EF is registered in Wilmington Deleware to Altaclara Aviation.

The same company with Lord Porchester at the helm is registered in the UK.
Their company description contains the following;

Renting and leasing of air passenger transport equipment
See https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...05530/officers
















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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:30
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Originally Posted by Air Snoop
BTW EASA is an Agency; FAA is an Administration and CAA is an Authority.

Sad I know but I thought I'd mention it
All of them according to ICAO are Competent Authorities. More sad.
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 17:33
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Altclara Aviation was only formed 11 months ago and appears to have only one US registered aircraft.

I will be surpised if they are operating it for public transport without all the necessary documentation.



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Old 21st Mar 2019, 18:37
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...nonetheless I can find nothing for this George Herbert (Lord Porchester fellow DOB 13 Oct 92) on the FAA database. It seems likely we have another illegal flight as he would require an FAA licence to fly his N reg outside the UK. There is a George E Herbert but wrong DOB.
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Originally Posted by oggers
...nonetheless I can find nothing for this George Herbert (Lord Porchester fellow DOB 13 Oct 92) on the FAA database. It seems likely we have another illegal flight as he would require an FAA licence to fly his N reg outside the UK. There is a George E Herbert but wrong DOB.
Plenty on him.
Try, Jules Thin Crust Limited Company number 09880949:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...80949/officers

And : https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3455471.html

And when he is not pulling lager or two and slapping Manuel around the kitchen, he might be taking a few of his diners on a jolley in his kite.

Here is a picture of him:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-a3455471.html
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Old 21st Mar 2019, 21:48
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BBC Wales website (referred to earlier) identifies G-KARE as one aircraft connected with these activities.

"The plane they flew on - a Pilatus PC-12 single engine aircraft with the registration G-KARE - is operated by a company called Flexifly Aircraft Hire Limited, based in Surrey and linked to a care home provider."

Company details identify Dr. Karen Graham as a director, thus the registration probably relates to her name. She appears also to be connected with Graham Care Ltd.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 08:04
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George Porchester also I believe owned and flew the Pa32 that was damaged at Haydock Park last year when struck by a landing Baron G-BYDY, jockeys and trainers involved - more of the same perhaps
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Originally Posted by Gurnard
BBC Wales website (referred to earlier) identifies G-KARE as one aircraft connected with these activities.

"The plane they flew on - a Pilatus PC-12 single engine aircraft with the registration G-KARE - is operated by a company called Flexifly Aircraft Hire Limited, based in Surrey and linked to a care home provider."

Company details identify Dr. Karen Graham as a director, thus the registration probably relates to her name. She appears also to be connected with Graham Care Ltd.
I understand it is dry leased so therefore it is down to the pilot or lessee to satisfy the requirements for anything other than private operation.

N88NA which was struck by a landing Beech Baron at Haydock Park is registered to Southern Air Consultancy at Bungay in Suffolk as was the Malibu in the Sala accident.
Any idea who was flying it that day?





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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 09:19
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Plenty on him.
But no FAA licence for flying N reg internationally is the point. I am not interested in his media presence.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 12:03
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So in flying Sala, McKay has no role in selecting the aircraft or pilot. In flying Sala’s agent he must have been very active in selecting aircraft and pilot because he asked a mate to fly him for free as a favour. Credibility is stretched to breaking point.
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Old 22nd Mar 2019, 13:05
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Originally Posted by Baron57
PA46 and PC12 are not complex aircraft.

The term ‘complex motor-powered aircraft’ is defined in Regulation (EC) No 216/2008 as follows:

“‘complex motor-powered aircraft’ shall mean:

(i) an aeroplane:
  • with a maximum certificated take-off mass exceeding 5700 kg, or
  • certificated for a maximum passenger seating configuration of more than nineteen, or
  • certificated for operation with a minimum crew of at least two pilots, or
  • equipped with (a) turbojet engine(s) or more than one turboprop engine, or
That is why I said jets. The two aircraft you listed are not jets.
The N registed Eclipse jets however....
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Old 25th Mar 2019, 20:03
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Cardiff refuse to pay transfer fee; https://news.sky.com/story/emiliano-...-fifa-11674924
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15 million on the line and a load of grey area cowboys in the mix.... if it wasn't for two people dead it would be entertaining.
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Which means Nantes FC short of 15m, Sala`s beneficiaries are short of the tfr fee which would have been due to the player and his future earnings from a promising career. A tragic loss of lives and a financial catastrophe and for what, saving a pittance in cost of flying from A to B. Or was it for convenience, It must be said that had such a convenience not been available then the likelihood of the event would have been considerably less.
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